If I was promoting major pool tournaments!

realkingcobra

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I have to say I've never really cared about the formats in which major pool tournaments are ran, I just don't think it brings out the best in the players, and causes to many arguments, so IF...I was promoting major pool tournaments...this would be the format:

10/9/8 ball tournaments:

Match starts on a 2 hour clock, meaning players WILL be playing their match for exactly 2 hours.

Wining that match would be decided by who has more wins at the end of 2 hours of play...OR...by receiving a knockout win by obtaining a 10 ahead spread over your opposite at any time during that 2 hour match. The knock out rule is to keep from dragging out lopsided matches for 2 hours.

Winner always breaks.

In the event of a tied score at the ding of the 2 hour bell, one last game is played after the bell to determine the winner.

If at the ding of the bell, the players are in the middle of a game, and that game won't change the out come of the winner, then that game is ended with no winner.

Between 2 hour sessions there would be a 30 min break before the next round starts, this 30 min break would be for then next round of players to warm up.

Under this format, players would know exactly when they were playing next, and exactly how long. Slow playing matches would have no effect on the 2 hour format.

I have other formats for 1 pocket and bank pool as well which would change how the tournaments are played playing this games too;).

Glen
 
credible idea indeed but the one thing that might be a problem is a player stalling with the lead !
 
credible idea indeed but the one thing that might be a problem is a player stalling with the lead !

Stalling with the lead could cost a player the match as well, remember the tortoise and the hare;)

PS. I also think that if a player has a chance to get an early win by knockout, it would be jumped on right out the gate, AND...because there is no race to 7, 9, 11...13..or what ever, the better player would have a higher percentage of winning the match, as we all know....it's almost anyone's game at times in a race to 7!
 
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Glen, you are such a dreamer crusing to the oldies, lol...

Thanks for all your help btw, you will be up here soon. Things are looking good!


Still waiting for the call to be a roadie, lol..
 
One pocket & Bank pool would be played almost the same way.

2 hour matches.

Win by hitting 50 points first, be ahead at the 2 hour bell, or gain a 20 point spread for a knockout.

Next point after the bell determines the winner in the event of a tie at the bell.

Banks played with a full rack.
Alternating breaks.

One pocket alternating breaks as well, but playing the full 15 ball rack before a re-rack allowing a player to score up to 15 points in one rack.

Glen
 
One pocket & Bank pool would be played almost the same way.

2 hour matches.

Win by hitting 50 points first, be ahead at the 2 hour bell, or gain a 20 point spread for a knockout.

Next point after the bell determines the winner in the event of a tie at the bell.

Banks played with a full rack.
Alternating breaks.

One pocket alternating breaks as well, but playing the full 15 ball rack before a re-rack allowing a player to score up to 15 points in one rack.

Glen

good idea Glen. lets do it in Southern CA.
 
So, if you have 32 players, you have 16 first round matches....32 table hours(Thrs), then your second round A you have 8 matches...16 Thrs. And your second round B has 8 matches...16 Thrs. And the next round of B is another 8 matches ...16 Thrs. This adds up to 80 Thrs. So, if you have 8 tables, to get this far has taken 10 hours. you have had two half hour breaks...so 11 hours. if you have started at 10 am Saturday....you are now at 9pm. And have used 8 tables all day.

Now for next round of B, you have 4 matches(16Thrs) with 4 tables needed. And the A has 4 matches on 4 tables. So, you have used all 8 tables for 2 more hours to get here. it is now 11pm.

You have used 8 table from 10 am to 11pm. I dont know how big the halls would be, but if it doesn't have 16 plus tables, you are severely cutting intothe prime Saturday evening crowd. Anyway...

Sunday morning rolls around and you have to play still the semis and finals in A....and a round of 4 matches on B, as well as 2 rounds of 2 matches, and so on.

This is for 32 players with your format. I think this clearly shows that you do not understand the logistics or the business of pool. This is simply not a good venture. Can you imaginr the table and time requirements for a 64 player event?

The unfortunate thing is, many owners might actaully try this ridiculous plan. And then they would be turned off tournaments. I think you should stay out of pool promotion, you are bad for the game. An ignorant dreamer.
 
for big tournaments

Sounds like you might be on to something, Glen especially for tournaments with more than 128 players or 400 players for that matter.
 
