If I opened a pool room

Fatboy

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This isnt a knock on any current room owners, they are the ones working their aZZes off so they can earn a living and give us a spot to play, I respect that, this is a concept where profit isnt an issue. So room owners dont get mad at me, I give you all my respect and thanks.

If I ever opened a pool room it wouldnt be for a profit or a living it would be for pool. And I bet because I would do it right that I would accidentally make $$$, problem is(this isnt a knock) that pool room owners are nervious about losing $$$(i am in my main business too like they are) so since they are scared of losing $$$ the room owners copy what other successful rooms do-its a lock, the loud music etc. They for their own good reasons copy each other so at the end of the day all the rooms are about the same, and I dont blame them, I would too if all I had was 1 pool room.

I have been lucky enough that I could open a room on hobbie $$$, not blood $$$ and this would afford me the chance to open a proper pool room, and if I lost $$ it wouldnt be alot, I would buy the shopping center that the room would be in so the rents from the other businesses would cover the losses at the pool room, I would pay cash for the shopping center like I awalys do. Right now I dont have the time, but In a couple years I might just do that, and who knows the pool room might do good.

I would have about 5 tables with good video HD on them and a website with streaming video and charge small $$$ for people to watch like $5/day so if nothing happens the people who paid to see something wouldnt get hurt and also figure out a system to give them a replacement day since they paid, some players wouldnt like that cause other could see how they play so I would have the rest of tables without video and shut off the video at the video tables at the players request. I think tieing a website to a room is the triple nuts if its done right.

I would add huge $$$ to a couple big tournments every year. The amount added would be based on how the room is doing, even if it is a $$$ pit I would still come with something.

I would cut it into 2 seperate rooms like Great American & The Jointed Cue in Sacramento are, a players room, new chalk every day, some diamond tables and Gold Crowns, a good 12' golf table. Maybe even 3 rooms.

I would the have the biggest room with different music a bit louder only on fri/sat nights. The rest of the time i would have leagues stuff going on in there and big tables as well with full size pockets and a pile of bar boxes too, I know zero about league but thats easy to fix, The smaller room would be the 9' tables(one or 2 real tight for 1P the rest tough), low music, i would guess 12 tables and movie chairs so everyone watching can see and is comfortable.

The golf table would have its own room too, or be in a spot not to interfer with other stuff and to respect the golf players-I would charge them a flat rate for golf each month, real cheap so they could bet higher.

I would call it Fatboys Billiards.

The food, retail shop, etc. i'll save that for later,

My goal is to create a room like Ames in The Hustler, a real pool room. With perfect equipment, so what if it costs an extra 5 or 10 dimes a year to recover the tables more often, Owning the shopping center and collecting that rent every month from the other tenants to fund the pool room would give me the edge to have the best room in America.

I would also display parts of my cue collection by rotating them every month mabey 6 at a time in a very secue way so people can see the great works of the ledgends of today and yesterday in making cues. That would be my pet project. And bullett proof from theft.

feel free to add to my list of ideas and if your a room owneer use my ideas except the name please. "Fatboy Billiards" is my rooms name and I like it.

again any input would be great, i'm 2 years out from this, I have a few things to finish and a couple buildings i'm selling in the next 18-24 months. This will be built on disposable $$$, the Price of the property since I pay cash is the hard part.


Imight be on to something:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=72151
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Sorry for the poor spelling, I was practicing 9 ball and missed that class.
 
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I cant play pool like a champion but I'm a good biz man. I hope my back gets better so I can get up to my A- level I was at years ago, i can feel it in spots but cant hold it together. I just wrote this biz play in 15 minutes, i would love to hear all the negitative things and flaws. The good ideas take care of them selfs.


I like bad news so I can fix it. So find the problems here and let me know I would appericate it, i'm 75% asleep when I started writing this and now I cant keep my eyes open, thanks and good night.
 
Sounds fantastic.

I saw that you are holding off on the menu item discussion for now. I'd suggest some pasta dishes and a stone pizza oven as a simple to prep menu section. That stuff can be made both cheaply and with minimal training and many people love it!
 
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How about Baton Rouge Louisiana. Seriously, it sounds like a great idea.
 
Franky said:
Sounds fantastic.

