If the cue ball is so important then...

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ktrepal85

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Obviously the cue ball makes a big difference. At one end of the spectrum you have the mud balls and fisher price balls that come with a valley bar box and at the other end you have the nicer cue balls such as the red dot, red circle, and a few others.

When you play in a professional grade tournament they always specify the tables, usually diamonds, and the balls, cyclops or aramith, and the rack, but I never hear them specify the type of cue ball.

Isn't the cue ball one of the most important things?

Obviously it's assumed that it's going to be a nicer cue ball but doesn't it make a difference as to which nicer cue ball it is? Is it a red dot, red circle, blue logo, red logo, blue spot, red spot, etc...?

I never hear anyone inquire about the cue ball. Is it really that important after all?
 
Actually, the cue ball isn't important at all, ktrepal. As a matter of fact, we play One Pocket all the time without it. It speeds up the game, which saves us money, and there are no more cue ball fouls, saving us valuable time.
We've also noticed that our playing skills have improved enormously. One guy, who couldn't hit his ass with both hands, is pocking balls all over the place now.
If you were to ask me if I would ever go back to playing with a cue ball I'd have to say. "Hell no! It's too damn much fun this way." :smile:
 
ktrepal85 said:
Obviously the cue ball makes a big difference. At one end of the spectrum you have the mud balls and fisher price balls that come with a valley bar box and at the other end you have the nicer cue balls such as the red dot, red circle, and a few others.

When you play in a professional grade tournament they always specify the tables, usually diamonds, and the balls, cyclops or aramith, and the rack, but I never hear them specify the type of cue ball.

Isn't the cue ball one of the most important things?

Obviously it's assumed that it's going to be a nicer cue ball but doesn't it make a difference as to which nicer cue ball it is? Is it a red dot, red circle, blue logo, red logo, blue spot, red spot, etc...?

I never hear anyone inquire about the cue ball. Is it really that important after all?
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For many of the larger tournament the CB will be specified. If it's a long standing event, guys already know what CB. If it's in question, most knowledgable players will try and find out ahead of time.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
For many of the larger tournament the CB will be specified. If it's a long standing event, guys already know what CB. If it's in question, most knowledgable players will try and find out ahead of time.

Lou Figueroa
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I just saw the flyer for the US Open 10 ball and 8 ball and the cue ball is not specified...
 
I am with Tramp on this one, I also have stopped using whitey. Beating the ghost is now a reality for me although does not happen every attempt. There is also no need for chalk anymore.






Tramp Steamer said:
Actually, the cue ball isn't important at all, ktrepal. As a matter of fact, we play One Pocket all the time without it. It speeds up the game, which saves us money, and there are no more cue ball fouls, saving us valuable time.
We've also noticed that our playing skills have improved enormously. One guy, who couldn't hit his ass with both hands, is pocking balls all over the place now.
If you were to ask me if I would ever go back to playing with a cue ball I'd have to say. "Hell no! It's too damn much fun this way." :smile:
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I agree

Tramp Steamer said:
Actually, the cue ball isn't important at all, ktrepal. As a matter of fact, we play One Pocket all the time without it. It speeds up the game, which saves us money, and there are no more cue ball fouls, saving us valuable time.
We've also noticed that our playing skills have improved enormously. One guy, who couldn't hit his ass with both hands, is pocking balls all over the place now.
If you were to ask me if I would ever go back to playing with a cue ball I'd have to say. "Hell no! It's too damn much fun this way." :smile:
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This is way my grandson plays me. He runs out almost every time in 8 ball,
but playing 9 ball he gets greedy and goes for a combination, that's my only
chance. I thought it was going to be the nuts playing straight pool and
I was going to break Mosconi's record but having to start all those racks
shooting jacked up on the second ball finally got me. Maybe finger extenders
jack
 
ktrepal85 said:
Obviously the cue ball makes a big difference. At one end of the spectrum you have the mud balls and fisher price balls that come with a valley bar box and at the other end you have the nicer cue balls such as the red dot, red circle, and a few others.

When you play in a professional grade tournament they always specify the tables, usually diamonds, and the balls, cyclops or aramith, and the rack, but I never hear them specify the type of cue ball.

Isn't the cue ball one of the most important things?

Obviously it's assumed that it's going to be a nicer cue ball but doesn't it make a difference as to which nicer cue ball it is? Is it a red dot, red circle, blue logo, red logo, blue spot, red spot, etc...?

I never hear anyone inquire about the cue ball. Is it really that important after all?
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The cue ball should to be identical in size and weight to the object balls. That's the important thing. And unfortunately, that doesn't always happen.

I still don't understand why Aramith doesn't make the red circle and the measle ball identical to each other and also identical to the object balls.
 
ktrepal85 said:
I just saw the flyer for the US Open 10 ball and 8 ball and the cue ball is not specified...
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Did you actually READ lou's post?

Just because you have never heard players talk about the CB does not in any
way change the fact that many players do indeed care a lot about which specific
CB is used - and make an effort to find out if they don't already know.

Also, there is a general assumption that the CB will match the ball set being used.
Which is probably more important than one CB vs another.

Dale
 
ktrepal85 said:
I just saw the flyer for the US Open 10 ball and 8 ball and the cue ball is not specified...
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That same flyer, on the left hand side, shows Cyclop as one of the sponsors of said event. Perhaps a Cyclop CB?

Lou Figueroa
just guessing
 
And, while you're at it, ktrepal, if all balls are manufactured the same size, including whitey, then why, over time, does the cue ball grow smaller than the rest? :)
 
ineedaspot said:
The cue ball should to be identical in size and weight to the object balls. That's the important thing. And unfortunately, that doesn't always happen.

I still don't understand why Aramith doesn't make the red circle and the measle ball identical to each other and also identical to the object balls.
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I thought the measle ball WAS identical in weight etc to the Super Aramith object balls. Am I wrong?

The red circle is lighter, but some people seem to like it for the extra draw action they can get, so there is a market for the ball.

Gideon
 
As Johnny Archer said in a TAR interview when asked about his CB preference: "It doesn't make any difference. We're professionals; we'll adjust to whatever cue ball."

Would a player actually make the decision to play/not play based on the CB that's being used? If so, I rank him below me (C on a good day).
 
I prefer a cue ball that is the same weight and size as the rest of the balls. If it has to be different, I would prefer it be heavier and bigger rather than lighter and smaller.

Aloha.
 
ineedaspot said:
The cue ball should to be identical in size and weight to the object balls. That's the important thing. And unfortunately, that doesn't always happen.

I still don't understand why Aramith doesn't make the red circle and the measle ball identical to each other and also identical to the object balls.
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The cue ball should be the exact same as the object balls in every regard. That is what a matched set is. To take it to an extreme, why not mix object ball form different sets?

The red circle is made of a different blend of phenolic & is lighter in weight. It is easier to draw & more difficult to make follow & requires a different method to follow with accuracy. It's more 'bouncy' & does not react the same coming out of the collision due to all of those factors combined.

Earl once had a 'fit' when he went to play a match & found the match cue balls to be different than the warm up tables. He asked, 'how can you expect me to play after warming up for more than an hour with a different ball.

This is just one reason that the game needs a 'true' governing body for at least the professional sport. Golf even has one for amateurs.

Best to You & All,
Rick
 
bdorman said:
As Johnny Archer said in a TAR interview when asked about his CB preference: "It doesn't make any difference. We're professionals; we'll adjust to whatever cue ball."

Would a player actually make the decision to play/not play based on the CB that's being used? If so, I rank him below me (C on a good day).
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The top pro players should get together & say that they will ONLY play with xyz cue balls & object balls. Then stick to that declaration.

That would be a good first step toward getting some continuity to the Pro Game & perhaps a 1st step means of forming their own association &/or governing body & not be at the total mercy of the promoters.

I understand that the promoters are all that is keeping the Pro Game breathing at this time but there needs to be some willing 'partnership' between the two. One does not exist without the other.

How many times do you people in golf interviews say that they have partnered with X?

How can the game advance if the parties involved can not even agree on what the official balls of the game should be.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
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Funny stuff here. Not all red circle cue balls are exactly the same.

And object balls are not all the same and not perfectly round.

Too much talk about everything being the same when in reality,

hardly anything is the same. If you measure over the numbers

on a ball, it will be larger than if you measure the other way.


Nothing is perfect in the game of pool. Now about all those different racks....:eek:
 
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