1-hour

You could always cut it back to one hour matches and it might work. Smaller tournaments could be half hour matches. Seems like it could work out except for the stalling problem which could be taken care of with a shot clock. But then you would need refs... :wink:
 
Yes 4774 posts to 14 posts. And the poster admitted he has never run a pool tourney. Well, that is certainly obvious.

Anyone with any sense at all can work out the numbers. To have just 32 players in your hall dominating 8 tables is not good business. And have any of you considered that by strict times on the matches, you are inviting the players to leave the hall, and not spend money?

The majority here have no idea what they are talking about, but have been bitten by the "pool" bug, and want to sound knowledgeable or on the "in". Trust me, it isn't working.

However, you are the exact players that would SO benefit from having someone to guide you along, hand feed you proper events so that you could actually become players in the know.

The reaon I have 14 posts is because the vast majority of people in here are completely and utterly ignorant. And when you present clear and well thought out posts, people can not seem to understand. So, generally i just leave the ignorant masses to themselves. It is too bad for pool that such a large group of obviously avid pool players cannot open their eyes and minds, and actually help the game.
 
Unrealistic idea since stalling would not only happen but cause MAJOR contention between players whether they were Intentionally stalling or not.
 
So, if you have 32 players, you have 16 first round matches....32 table hours(Thrs), then your second round A you have 8 matches...16 Thrs. And your second round B has 8 matches...16 Thrs. And the next round of B is another 8 matches ...16 Thrs. This adds up to 80 Thrs. So, if you have 8 tables, to get this far has taken 10 hours. you have had two half hour breaks...so 11 hours. if you have started at 10 am Saturday....you are now at 9pm. And have used 8 tables all day.

Now for next round of B, you have 4 matches(16Thrs) with 4 tables needed. And the A has 4 matches on 4 tables. So, you have used all 8 tables for 2 more hours to get here. it is now 11pm.

You have used 8 table from 10 am to 11pm. I dont know how big the halls would be, but if it doesn't have 16 plus tables, you are severely cutting intothe prime Saturday evening crowd. Anyway...

Sunday morning rolls around and you have to play still the semis and finals in A....and a round of 4 matches on B, as well as 2 rounds of 2 matches, and so on.

This is for 32 players with your format. I think this clearly shows that you do not understand the logistics or the business of pool. This is simply not a good venture. Can you imaginr the table and time requirements for a 64 player event?

The unfortunate thing is, many owners might actaully try this ridiculous plan. And then they would be turned off tournaments. I think you should stay out of pool promotion, you are bad for the game. An ignorant dreamer.

Did you not read the MAJOR pool tournament title?...This is NOT for your $7 dollar entry fee having "fun" players...what part of that did you NOT understand?...."ignorant dreamer"?????????

Glen
 
And the poster admitted he has never run a pool tourney. Well, that is certainly obvious.

First of all...before you stick your foot so far up your ass that someone would have to lend you a flashlight to find it....I HAVE OWNED 3 POOL ROOMS....I have ran pool touraments....even up to $5,000 added....and I do know what in the hell I'm talking about....I wasn't born yesterday!

Something else to say now?

There IS more to this that I haven't finished writing out yet...so if you'll shut up and keep your opinion out for a little while....maybe YOU will learn something;)

Glen
 
Unrealistic idea since stalling would not only happen but cause MAJOR contention between players whether they were Intentionally stalling or not.

Stalling won't work, because if you're the one stalling and you're ahead on games won...stalling is going to allow your opponet to catch up to you...and stalling if you're behind....is just begging to lose:D

And in my tournament system, there WOULD be a 30 sec shot clock that either player could start at any time...BUT, if I was the faster player...and ahead on games...WHY....would I want to start the clock?...Think about it for a minute!!!

Glen

PS. If I'm ahead at the ding of the 2 hour bell...score 2-1...WHO cares....I WIN!
 
Glen

find a location and put this venue you thought up to the test.their is room at the top for a new promoter.you will get players.

bill
 
Glen

find a location and put this venue you thought up to the test.their is room at the top for a new promoter.you will get players.

bill

ahhhh....but, there's going to be some catchs to this:D There IS more than ONE reason I've been fixing up the Brunswick GC1's & 2's at Malarkey's Pool & Brew in Tacoma, WA.;)

Glen
 
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