I saw that you are holding off on the menu item discussion for now. I'd suggest some pasta dishes and a stone pizza oven as a simple to prep menu section. That stuff can be made both cheaply and with minimal training and many people love it!

i hada resteraunt and was losing 15 dimes a month, so i leased the whole thing out to a guy in that biz, now i'm grabbing 10 dimes a month, a 25 dime a month swing, not bad, I never went there and the guy running it wasnt a business man, it wasnt worth my time to deal with it, i might do what I do in an office building I own whee my resteraunt is-build it and lease it out to someone in that biz. I only go to any of my businesses a couple times a year if that, i have apts and motels I have never been too. I'm a hands off owner-sure I dont make as much out of each business but I get to own so many businesses it off-sets whats stolen from me.
 
I see two things missing Fatboy (one serious, one not).

The First thing missing is a Gabriels Billiards Table.

The Second, Me managing the place.


("Field of Dreams" comes to mind.. "If you build it they will come".
 
just wondering fatboy,

why would you pay cash for the building? I can understand if IR were like they were in early 80's but nowadays.....
 
Don't forget the "in house" pro for promotion, action and lessons. BTW, someone has to be there with some of those dimes to stake your local horse. You should fit that spot well.
 
why not?

prewarhero said:
just wondering fatboy,

why would you pay cash for the building? I can understand if IR were like they were in early 80's but nowadays.....

Why wouldn't he pay cash for a building? It's a great feeling to own all your properties, free and clear. Then, you don't have the major bill coming due every month, to possibly threaten you, if things go bad for a bit. It's all paid for and it's one less bill to pay.
 
Fatboy said:
This isnt a knock on any current room owners, they are the ones working their aZZes off so they can earn a living and give us a spot to play, I respect that, this is a concept where profit isnt an issue. So room owners dont get mad at me, I give you all my respect and thanks.

If I ever opened a pool room it wouldnt be for a profit or a living it would be for pool. And I bet because I would do it right that I would accidentally make $$$, problem is(this isnt a knock) that pool room owners are nervious about losing $$$(i am in my main business too like they are) so since they are scared of losing $$$ the room owners copy what other successful rooms do-its a lock, the loud music etc. They for their own good reasons copy each other so at the end of the day all the rooms are about the same, and I dont blame them, I would too if all I had was 1 pool room.

I have been lucky enough that I could open a room on hobbie $$$, not blood $$$ and this would afford me the chance to open a proper pool room, and if I lost $$ it wouldnt be alot, I would buy the shopping center that the room would be in so the rents from the other businesses would cover the losses at the pool room, I would pay cash for the shopping center like I awalys do. Right now I dont have the time, but In a couple years I might just do that, and who knows the pool room might do good.

I would have about 5 tables with good video HD on them and a website with streaming video and charge small $$$ for people to watch like $5/day so if nothing happens the people who paid to see something wouldnt get hurt and also figure out a system to give them a replacement day since they paid, some players wouldnt like that cause other could see how they play so I would have the rest of tables without video and shut off the video at the video tables at the players request. I think tieing a website to a room is the triple nuts if its done right.

I would add huge $$$ to a couple big tournments every year. The amount added would be based on how the room is doing, even if it is a $$$ pit I would still come with something.

I would cut it into 2 seperate rooms like Great American & The Jointed Cue in Sacramento are, a players room, new chalk every day, some diamond tables and Gold Crowns, a good 12' golf table. Maybe even 3 rooms.

I would the have the biggest room with different music a bit louder only on fri/sat nights. The rest of the time i would have leagues stuff going on in there and big tables as well with full size pockets and a pile of bar boxes too, I know zero about league but thats easy to fix, The smaller room would be the 9' tables(one or 2 real tight for 1P the rest tough), low music, i would guess 12 tables and movie chairs so everyone watching can see and is comfortable.

The golf table would have its own room too, or be in a spot not to interfer with other stuff and to respect the golf players-I would charge them a flat rate for golf each month, real cheap so they could bet higher.

I would call it Fatboys Billiards.

The food, retail shop, etc. i'll save that for later,

My goal is to create a room like Ames in The Hustler, a real pool room. With perfect equipment, so what if it costs an extra 5 or 10 dimes a year to recover the tables more often, Owning the shopping center and collecting that rent every month from the other tenants to fund the pool room would give me the edge to have the best room in America.

I would also display parts of my cue collection by rotating them every month mabey 6 at a time in a very secue way so people can see the great works of the ledgends of today and yesterday in making cues. That would be my pet project. And bullett proof from theft.

feel free to add to my list of ideas and if your a room owneer use my ideas except the name please. "Fatboy Billiards" is my rooms name and I like it.

again any input would be great, i'm 2 years out from this, I have a few things to finish and a couple buildings i'm selling in the next 18-24 months. This will be built on disposable $$$, the Price of the property since I pay cash is the hard part.


Imight be on to something:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=72151
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Sorry for the poor spelling, I was practicing 9 ball and missed that class.


I would suggest that with a room like you are talking about that you should also include a section for young adults under 21 years old. This will make money with the proper supervision. I have made a good deal of money from my under aged patrons. This will also help the younger generation see what pool is all about. The key to this though is the person responsible for that section of the room. The person has to set rules, enforce rules, and treat EVERYONE with the respect that they would want to be treated with. I have found that my military back ground served me very well in this business. It taught me how to treat people so that they want to follow your rules without being forced to do so. It also exposed me to many people with very diverse backgrounds, and cultures.

Next, I would ensure that your pool room is a one stop billiards utopia. I would offer for sale the best cues and accessories, all the way down to Asian import products so that you can have a complete cross section of items that will appeal to all your customers and their individual financial back grounds. This is what I have done and to date it has been very successful. I also offer a layaway program that allows people with smaller budgets to purchase things that would normally be beyond their fianc?s. Along with the layaway program, I offer a cue trade-in program. This allows people who have purchased a cue from me to upgrade to a more expensive cue at a later date. I give back up to 80% of what was paid for the trade-in depending upon the condition of the cue at the time of trade-in. The only stipulation to my trade-in program is that the next cue purchased must cost at least $100 retail more than the cue being traded-in.

Next, I have a complete cue repair section, were basic cues repairs could done on the spot, such as, tip's, shafts cleaning, weight adjustments, and wraps. Along with this I would also offer complete cue repair including complete refinishing and restoration of rare and or collectible cues. This portion of the business is a very good money maker, and it appeals to everyone from league players to players who play pool for a living. I also build custom cues for my customers, this would also be a plus if you had the space for the equipment. The only requirement is that you must have a competent cue repairman who truly loves what he or she is doing.

By making pool the focus it's complete form you will attract business that others can only hope for, in fact your competition will hate the day you opened, however, as you already know that's business.

Fatboy, I have no business degrees, no insight other than common sense, but along with what you have described above you room would become a legend in the pool / billiard community, and nothing would equal it in this entire country today. I am currently moving to-wards this myself, but there is always room in this business for others who may see the benefits of a good plan.

Have a great night!!
 
respect for the players is probably the most important things.
if u promise them something, you have to go all the way.

it will be the players who will promote your poolhall.
treet them with respect, and your poolhall will get respect in return.

treet your material with respect, and the people will respect your material.

Also it might be good to make seperate tournaments, Ballbangers only tournament vs league play. By inviting ballbangers to a tournament, some will find a passion, some will admire the work you do, they will invite friends,etc..

i remember there was a ballbangers tournament only, with 5$ fee and no price money (only a trophy for the first one) that worked like CRAZY. Only D level players. They enjoy the tournaments more then the pro's do.

anyway, really sounds like a good plan fatboy.

something i would add , is the option to tape a practise sesion on dvd or even USB. Just take your key with you, practise for 4 hours, put your USB in the slot, copy your training and watch it at home.

this is something i would LOVE to see in a poolhall.

and for the cuecollection, you know where to find me if you are looking for European cue's.

Good luck with the business m8.
 
manwon said:
[...] I also offer a layaway program that allows people with smaller budgets to purchase things that would normally be beyond their fianc?s. [...]

Craig, would you please explain how this works in a typical situation?
 
i only have debt on one piece of property and I hate it, but the deal was too strong to pass up, sure i could make more $$$ leveraging I know how too and have before, those days are done I have my $$$-thankg goodness.

i didnt mention a house pro because i wasnt getting that detailed, but yes i would do that, one or 2 of them, and a pool school might be a plan too.

i dont want the kids, i know they are good for biz managed the right way but i dont want the liability

the trade in on he retail side and minor cue reoair is easy to handle.

perhaps in about 18months -24 i can get started,
 
pool room

Fatboy said:
This isnt a knock on any current room owners, they are the ones working their aZZes off so they can earn a living and give us a spot to play, I respect that, this is a concept where profit isnt an issue. So room owners dont get mad at me, I give you all my respect and thanks.

