Well, I'm just a bum, a pool room bum. But my vCash is on westjer.
I need to unload
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Jack Flanagan said:
I taught school also.
You know, you just can't change your experience. My experience is just that......my experience. And based on your experience you learn to deal with situations and analyze things differently than someone that doesn't have your experience.
And I can be completely wrong about any given situation. Don't care. Because it's impossible to be right about all of them anyway.
So, based on my experience, I have a way of doing things that maximizes my results. I'll lose some.......but win more.
The day to day grind of cleaning, marketing, paying the bills, meeting your obligations, hiring employees, payroll, stocking the shelves etc, etc, becomes the business of the businessman. Of course, problems always arise and you get to deal with them also. Problems from minors getting alcohol, to drunks, to employees not showing up for work to customers complaining to customers fighting etc, etc, etc. Seems no end to it.
Not complaining. It is my life and it provides a nice living. But, the sum total is just let me be right 51% of the time and I'll be successful. And, with that who cares about the other 49%.
I also believe there will be a day when political correctness is out of style.
nfty9er said:
Yes, I am VERY interested in where you alleged Pool Rooms are and who exactly YOU are. You give NO information about yourself on your profile but proclaim to wear many hats in this industry.
Teacherman said:
Your whats wrong with pool. People like you who have zero respect for the players and only care about the almighty dollar. We dont need people like you anywhere near this sport or in our message boards where we try to improve the sports future, go sell your pool hall/bar and count your money and leave this sport to people who actually care.
Teacherman said:
You would be surprised at my extreme lack of surprise then because you sound like you dont give two shits about the players or the game. From your posts and attitude so far I would be shocked if you took the "players" side of things.
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Your last line explains your position very well.
There is a huge difference between the game and the players playing the game.
Many many players have little respect for the game and the business of pool.
They have one goal. Get the money.
Example 1. The best players in the world can not cooperate enough to allow someone to form a professional tour. Why? No one wants to be the football players of the 50's and 60's. No one wants to lay the ground work. They all want the money..........NOW.
Example 2. Ever play pool league? What is the goal of almost every league player..........The goal is to hide their ability. Keep their handicap low. Why? They want the money. Little to no interest in becoming a better player by the vast majority of them. They simply want the handicaps to make them more competitive. Practice?...me? Hard work?.....me? Those that do want to get better don't want anyone to know it.
Example 3. Go to a pool room you've never been to before. Notice the guys staring at you, guaging your speed. See how long it takes for someone to ask you to play for money.
The talk about gambling in pool rooms is a little silly. I see very little gambling and a whole lot of stealing.
And you think the game is in good hands with these people? Are these people showing respect for the game?
There is a huge difference between the game and the players playing the game.
Many many players have little respect for the game and the business of pool.
They have one goal. Get the money.
Example 1. The best players in the world can not cooperate enough to allow someone to form a professional tour. Why? No one wants to be the football players of the 50's and 60's. No one wants to lay the ground work. They all want the money..........NOW.
Example 2. Ever play pool league? What is the goal of almost every league player..........The goal is to hide their ability. Keep their handicap low. Why? They want the money. Little to no interest in becoming a better player by the vast majority of them. They simply want the handicaps to make them more competitive. Practice?...me? Hard work?.....me? Those that do want to get better don't want anyone to know it.
Example 3. Go to a pool room you've never been to before. Notice the guys staring at you, guaging your speed. See how long it takes for someone to ask you to play for money.
The talk about gambling in pool rooms is a little silly. I see very little gambling and a whole lot of stealing.
And you think the game is in good hands with these people? Are these people showing respect for the game?
nfty9er said:
I'm not sure how your police and firefighting experience trumps my pool room experience in this discussion, but you should be the first to acknowledge that the police don't care if it's 1 second after closing time. If they want to give you a citation they will.
You should recall that I said I would've let him shoot the ball, but there are examples when I wouldn't have.
With much at stake, I have to protect myself. A previous poster mentioned the police at his door 2-3 nights per week. The police are in my parking lot almost daily. And I'm glad they are there. I do not give my employees any liberty on closing time. If I'm there, I can read the situation and maybe make an exception. They can not. Experience tells me there is no way to clear a pool room in 10 minutes.
One of my pool rooms is in this position every night. The people must leave by 2:00a. Getting them out on time is a challenge that sometimes takes attitude. The other pool room, just the alcohol has to be picked up. People can continue to play. Either way. The deadline is the deadline. It takes a few minutes to clear the room or pick up the alcohol. We are not going to ask a policeman for a favor. Or a mulligan. We are going to abide by the law.
If last call was missed that's is our fault. But, missed or not, everyone has to leave. NOW.
And if you think joe's $400 opportunity is more important to me than my business license you are misinformed.
