There's no way you could assume he's conceding the game. He could easily just be changing shafts or putting his stick away because hes playing bad with it and using another stick or even a house stick (I've seen guys that are frustrated from missing put away their sticks and use house sticks). Just stop for a second or keep shooting unless he comes up to shake your hand.
I was gambling, he unscrewed with 4 balls left, I raked 'em
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I agree with the general consensus (and rule) that unscrewing without mentioning anything is at least
loss of game, and if you (player at the table) are on the hill you conceed the match.
I had a similar situation yesterday in league, I played a guy 8-ball race to 5,
whenever I got on the 8-ball and it was a makeable shot my oppenent would get up from his
chair and lean his cue against the wall. He didn't say 'that's ok' or something to
indicate I didn't have to make the ball nor did he approach the table.
A lot of people do this on occasion and it bugs me. I would like to know other peoples opinion on this one.
Later on in the evening the same guy was playing my teammate 14.1 going to 50,
when the scorekeeper announced my teammate only needed two balls he started unscrewing.
My teammate could not see or hear this so he played on and missed his shot.
Off course the guy quickly screwed his cue back together and played on.
We won both matches btw.
gr. Dave
loss of game, and if you (player at the table) are on the hill you conceed the match.
I had a similar situation yesterday in league, I played a guy 8-ball race to 5,
whenever I got on the 8-ball and it was a makeable shot my oppenent would get up from his
chair and lean his cue against the wall. He didn't say 'that's ok' or something to
indicate I didn't have to make the ball nor did he approach the table.
A lot of people do this on occasion and it bugs me. I would like to know other peoples opinion on this one.
Later on in the evening the same guy was playing my teammate 14.1 going to 50,
when the scorekeeper announced my teammate only needed two balls he started unscrewing.
My teammate could not see or hear this so he played on and missed his shot.
Off course the guy quickly screwed his cue back together and played on.
We won both matches btw.
gr. Dave
I wait until he acknowledges that it's good. I have been there and had people argue with me about it. You keep shooting because no matter what you 'think' it means when he unscrews you are still at the table and if you rake them then you lose unless the other guy gives up by acknowledging it verbally.
According to the rules, it is only a concession if:
1. The player shooting is on the hill
2. The cue that is unscrewed is his playing cue. Break cues don't count.
In a game in the middle of a set, unscrewing a playing cue is not an automatic concession so no loss of game or set.
Someone who does this either doesn't know the rules or does know and is trying to shark you and hopes you don't know.
1. The player shooting is on the hill
2. The cue that is unscrewed is his playing cue. Break cues don't count.
In a game in the middle of a set, unscrewing a playing cue is not an automatic concession so no loss of game or set.
Someone who does this either doesn't know the rules or does know and is trying to shark you and hopes you don't know.
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i would have ran out the last four and tried to get another set from him.Im sure taking the match this way ended the gambling session.No more cheese
i guess it depends on who you're playing, but maybe in a tournament you can get away with this.
i'll tell you right now, a desperate guy you're gambling with if he unscrews he may 100% want and be looking for you to do something like this so he can have an excuse to not pay or get in an argument and a fight. i just run the damn balls, and if i fail i ALWAYS blame either my ability or the inability to deal with an idiot, both my fault cus all we play are idiots so you have to be able to deal with it. point is no excuse if you dont get out after he unscrews.
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I think you did the right thing since you were playing with someone you were familiar with but if you were playing with someone you didn't know to well you should definitely ask first. And by the way since when have you been able to run four balls anyway?:grin::grin:
I think you did the right thing since you were playing with someone you were familiar with but if you were playing with someone you didn't know to well you should definitely ask first. And by the way since when have you been able to run four balls anyway?:grin::grin:
tournament rules and gambling rules are two different things. until he concedes verbally or messes the balls up himself you had better not rack em. you may win or lose the argument but will certainly lose any more action if he disagrees with you.
i played many times where the last game the non shooter would start taking down his stick but not conceding the game just semi giving up hope. if you missed he screwed it back.
i played many times where the last game the non shooter would start taking down his stick but not conceding the game just semi giving up hope. if you missed he screwed it back.
ding ding ding! There's not too many people that I would rake balls in that circumstance. I play this guy all the time and it's all good. I think that's one of the things I thought the thread would eventually convey (familiarity of opponent). And I also wanted to get others viewpoints; I knew there'd be people that'd disagree (maybe it's a regional thing), I just didn't know to what extent. Bottom line, don't unscrew your player unless you're conceding or have communicated you are making a change, and there will never be an issue.
