I'm no mathematician, but at 2.25" for each ball, that would mean that pocket is 6.75" wide?! Can we be sure that table isn't the Stevie Wonder Edition Pro-Am?
If Diamond tables didn't bank short...
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I'm no mathematician, but at 2.25" for each ball, that would mean that pocket is 6.75" wide?! Can we be sure that table isn't the Stevie Wonder Edition Pro-Am?
Yep...I sure did, but it sounds like some people are still getting the black marks on the balls...even after using the hand sanitizer to remove the dye....so that was the reason for the ?????????
I rolled my eyes on that complaint...because the skirts on a Diamond ProAm are only 5" long...about HALF as long as on a Gold Crown...so if the skirts on a ProAm are to long...I'd think EVERYTABLE would have that same complaint from that one customer....so I think THAT person should learn a different stance...period!!...as that's NOT a design problem...or flaw
And how would YOU...address that issue...change the design of a table for (1) person....out of a (1,000)???...so...after playing pool for about 45 years...and working on just about every kind of pool table built for the last 27 years....I guess I just considered it to be a stupid complaintlike complaining about what color the balls are...because you're COLOR blind!
Glen
Naaa...it got resold to him quickly....because Ray Charles canceled his custom ordered table from several years back...after complaining that he didn't like the color of the table...being Rosewood and all
Glen
Well, thank you for taking the time to ask for our feedback. As I suspected, you won't use any of it. Good day.
I hope that is a joke. Light tables suck, you want a table to be solid as a rock, and there are a HUGE number of tables cutting corners on the materials and becomming so light that you can bump the table and all the balls move.
Perhaps you were joking but it needs to be made clear, don't make freaking pool tables lighter.
Well...you're certainly entitled to your opinion...but then again...Diamond isn't marketing a toy for tots...they're building pool tables...and anyone that took in every single idea...every single person had...and tried to put everyone of them ideas into ONE pool table...there would always be someone speaking out about someone else's idea...as to the fact that they don't like this...or that...about this and that...so, Diamond DOES look at the things that make since...the things that they can do something about...and the things that they don't feel needs to be changed...because not EVERYTHING...is open to public opinion...because sometimes people don't always know why something is designed the way it is...they just think it should be changed...with out understanding the why it is that way...like the top rail profile...being the way Diamond has designed it....vs a Gold Crown...there's a reason the two rails are different...that really don't call for an explaination...so, in other words...Diamond does care about the things worth caring about...when it comes to their pool table design...and are always working on making it better...and WILL always do so...because they DO care...and so do I...so that's why I started this thread...
Glen
The one key thing I would like to see is the pocketing of a ball on the rail and a ball off the rail become more consistent in difficulty. This is one thing I like about Gold Crowns over the Diamond, the fact that no matter where the object ball is as far as the angles go the pocket gives you a very equitable target to shoot at. AKA shooting a ball down the rail is not hugely more difficult then shooting a ball from the center of the table.
On a diamond the pockets are quite generous when shooting into then from the center of the table and they become far smaller as the object ball gets closer and closer to the rail. This might make sense in snooker but in a game of rotational pool it limits the game.
I hear what you're saying, but Diamond is not going to change from the Pro Cut 4 1/2" corner pockets to make the pockets a little easier pocketing a ball down the rails as GC's don't become any easier shooting balls down the rails any easier after they've had the corners tightened up to Pro Cut 4 1/2" either. You can't have Pro Cut pockets on one hand, and pockets that accept balls like a GC down the rails with 5" corner pockets on the other. But...I will say this, the change that took place a while back takes some of the difficulty out of pocketing balls in the corner pockets while just grazing the side rails on the way to the corner pockets
and fyi...any table becomes easier to pocket balls on when you're pocketing them from the center of the table...as you have more pocket to hit...vs cutting a ball down the rail past the side pockets.Glen
I hear what you're saying, but Diamond is not going to change from the Pro Cut 4 1/2" corner pockets to make the pockets a little easier pocketing a ball down the rails as GC's don't become any easier shooting balls down the rails any easier after they've had the corners tightened up to Pro Cut 4 1/2" either. You can't have Pro Cut pockets on one hand, and pockets that accept balls like a GC down the rails with 5" corner pockets on the other. But...I will say this, the change that took place a while back takes some of the difficulty out of pocketing balls in the corner pockets while just grazing the side rails on the way to the corner pockets
Glen
This year i modified 8 GC3 tables. Original super speed cushions was replaced with artemis rubber. We modified pocket angels ( angle a in picture) and pocket size is about 4 1/2 now.
With this angle pockets play very good, they are not easy, but u can smash ball close to the rail and still manage to pocket without wobble
This year i modified 8 GC3 tables. Original super speed cushions was replaced with artemis rubber. We modified pocket angels ( angle a in picture) and pocket size is about 4 1/2 now.
With this angle pockets play very good, they are not easy, but u can smash ball close to the rail and still manage to pocket without wobble
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Looks like you almost made the pocket angles parallel to each other...diid you? If so, yes...you can smash a ball into the pockets...as the back of the pocket is just about as big as the front...which don't tighten the pockets up, it just means that once a ball enters the front of the pocket...it goes in...because it can't bounce back and forth if the pocket angles deflect it straight back into the back of the pocket. When you build confidants on pockets like these...then go somewhere else to play...you're in for a big suprise...when balls you'd normally "smash" into the pockets....don't go in
Glen
PS. Looks to me like to tighten up the pockets, instead of extending the rails to tighten them up, you left the throat of the pocket alone, and just changed the miter from there out until you got 4 1/2" at the front...which would put your miter angles at about 138 degrees....or in other words...48 degrees....only 3 degrees off from being straight across parallel facings from each other.
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Looks like you almost made the pocket angles parallel to each other...diid you? If so, yes...you can smash a ball into the pockets...as the back of the pocket is just about as big as the front...which don't tighten the pockets up, it just means that once a ball enters the front of the pocket...it goes in...because it can't bounce back and forth if the pocket angles deflect it straight back into the back of the pocket. When you build confidants on pockets like these...then go somewhere else to play...you're in for a big suprise...when balls you'd normally "smash" into the pockets....don't go in
Glen
U r 100 right. But this pockets are not easy by any means. Specially when cloth is not new
U r 100 right. But this pockets are not easy by any means. Specially when cloth is not new
hmmm...well, they're buckets...compared to Diamond's with 4 1/2" pocket openings...with a miter cut of 141 degrees...compared to the 138 degrees you did because the throat of a Diamond is 3/8" tighter than what you're playing GOOD on....in other words...being a champion on your tables...makes you rated at about a 3 in the APA when compared to a Diamond ProAm with Pro Cut pockets
Glen
hmmm...well, they're buckets...compared to Diamond's with 4 1/2" pocket openings...with a miter cut of 141 degrees...compared to the 138 degrees you did because the throat of a Diamond is 3/8" tighter than what you're playing GOOD on....in other words...being a champion on your tables...makes you rated at about a 3 in the APA when compared to a Diamond ProAm with Pro Cut pockets
Glen
Can't wait to see that Diamond modifications. Hope that cushions won't be like pinball with pro wobble only super slow roll pockets who favor defensive players
Can't wait to see that Diamond modifications. Hope that cushions won't be like pinball with pro wobble only super slow roll pockets who favor defensive players
No...actually the change makes the Diamonds play more like billiards tables....with pockets
Glen
One Pocket
For you one pocket players on Diamond tables with ball returns, here we use a piece of sponge rubber about 6x6x8" pushed into one pocket far enough it will hold 8 balls and use the return tray for the other player, it makes score keeping easy. As for Diamond tables banking short I love for it for one pocket
For you one pocket players on Diamond tables with ball returns, here we use a piece of sponge rubber about 6x6x8" pushed into one pocket far enough it will hold 8 balls and use the return tray for the other player, it makes score keeping easy. As for Diamond tables banking short I love for it for one pocket
The only thing diamond tables need is better pockets on the pro am. the "mesh" style leather its terrible... I would like to see pockets like gabriels have....they fit 15 balls and dont leave your knuckles torn up after playing steady.