BTW, you know what happens if the gambling is discovered? Who gets in trouble? How does the room owner feel if the next morning he's greeted by a policeman with a citation all because his manager didn't get the room closed on time? Who walks away scot free? Who gets to pay the piper?
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Teacherman said:
i don't want to get in the middle of this, i think its a stupid and pointless argument...........but i think that nifty sad something about being a room owner for 30 years............i think thats what he meant about having more experience.
ok i've said that................no everyone comence to arguing again
I see it now vapoolplayer. My bad.
What I can guarantee from what he said is we both call our businesses pool rooms but they are completely different businesses.
I owned one of his kind when I first started. Then I graduated.
Kind of miss the old place.
What I can guarantee from what he said is we both call our businesses pool rooms but they are completely different businesses.
I owned one of his kind when I first started. Then I graduated.
Kind of miss the old place.
Keith Rudman
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Face it Teacherman, you're just a wannabe. You wannabe everything, you have done everything, you know everything. You are a self proclaimed "Teacher" all you have shown is bad manners and poor sportsmanship with a touch of bigotry. You have succeeded in making a fool of yourself and pissing off some of the nicest people on this forum. From your actions, the people of this forum will not take you seriously and now are considered the village idiot. You were asked several times to identify yourself but you choose to hide behind your wannabe name and ignore the request.
There are so many here that own pool halls, but we are never told what hall and where it is.
Aren't we proud enough of them to name them, or are the guys making the comments not the best ambassadors?
Dave
Aren't we proud enough of them to name them, or are the guys making the comments not the best ambassadors?
Dave
I choose to remain anonymous. If you don't like my posts, ignore them.
But they are truthful.
I stand by my comments that we don't have the full story.
westjer
encourage the manager to post her thoughts here.
But they are truthful.
I stand by my comments that we don't have the full story.
westjer
encourage the manager to post her thoughts here.
Teacherman said:
The only valid point you have made is regarding the fines/citations. That's it. To think that gambling will stop in your pool hall or anywhere else is foolish.
Rickw has provided more insight in this thread than you probably can provide here, because I think you already ruined your rep/credibility, not that you care, I'm sure....
I think you stepped on your **** and can't admit it by automatically jumping onto the initial poster.
Just my thoughts. I'm also curious to know where you are from as well.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Keith Rudman
Registered
You choose to remain anonymous because you are a full of sh$t blow hard. You are a compulsive liar, you think you know it all and apparently have sociopath tendencies. You are on this forum way too much to be holding any type of job. If you had these so called pool rooms, they would take up your all of time where you would not be on this forum arguing your insane theories with the people on this site.
Teacherman said:
You can't stand by your comments anonymously. By definition, it's impossible. In order to stand by your comments, something has to be at stake -- such as your reputation. Nothing is at stake if you are anonymous. Your reputation isn't on the line. You've stood by nothing. Just pointing out "the truth" since you seem very fond of that.
The situation
When I was playing pool alot I knew the situation usually of the place I went to about the gambling and way it is ran, good information to have. Not saying that you can always get it though, but usually I knew something. I have been in both types of establishments and there are so many variables why it could've happened and what not, that I would go to the owner and ask for a explaination. That would give the true answer to how things are. If it was just the manager and not the owners directive it would be fair to the poolroom to post the explaination here. But until that part of this is done, i cannot see how you could make a true evaluation of the room in question. But that is just what I would do.
My .02 Cents,
Kevin
When I was playing pool alot I knew the situation usually of the place I went to about the gambling and way it is ran, good information to have. Not saying that you can always get it though, but usually I knew something. I have been in both types of establishments and there are so many variables why it could've happened and what not, that I would go to the owner and ask for a explaination. That would give the true answer to how things are. If it was just the manager and not the owners directive it would be fair to the poolroom to post the explaination here. But until that part of this is done, i cannot see how you could make a true evaluation of the room in question. But that is just what I would do.
My .02 Cents,
Kevin
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Most of you make it sound like it's job #1 for a pool room to provide a safe haven for gambling.
I have nothing against it. I've done it. Do it. But don't expect me to care about your game.
If there is some jelly....well....you'll get to shoot the 9.
But short of that I close when I close. Deal with it.
I have nothing against it. I've done it. Do it. But don't expect me to care about your game.
If there is some jelly....well....you'll get to shoot the 9.
But short of that I close when I close. Deal with it.
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If you are referring to my post I made no such claim. I simply meant that when I gambled I usually took it upon myself to educate myself about the room. As I stated before alot of time you don't think that deeply, but I have had too much experience playing in different places to not think like this going in. It is the players job to find out what kind of room they are in, but in some spur of the moment situation stuff happens. I never took much personal, I just learned and went on.
Kevin
Kevin
Teacherman said: