I Want Sigel vs Schmidt 14.1
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sjm said:
SJM,
You are so right! I always seem to forget about Hopkins when I mention the best in America nowadays. Even though I think the world of him (http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=91741&highlight=Hopkins) I seem to think of him as retired now, even though he DOES still play in assorted tournaments. That is a glaring error on my part and I'm grateful that you were knowledgeable enough to bring his name up.
As a matter of fact, I would very much enjoy a challenge match, race to 1,000 between Sigel & Hopkins.
Thanks SJM for another good post!
You can't ever count Sigel out. If its a race to 125 or 150, I think mike could stand a very good chance. He ran 150 right in front of Mosconi and Carass- what does that say about him handling pressure?
I love john, but I think Mike could still take him in a normal race.
Longer races, thats a different story.
I love john, but I think Mike could still take him in a normal race.
Longer races, thats a different story.
Russ Chewning said:
Russ, I love ya and all but you're a little extreme to say Sigel doesn't have a prayer. In a single game to 125, I could think of a LOT of players who have a prayer against John...probably even guys you never heard of. In a single shortened game, you have to say in a game between John and Mike is a coin flip if Mike is playing ok (which I'm sure he is). I'm sure JS would agree with that. In a longer race or playing a bunch of games--- I'm "all-in" with Schmidt. One game to 125? Pssh. Whoever gets the first chance to run is a huge favorite, whoever that is.
Realizm said:
FTR... I was responding to "ghostball" AKA "Cool Cat" Ray Martin (World Straight Pool Champion in 1971, 1974, & 1978). I'd love to see him get in the IPT box with another player from his era.
As for the match-up between Mike Sigel and John Schmidt, I wouldn't bet against either of them - especially Mike. He's still dangerous and John will take this match very seriously.
sjm said:
Hopkins never lost a 1000 pt match. I'd love to watch Schmidt play Hopkins in a 1000 pointer! Would be very exciting.
Blackjack said:
I would L-O-V-E to see Ray Martin vs Ed Kelly in an all-around match up that had 9 ball, one pocket and 14.1.
Ed Kelly & Dallas West are two guys that I wish were still active.
As for the Sigel vs Schmidt match up, my view also reflects your and SpiderWebbCom's in that it's anybody's game. Especially in a short match.
As an example, who would have forseen THESE results.....
US Open 14.1 Championship
November 1 - 18, 2007
Clarion Hotel and Convention Center
Louisville, Kentucky
Place Player Name Prize Money
1st place Rafael Martinez $2,850.00
2nd place Gabe Owen $1,850.00
3rd place Huidjie See $1,170.00
4th place John Schmidt $800.00
5th place Danny Harriman $575.00
5th place Jason Miller $575.00
I think I know a little bit at least about pool and the elite players. But I would have NEVER predicted Martinez & See over guys like Schmidt, Harriman & Hopkins in a 14.1 event.....
cad1illac said:
No disrespect taken, cad1illac.
My point was not that RM wasn't a fine player, my point was since he NEVER WON ANY MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIP EVER IN HIS LIFE, I did not view him as a viable contender in a 14.1 championship. 9 Ball is his best game, don't you agree?
Also, to say Rafael Martinez is the 2nd best shotmaker in pool surprises me. Better than Strickland, Ortmann, Deuel, Bustamonte, Archer, Souquet,
Hall, Yang, Chao, Parica, Schmidt, Hohmann, Alcano, Orcullo, Morris, Pagulayan, & on & on.....He's BETTER than those guys?
If so, why hasn't he won or placed higher in any majors?
Please, I also mean no disrespect to you. But I'll pick any of the group I mentioned in any calcutta over Rafael.
Back at ya.And yes he is better than virtually all of those guys. I did not not say he is a better pool player. Ask any pro who has the great shots and they will tell you that they have seen Rafi do things that are inhuman. I personally saw him make a shot at DC two years ago that made the whole place go quite ( and I kid you not) His personal problems have kept him from doing much better ( as with many pros ) and I won't get into them. Asking why he hasn't won any major tournaments, is somewhat of a loaded question. Why hasn't Archer, Earl, Deuel ? I do not personally know Rafael but I have seen him consistently do things that simply have to be seen to be believed. You probably are correct in saying that 9 ball is probably his best game, with 1 p right behind, he is super strong billiards player. As we all know virtually no one plays 14.1 and it's only starting to have a bit of a resurgence. As with all the pros if very tough for them to get a game playing heads up because none of them want to play each other, so it's tough to clock there true speed. Ask Schmidt about Shane two years ago at DC playing 9 ball for 10k !! with no spot, he wouldn't touch him when he was virtually unknown. If you find the calcutta I'll see you there.
hi
actually i ageed to play shane 8ahead 5000 9ball even.at the last second he got a different game.as far as shotmaking virtually all the pros can make anyshot any other pro makes.if you do not agree than you have not been around the other pros as much as they have been around each other.people are always saying this guy and that guy is far better than other pros at shotmaking.people even say im maybe the greatest shotmaker of all time.to me thats nuts.we all are about even in shotmaking period.i know that when im practicing and in dead punch i play a speed that would make another pro go look for a job pronto.im sure when their practicing they play a scary speed to.thats why we are pros.
actually i ageed to play shane 8ahead 5000 9ball even.at the last second he got a different game.as far as shotmaking virtually all the pros can make anyshot any other pro makes.if you do not agree than you have not been around the other pros as much as they have been around each other.people are always saying this guy and that guy is far better than other pros at shotmaking.people even say im maybe the greatest shotmaker of all time.to me thats nuts.we all are about even in shotmaking period.i know that when im practicing and in dead punch i play a speed that would make another pro go look for a job pronto.im sure when their practicing they play a scary speed to.thats why we are pros.
cad1illac said:
First, I don't know what that means. What KIND of shots. Forward cuts, back cuts super-draws, force follows, cross corner, cross side, 1,2,3,4 rail banks and kicks????
What shots? All shots?
If there are AT LEAST 50 different kinds of shots and there are at least 200 players who might want to claim "Best Shot Maker" honors and if it would take AT LEAST 100 attempts at each of the 50 shots times the 200 players...then if my math is correct after a long day, you would have had to watch all 200 players shot a million shots.
In addition, if you held the exact same contest a month later, I would lay 8/5 that the Top 3 shooters in event 1 don't finish in the same order in event 2. So now, you've watched 2 million shots and don't have a definite winner.
Now you have a 3rd event....etc.
I would venture a guess that you have not done any of the above and therefore, are in no position to make the claim you made...especially when followed by "...period."
As for the simplified method...asking the current Top 10 money winners on the tour...again, you've got 8/5 that you get AT LEAST 3 different responses and I'd lay 6/5 that no one person gets more than 6 votes.
No disrespect to either you or Raphael but it takes quite a massive amount of observation to be in a position to make such a claim...especially so boldly.
HEY...but let's turn a negative into a positive. WHAT AN EVENT!!!
10 of the best players in the world are invited to compete in the World Billiard Shot Making Championship!
An elite panel of judges including the top instructors, authors and retired players choose a series of 10 shots and the contestants get two practice tries if they wish...or not...and then shoot until they miss.
Each potted ball counts 1 point and the top 5 at ties, are given a series of 5 even tougher shots.
They shoot the series until 2 players are left and then there are 3 new shots.
But in the Finals...it's not shoot until you miss but the total potted balls out of 10 tries on each of the 3 shots that determines the winner.
If that round ends in a tie, the a shoot until you miss Sudden Death round decides the winner.
50 Grand to the winner, 25 Grand to 2nd place then 5,4,3,2,1,1,1,1 to the field.
NO trick shots...artistic or otherwise...only shots that normally come up in the major pool games (no 3 cushion)
Mark Griffin????????
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BTW that is av84fun's Crazy Idea # 924....but a few of them have been beauties!! (-:
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john schmidt said:
Makes sense to me! Well said.