I saw a player cheat........

floppybear said:
I would think it would be the fault of the other player being non-attentive of the game. It was his fault not looking at the cue ball. The old man just took advantage of the situation. When money is involved it changes the whole scenerio.
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When money is involved cheating is ok if the opponent isn't watching EVERY second of the game.....C'MON :(

If you feel fine doing it, well, not only do I not want to play pool with or against you, I don't want to know or deal with you in any way!! Why not grab something off a food cart in the park when the attendant isn't looking? I mean, it is his fault for not looking right? It keeps your MONEY in your pocket, and fills the belly too. Win, win for you..........
 
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Fatboy said:
Never ,I mean ever get involved in a game that your not playing in. There is no good ending if you do. Just make a mental note of it and move on. :smile: Of all the bad things I have done ion my life I never cheated on a pool game. I dumped once(stupidest thing I did in pool) but never cheated once.
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I dump on my stake horse all the time, too bad I am my only stake horse:D :D I was playing 200 a game one pocket one time and I went to the restroom and I stopped to see if my opponent was going to make a tough shot and he did not know I was watching and just raked the balls to the end and started racking for the next game. I went to the bathroom and when I came back I said, I guess you ran out, and he said yes. I did not say anything I just stepped up my game and took him off for 1200. Karma is a beeeoootch:p :p

Truck, you did the right thing, not getting involved, karma will get that dude.

Merry Christmas everyone.

-don
 
Yes the guy should have been paying attention, but to lay all of the responsibility on him as if his opponent didn't do anything wrong just doesn't make any sense. Last I checked cheating is specifically against the rules at any time, whether an opponent is paying attention or not. While I don't think it is anybody's place to speak up and potentially alter the course of that specific game (since he did have an obligation to pay attention but missed it), I still think he should be informed later in the match or after the match that the guy is a cheat (for future reference if nothing else).

Those that said they would handle it differently based on whether or not they know the guy (unfortunately I've been guilty of it too), ask yourself why? It really shouldn't make any difference whether you know the person or not. Right and wrong don't change based on whether or not you know the person that was affected. If it is the right thing to do to tell your friend, then it is the right thing to do to tell the stranger.
 
I'd stay out of it. It could end up ruining your night or weekend. At the very most if that guy is going to get a beer, then go up there and get one as well and tell him to watch out for that guy cuz "you've heard that he is a known cheat".

Outside of that I wouldn't bother with it and I definitely wouldn't bother playing that guy under any conditions. If he'll cheat a shot, then he'll cheat a bet.

*edit* On a side note it is quite a amazing what someone will do for $20. My view is that my character and my word are priceless and there is no amount of money that will make me cheat that.
 
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gunzby said:
I'd stay out of it. It could end up ruining your night or weekend. At the very most if that guy is going to get a beer, then go up there and get one as well and tell him to watch out for that guy cuz "you've heard that he is a known cheat".

Outside of that I wouldn't bother with it and I definitely wouldn't bother playing that guy under any conditions. If he'll cheat a shot, then he'll cheat a bet.

*edit* On a side note it is quite a amazing what someone will do for $20. My view is that my character and my word are priceless and there is no amount of money that will make me cheat that.
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Unfortunately this could happen at any time to any of us. I did run into the opponent at the men's room later and told him his opponent fouled earlier and he missed it. I suggested that he pay closer attention. He appreciated it and no fights ensued.

Ray
 
Bigtruck said:
Unfortunately this could happen at any time to any of us. I did run into the opponent at the men's room later and told him his opponent fouled earlier and he missed it. I suggested that he pay closer attention. He appreciated it and no fights ensued.

Ray
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It most certainly could. The term "keep your eye on the ball" comes to mind when playing for money.
 
If I saw it and knew the other player I would say to him, hey...keep your eyes open and leave it at that.

and I might say something to the other fella later on.
 