It so happened we were playing as cheap as it gets 10 ball, $1 on the 5, $2 on the 10, and double on the run ($6). Two racks before he conceded the rack on the 5 ball after scratching, as there was an easy 6-10 combo.
Touche! :rotflmao:
i skipped a few posts to write this so if its been said i apologize
when you gamble-be overly meticulous in the moves you make
if someone fouls make eye contact and repeat it before touching anything!
if somone acts like they give up-DONT HIT A BALL dont do anything except put your hand out and collect
assume nothing the nicest guys in the world become dcks when they have to peel off a few
make sure the score is right and clearly state anything that may not be obvious!
hit calls are also important-stop em before he does it-no question
once you flip it and put your cash up its war nothing less
be courtious and polite but BE CLEAR -ITS STILL MONEY
when you gamble-be overly meticulous in the moves you make
if someone fouls make eye contact and repeat it before touching anything!
if somone acts like they give up-DONT HIT A BALL dont do anything except put your hand out and collect
assume nothing the nicest guys in the world become dcks when they have to peel off a few
make sure the score is right and clearly state anything that may not be obvious!
hit calls are also important-stop em before he does it-no question
once you flip it and put your cash up its war nothing less
be courtious and polite but BE CLEAR -ITS STILL MONEY
The stick cracking move reminds me of my opponent getting up and reaching into his pocket to pay me....before the game is over. They may casually jingle some change during the search, or drop their cue. Some guys will try anything to get inside your head, to make you think its over too.
Best thing to do is never assume anything, and dont even let on if it bothers you. Thats what he wants. Just pretend you think its all innocent, that he doesnt know any better.
Best thing to do is never assume anything, and dont even let on if it bothers you. Thats what he wants. Just pretend you think its all innocent, that he doesnt know any better.
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I also think that tournament rules do not apply in money games and never have in my experience. It's a good idea to get any rule changes out of the way beforehand, including that one. I've never understood that rule since it came out, anyway. If your focus is so bad that you miss if the opponent unscrews, you deserve to lose. I've had much worse tried on me, as far as shark moves go!
I think if anyone has been playing this game long enough to gamble at it, then they playing long enough to know that if they break down their playing cue, they concede the game/match. Just my 2 cents.
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Unscrew in the middle of a game = Conceding the match
For some people it is simply getting ready to rack with no shark intended.
I was playing one match against a very good player. I had a slightly tricky cut on the nine ball along the foot rail. He reached down, grabbed the rack and stood at the foot of the table waiting for me to shoot. The same player had a habit of jingling his coins during his opponents' shots. I don't know whether he did any of this on purpose, but the TD gave me the game for the "standing there with the rack" trick.
Kookkat is just too anal
I'm the chump that unscrewed on KK9. For the record it was three balls left and he had ball in hand and my frustration level was at the saturation point. I simply turned away from KK9 and went to my corner and took my cue apart, yes I know by the book this is a concede but I thought we were playing a friendly game, my bad. I agree with Schwinn KK9 didn't have to play the nit.
I'm the chump that unscrewed on KK9. For the record it was three balls left and he had ball in hand and my frustration level was at the saturation point. I simply turned away from KK9 and went to my corner and took my cue apart, yes I know by the book this is a concede but I thought we were playing a friendly game, my bad. I agree with Schwinn KK9 didn't have to play the nit.
I can be anal at certain times, I won't deny that! We all have our crosses to bear.
Now screw that thing back together and let's go play some my friend! :thumbup: