The shot i refer to is applying left or right english on the cue even in a dead straight 6 inches away from the pocket I miss. What can i possibly be doing wrong or im shifting aim incorrectly an strking the object ball where i think im suppose to but dont. Any input appreciated....thanks...
I need advice on these type of shots obviously im doing something wrong.
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Well, clearly your offaxis.
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Seriously though, sounds stroke related, but that's just a guess.
I suggest search youtube for videos on bhe or back hand english. Useful tool to have in the bag....especially for short shots.
I suggest search youtube for videos on bhe or back hand english. Useful tool to have in the bag....especially for short shots.
There are a few factors to consider: speed at which you're hitting the ball, the squirt of the cueball, and aim point. If you have a low deflection shaft, squirt would be minimal. Still, if you're using a lot of english, you have to change you're aim because you're spinning the object ball in. But if you're hammering the ball at a fast speed, the spin wouldn't be too much of a factor--but the squirt would be.
But who knows...thats how I see it.
But who knows...thats how I see it.
When one applies english, the tip of the cue is off of the center of the cue ball (CB). When the tip is off of center of the CB, the CB will be sent at an angle (slight) that is opposite of the side that the cue tip impacts the CB. This will negate the anticipated english you thought you were applying.
If you want to apply right english to the CB by impacting/hitting the CB on the right side of the CB to spin the CB counter clockwise in order to throw the object ball (OB) to the left - or to spin/send the CB to the right when it hits a rail to get shape/position. if you impact the CB too hard, you will get squirt - that negates some of the anticipated english/throw effect.
If I didn't lose you by now; one needs to aim a bit more to the right of the OB to compensate for the squirt (to the left) when applying the same amount of right english on the CB.
Moving the tip of the cue further to the right of the CB to try to compensate for what is happening, applies more squirt that negates the english one is trying to apply. As said, your initial aim/stroke must be, a bit, further to the right of the OB when applying the intended english.
Words and terms that must be understood get in the way of the message.
I hope this helps.
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The best way to get a feel for English is to shoot shots like these and just get the cue ball to come off the rail as shown. Hit the cue ball a l.ittle below center and a half tip to a full tip of "outside" english. Outside is left english to cut the ball to the right and right to cut the ball to the left.
After you do this for awhile, you'll get the feeling of throwing the ball into the hole with spin. Stay down there with the shot and stroke the cue ball as you would any other shot, just off-center.
There is a sensation of "gearing" the object ball toward the pocket instead of aiming it into the pocket. Try this for an hour or so, sleep on it, and try it again and see if you don't have a feel for it.
When I first started playing pool, the moment I started to feel the sensation of throwing the object ball into the hole is when I started becoming addicted to the game.
Chris
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If you are shooting a cut shot to the left with right english from three feet away and you hit it hard you have to adjust your aim a little to the right of where you would aim normally.
If you are shooting the same shot slow you have to aim a little to the left of where you would aim without english. Fuller they say.
If you are hitting medium speed or somewhere around that there is a point where you don't have to change the aim at all.
If you are using Back hand English you can aim more at where you usually aim but I found that if you are using BHE on a soft shot you still have to aim fuller at the object ball because the curve will happen still.
If you are shooting off the rail don't use the English as much but if you have to then aim even fuller than normal because the cue ball will curve even more. Same with shooting over another ball.
If you are shooting the same shot slow you have to aim a little to the left of where you would aim without english. Fuller they say.
If you are hitting medium speed or somewhere around that there is a point where you don't have to change the aim at all.
If you are using Back hand English you can aim more at where you usually aim but I found that if you are using BHE on a soft shot you still have to aim fuller at the object ball because the curve will happen still.
If you are shooting off the rail don't use the English as much but if you have to then aim even fuller than normal because the cue ball will curve even more. Same with shooting over another ball.
Check out these Joe Tucker videos on Dr. Dave's website. I think they will help:
http://billiards.colostate.edu/normal_videos/new/NVB-24.htm
I was wondering the same exact thing.
Regardless, when doing so, you need to compensate for cue ball squirt and throw.
I can only asume hes trying to cheat the pocket and thrown the cue ball which makes the shot that much more difficult.
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Side spin has consequences.
A) when the CB with sidespin impacts a stationary OB, the OB does not head off in the geometrical direction. THis phenomonom is known as throw.
B) when you hit the CB off center in order to impart side spin, the CB does not roll down the geometrical line. THis phenomonom is known as squirt.
C) When the CB with sidespin gains forward roll as it heads down the cloth before impact, it will change direction in a slow arc. THis phenomonom is known as swerve.
In order to use sidespin and pot balls, you have to understand the three effects, and compensate for the bad effects with the choice of line.
I can move an OB at center spot a full diamond by the time it meets the rail with sidespin alone. So when I use sidespin, I have to choose the point of contact such that the OB heads towards the pocket.
If your still here, which side of the pocket are you missing on a straight-in -shot when using right english (right or left?) and which side using left english (right or left)?
First of all, you should not be using english with a straight-in shot.
Assuming your aim and stroke are good (if not, see aiming and stroke), you are probably not compensating for squirt, swerve, and/or throw (which come with using english). For more info and video demonstrations, see:
Regards,
Dave
Thanks for the responses....Reason i was told to apply left english I was trying to get position on the next ball which was on the left hand pocket the other way down the table. Trying to bank the ball off the rail after the shot went in....
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