Remember the old saying "IF YOU SNOOZE YOU LOSE", thats sounds like what happened. As a bystander you see a lot more than the players at the table, shooting the wrong ball, wrong english, safety's, fouls, and etc. It took me a while to learn this in my younger days, that you need to concentrate as much on your opponents shooting as yours.You will learn his weakness and his integrity. I've watched a lot of hustles in my times and having someone distracting your opponent (talk, laughing, and cutting up) is a big move when your gambling.

But you never get involved unless its your money.
 
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Ain't involved and I ain't gonna get involved!

(At least, during the match. Might say something later depending on who the players are.)

You did the right thing, Ray!

Stones<<<would rather have a root canal than play a known cheat.
 
A couple of people have mentioned Karma. I don't think karma has anything to do with it. I think if the right opportunity arises to tell the opponent what the guy did (either later or during a break or something), then that is a good thing to do. If you don't say anything, it's not bad karma. You can still wonder what to do with the info but not have a chance to say anything. That doesn't mean for bad karma.

You did the right thing, Ray!

I can safely say if you knew the guy or had a chance to tell him, you would have. You heart is in the right spot.
 
Never, Ever, get involved in someone elses game. For all you know the other guy may have cheated the cheater five times before and you never saw that.

Never, Ever, get involved in someone elses game.
 
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CharlieHustle said:
Never, Ever, get involved in someone elses game. For all you know the other guy may have cheated the cheater five times before and you never saw that.

Never, Ever, get involved in someone elses game.
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Doesn't matter. If I see someone cheating, their opponent WILL get a heads-up to pay attention from me.

Just because someone cheats you doesn't make it ok for you to cheat them. ;)

Ray
 
poolplayer2093 said:
What?

you know just because the guy cheated that one game doesn't mean he's going to be ahead at the end of the night. who knows, maybe the guy knows the cheater's cheating and didn't say anything because he knows that'll kill his action. the cheater might go off to the guy, then telling him would cheat him out of more money than that 1 game
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It's funny that you would post this.

Years ago I used to play with a fellow that was not up to my skill level and I had a regular game with him. I would at times take a bathroom or a smoke break just to let him rearrange the balls on the table. The games he would win by doing this was just enough for him to continue playing me.
People would try to warn me about it and I would just quietly nod to them.

Funny think was that they used to call him Preacher.
If I saw this happen to someone else I would just stay out of it.
 
Ray, I don't know the history between them two. I would just stay out of it, if I were you. That opponent isn't the nicest guy in town, FYI. BTW, I was there when that happened.
 
Dragon Cue said:
Ray, I don't know the history between them two. I would just stay out of it, if I were you. That opponent isn't the nicest guy in town, FYI. BTW, I was there when that happened.
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You were in Pennsylvania? I would've said hello if I saw you!

Ray
 
definitely stay out of it. nothing good can happen if u intervene. it would be your word against his as to whether or not it was going to scratch. all he has to say is that he was much closer to the cueball and could see it wasnt going to scratch and u wouldnt be able to say anything since u were at least a table away from him. or he can just say that it was going to scratch and he tapped it to stop the ball and get ready for the re-rack. since u cant prove that it was going to scratch, theres no point getting involved.
 
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Bigtruck said:
I was playing some 9 ball with a man for cheap and another match was playing on the next table for $20 a rack I think.

I looked over and the older Man, maybe in his 60's made the 9 ball.The cue ball traveled 2 rails long ways and was heading straight in the corner pocket. His opponent had turned his back and the man knocked the cue ball away to the rail!!!

He may have "gotten away" with it, but I lost all respect for him. Should I have alerted the other player that his opponent had cheated? Or just stay out of it?

I stayed out of, because the player should've been paying attention. I didn't feel good about it though. BAD Karma!!

Ray
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Was I there?
 
Lol

rack'em zach'em said:
Was I there?
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No it wasn't Ronnie Allen Zach. LOL. But his non-stop talking was starting to get on my nerves too!

See you Saturday.

Ray
 
Ray, If it were a friend of mine, I woud find some way to let them know their opponent was cheating them. In the future if this man was setting up a game, I would let his opponent know before the match that he is a cheater.
 
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