If I ever opened a pool room it wouldnt be for a profit or a living it would be for pool. And I bet because I would do it right that I would accidentally make $$$, problem is(this isnt a knock) that pool room owners are nervious about losing $$$(i am in my main business too like they are) so since they are scared of losing $$$ the room owners copy what other successful rooms do-its a lock, the loud music etc. They for their own good reasons copy each other so at the end of the day all the rooms are about the same, and I dont blame them, I would too if all I had was 1 pool room.

I have been lucky enough that I could open a room on hobbie $$$, not blood $$$ and this would afford me the chance to open a proper pool room, and if I lost $$ it wouldnt be alot, I would buy the shopping center that the room would be in so the rents from the other businesses would cover the losses at the pool room, I would pay cash for the shopping center like I awalys do. Right now I dont have the time, but In a couple years I might just do that, and who knows the pool room might do good.

I would have about 5 tables with good video HD on them and a website with streaming video and charge small $$$ for people to watch like $5/day so if nothing happens the people who paid to see something wouldnt get hurt and also figure out a system to give them a replacement day since they paid, some players wouldnt like that cause other could see how they play so I would have the rest of tables without video and shut off the video at the video tables at the players request. I think tieing a website to a room is the triple nuts if its done right.

I would add huge $$$ to a couple big tournments every year. The amount added would be based on how the room is doing, even if it is a $$$ pit I would still come with something.

I would cut it into 2 seperate rooms like Great American & The Jointed Cue in Sacramento are, a players room, new chalk every day, some diamond tables and Gold Crowns, a good 12' golf table. Maybe even 3 rooms.

I would the have the biggest room with different music a bit louder only on fri/sat nights. The rest of the time i would have leagues stuff going on in there and big tables as well with full size pockets and a pile of bar boxes too, I know zero about league but thats easy to fix, The smaller room would be the 9' tables(one or 2 real tight for 1P the rest tough), low music, i would guess 12 tables and movie chairs so everyone watching can see and is comfortable.

The golf table would have its own room too, or be in a spot not to interfer with other stuff and to respect the golf players-I would charge them a flat rate for golf each month, real cheap so they could bet higher.

I would call it Fatboys Billiards.

The food, retail shop, etc. i'll save that for later,

My goal is to create a room like Ames in The Hustler, a real pool room. With perfect equipment, so what if it costs an extra 5 or 10 dimes a year to recover the tables more often, Owning the shopping center and collecting that rent every month from the other tenants to fund the pool room would give me the edge to have the best room in America.

I would also display parts of my cue collection by rotating them every month mabey 6 at a time in a very secue way so people can see the great works of the ledgends of today and yesterday in making cues. That would be my pet project. And bullett proof from theft.

feel free to add to my list of ideas and if your a room owneer use my ideas except the name please. "Fatboy Billiards" is my rooms name and I like it.

again any input would be great, i'm 2 years out from this, I have a few things to finish and a couple buildings i'm selling in the next 18-24 months. This will be built on disposable $$$, the Price of the property since I pay cash is the hard part.


Imight be on to something:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=72151
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HA HA HA__ THE DONALD TRUMP OF BILLIARDS GOT IT ALL FIGURED OUT!!!!!:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
The room sounds like heaven. I hope you can find a way to do it up, and do it properly.

I agree about the triple nuts website+room also :)
Honestly I'd be thrilled to find a room run by a player, for players, with good tables, balls, sticks & chalks, with nice cloth and good rails that get redone as often as it should be. I've never seen a pool hall that gets all of these things done right (to my satisfaction). I'd be willing to put up with almost anything to play somewhere like that. If they also make a room with no juke or bar and good food... daaaaayum
 
Well if I Opened a Room....

It would be beautiful, smoke free and very clean. There would be a "Members Only" players/tournament room. It would work something like a gym membership. Players would pay a monthly or slightly cheaper yearly fee and could play unlimited in the room with no additional table time charges. In addition any Open tournaments held, their green fees would be paid by the room.
I would want to hold weekly and monthly Members only tournaments as well as host major tour events...
The only way a non member could play, would be in an Open tournament or as the guest of a member, in that case they would be charged for their table time...
I'd also offer weekly passes, so if you were visiting from out of town you could play as well. Maybe a day pass as well but it would be kind of pricey...to keep out the riff raff ;)! Any pro player would get complimentary entry of course....

Every table and rack of balls would be cleaned after every use. The members area would also have their own bathrooms and access to a smoking area, preferably a patio. And well trained waitresses/waiters who would know better than to walk in front of someone shooting...and a very nice viewing/dinning area (though, again only members would be allowed in to the viewing area as well, unless they are a member's guest). Also lockers for the members to store their cues.

I would want the rest of room to be high end and just as well kept but be open to leagues, bangers and families. Great food and service would be a must as well.
 
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Fatboy said:
This isnt a knock on any current room owners, they are the ones working their aZZes off so they can earn a living and give us a spot to play, I respect that, this is a concept where profit isnt an issue. So room owners dont get mad at me, I give you all my respect and thanks.

If I ever opened a pool room it wouldnt be for a profit or a living it would be for pool. And I bet because I would do it right that I would accidentally make $$$, problem is(this isnt a knock) that pool room owners are nervious about losing $$$(i am in my main business too like they are) so since they are scared of losing $$$ the room owners copy what other successful rooms do-its a lock, the loud music etc. They for their own good reasons copy each other so at the end of the day all the rooms are about the same, and I dont blame them, I would too if all I had was 1 pool room.

I have been lucky enough that I could open a room on hobbie $$$, not blood $$$ and this would afford me the chance to open a proper pool room, and if I lost $$ it wouldnt be alot, I would buy the shopping center that the room would be in so the rents from the other businesses would cover the losses at the pool room, I would pay cash for the shopping center like I awalys do. Right now I dont have the time, but In a couple years I might just do that, and who knows the pool room might do good.

I would have about 5 tables with good video HD on them and a website with streaming video and charge small $$$ for people to watch like $5/day so if nothing happens the people who paid to see something wouldnt get hurt and also figure out a system to give them a replacement day since they paid, some players wouldnt like that cause other could see how they play so I would have the rest of tables without video and shut off the video at the video tables at the players request. I think tieing a website to a room is the triple nuts if its done right.

I would add huge $$$ to a couple big tournments every year. The amount added would be based on how the room is doing, even if it is a $$$ pit I would still come with something.

I would cut it into 2 seperate rooms like Great American & The Jointed Cue in Sacramento are, a players room, new chalk every day, some diamond tables and Gold Crowns, a good 12' golf table. Maybe even 3 rooms.

I would the have the biggest room with different music a bit louder only on fri/sat nights. The rest of the time i would have leagues stuff going on in there and big tables as well with full size pockets and a pile of bar boxes too, I know zero about league but thats easy to fix, The smaller room would be the 9' tables(one or 2 real tight for 1P the rest tough), low music, i would guess 12 tables and movie chairs so everyone watching can see and is comfortable.

The golf table would have its own room too, or be in a spot not to interfer with other stuff and to respect the golf players-I would charge them a flat rate for golf each month, real cheap so they could bet higher.

I would call it Fatboys Billiards.

The food, retail shop, etc. i'll save that for later,

My goal is to create a room like Ames in The Hustler, a real pool room. With perfect equipment, so what if it costs an extra 5 or 10 dimes a year to recover the tables more often, Owning the shopping center and collecting that rent every month from the other tenants to fund the pool room would give me the edge to have the best room in America.

I would also display parts of my cue collection by rotating them every month mabey 6 at a time in a very secue way so people can see the great works of the ledgends of today and yesterday in making cues. That would be my pet project. And bullett proof from theft.

feel free to add to my list of ideas and if your a room owneer use my ideas except the name please. "Fatboy Billiards" is my rooms name and I like it.

again any input would be great, i'm 2 years out from this, I have a few things to finish and a couple buildings i'm selling in the next 18-24 months. This will be built on disposable $$$, the Price of the property since I pay cash is the hard part.


Imight be on to something:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=72151
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Sorry for the poor spelling, I was practicing 9 ball and missed that class.

Build it and they will come..............
 
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