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TATE said:Fred,
You have ......... a big ass mystery!
Chris
Hmmmm....if that's the case, where was my girl Mawissa on this thread?? That's her forte and could have solved it easily.
TATE said:Fred,
You have ......... a big ass mystery!
Chris
TATE said:It takes a lot of work to research a cue properly. To summaraily discount or reject the opinion of someone like Evan Clarke who is the definite source on all things Schon , which Idcues and Dick Abbott are doing, is just not the way to do things.
Chris
Fred Agnir said:I hope you realize I was simply aiding to answer a question as to why Dick Abbot would still have photos of this cues.
Fred
TATE said:Thanks for the help. I had been planning on calling Bob today after reading Dick's post. As far as Idcues goes, I don't think it will matter but it would be nice if we had something on the cue when Bill goes to sell it.
By the way, this cue is now an infamous conversation piece.
We are going to call it the "One Eyed Bandit" - the first $3,000 takes it.
Chris
Fred Agnir said:If the buyer really wants his money back, for all parties involved, money back seems reasonable. Muddying up the seller's reputation however doesn't seem reasonable in my opinion.
Fred <~~~ will trade for it
Fred Agnir said:Fred <~~~ will trade for it
TATE said:David,
This cue at best is an oddity (like Dick thinks) and it was not properly advertised by you. At worst it is a butchered mess (like Evan thinks).
The whole point is this - Every cue buyer looking at your cue ad would believe that the cue had inlays all the way around. This was negligent of you at best and fruadulent at worst.
The fact that you do not recognize this deception and your refusal to take the cue back is what inspired this whole mess.
Bill is probably going to list the cue on E-Bay. When he does he will accurately describe it, and take his lumps.
Bill has integrity.
Chris
classiccues said:Now, if you want to get technical and need a valid reason to return the cue, all you need to do is say, "It's not a full splice, as advertised". It clearly has a ring above the wrap, negating any possibility of a full splice cue. It is very doubtful Runde / Clark would have split the ring and that would be very visible on a steel ring if it was.
Has anyone called Runde to see if he remembers the cue?
Joe (--- knows experience cannot be bought
ldcues said:Just as I thought, you never even had the cue in your hands. Incredulous...
I must hand it to you... and understand, this is coming from a "Professional Marketing Representitive" in the medical industry... you've done some incredible PR work here for your friend. Where exactly did you come up with the $3,000 figure? Given the transaction went off for less than a third of that, I am sure you are being sarcastic.
And with the rigid stand you've taken, and the certain lack of respect you have, for whomever created this "what appears to you as a butchered mess"... I'm sure you personally would decline any more than $500. Yes, I am positive now, glancing over the upstanding posts you have left for all to view, "That's what you would do."
You really never saw the cue? Seriously? Man, your balls are bigger than mine. I stand corrected.
David Wale
ldcues said:Hey Joe,
I was wondering when somebody was going to throw that in... Then again, and not saying an overlooked mistake is okay, I would never have been in this mess had it been you, Sean Brown, Dick Abbott, Bob Jewitt, Fred A., J.J., M.K., or any serious collector. Because the first rule of thumb when buying, "If you don't see it ask why". Every auction we use to run included, "If there are any questions you may have, please ask before bidding."
This was a seven day auction, and we declined three other offers in just two days, before we ended it. I hope Tate is not teaching this guy to buy first and ask questions later. Not saying an overlooked mistake is right, just making a point. If you make a serious offer, and you ask somebody to end their auction, be sure about the item. It's extremely difficult for the same person to relist and sell an item after they've closed the auction prematurely. Now everybody wonders what the problem is even if there isn't a problem.
Take care Joe.
Regards,
David Wale
Hello Mr. Sho,no-sho said:And when I buy a car I don't normaly ask if their is a gas tank in it either. Stupid mefor assuming such!!!!!!WEAK ARGUEMENT! IMHO
NO-SHO
ldcues said:1. When did Evan Clarke say he had this cue in his shop?
2. Did you ever have this cue in your posession to inspect the whole "sanding down of the inlays" thing?
A date for the first. A simple yes or no for the second.
Dave
You are obviously referring to this email that you sent to me;TATE said:I did not inspect the cue, Evan did. Bill did too and I trust him.
I don't have to see the cue to recognize that your ad was misleading and possibly a con job.
Evan did not say when he had the cue in his shop, possibly to protect a third party from embarassment.
I can't force him to tell me - you have the e-mail.
Chris
ldcues said:You never even had the cue in your hands?
You never even had the cue in your hands!
Dave
eth·ics ('e-thks)ldcues said:yakka yakka yakka, missdirection, after the fact irrelevance, and feigned indignation.
Dave
ldcues said:You are obviously referring to this email that you sent to me;
Your right, what was I thinking? Evan had the cue in his shop. You don't know when, but he did. The structural problems were so bad, he declined the work. But then, a mystery person worked on the cue that had been so crooked and repaired so poorly. And low and behold a beautiful butterfly appears from the mystery cue repairman's shop. (Who must be a damn cue repair genious to fix the horrible structural problems not to mention straighten the obvious warp it once had without affecting the evenness or esthetic beauty of any of the four points) I must not be thinking straight.