If you really want to know how Shanelle Lorain plays

[buddha162]

Maybe you just hate women

There you go, I just hate women. :thumbup2:

When I posted I didn't realize that she was sponsored, or that the event was open. I didn't need to know any of this: I saw a player who obviously cannot compete with the competition. Knowing that it was an open event, and knowing that CW probably pushed for her entry doesn't change my feelings re Shanelle, but it does present other targets for this atrocious showing.

I've never made the same rants about the men, simply because I've never seen a match where the circumstances are comparable. If I had, you bet I would have the same opinion.

As for your long, convoluted post on Jeannette Lee: I am in violent agreement with you there. Everyone who thinks they are making a good point comparing Shanelle with Jeannette: you're pushing at an open door as far as I'm concerned.

 

[maldito]

So how did Shanelle do at the SBE - did she win a few matches??

 

[justadub]

Seems to me that some folks hete are rather resentful, and jealous.

The lady doesn't play pro speed, she and everyone else knows it. she appears to try hard to do her best. She appears to be very respectful to the game, her opponent and the tournament. She is everything we want our professionals to be, saving the fact that she doesn't play at their speed yet.

Why all the furor and angst about the fact that she has the means to enter these tournaments? Did she take your spot?

Very few of us get what we feel we "deserve". But most people that attain noteriety and success at anything, usually do something right.

To keep complaining about Shannelle makes you seem petty and jealous. That was an open-ended "you".... If the shoe fits, wear it.

 

[buddha162]

She is everything we want our professionals to be, saving the fact that she doesn't play at their speed yet

Rofl, that sounds about right. She is everything we want our pros to be, except she can't run 3 balls. The rest of us are just jealous, or we just hate women!

Translation: I don't care if she can't run 3 balls, she is hot.

 

[Icon of Sin]

So how did Shanelle do at the SBE - did she win a few matches??

Did she compete there? I saw her at the Pred booth playing a Scotch rack with Raj... that didnt seem to be going to well.

 

[Spider1]

But Jeanette is making something like 20 times (!) as much as Vivian, and it is because of her looks. Do you think if Jeannette was ugly she would be where she is? Hell no. And arguably (not really so arguably) Vivian has a way better personality.

I'd disagree there.

Vivian comes across as egotistical and showboating in every match I've seen her in over the years. It's annoying watching a match and having to sit through her showboating, jawing, then sitting and making these caricature facial expressions while her opponent is shooting. I admittedly don't watch the women play too much, but I've noticed it over the years, and no matter what you say about her, Jeanette Lee handles herself with class at least. So I'm not sure how Vivian has a 'way better personality'.

Just my opinion.

 

[justadub]

Rofl, that sounds about right. She is everything we want our pros to be, except she can't run 3 balls. The rest of us are just jealous, or we just hate women!

Translation: I don't care if she can't run 3 balls, she is hot.

If you want to be that shallow, fair enough.

Or, you could stop worrying about why this one or that one has some adventageous position that you covet.

Or you could be resentful of beautiful people in general.

Or you could just like to piss and moan.

Shannelle playing in a tournament isn't the worst thing in pool today. It would be fantastic if that were the worst of our problems. She's earning some money in our favorite pastime, and she gets invites because she's an attractive spokesperson for pool-related businesses.

Do you rail at espn for having erin Andrews on their college football studio shows?

This ain't new. Won't stop here, either. Tilt on, don Quixote

 

[mia]

She is everything we want our professionals to be, saving the fact that she doesn't play at their speed yet.

So, what you're saying is...

She's the perfect representation of a professional pool player, despite the fact that she's a horrible pool player.

 

[buddha162]

If you want to be that shallow, fair enough

You've got it backwards: YOU'RE the one who's being exceedingly shallow. You're giving her a pass because she looks good, end of story. Every other excuse given is just that: excuses. I don't care if she's good for the game, good for CW, good for exposure etc...she can't run 3 balls. The end.

 

[justadub]

So, what you're saying is...

She's the perfect representation of a professional pool player, despite the fact that she's a horrible pool player.

I'm saying she is a great representative for a pool-related business.

How many other pool players get major endorsement deals? Answer, one. Jeannette Lee.

If more professional players acted the part, perhaps thete would be more endorsement deals for them, too. Perhaps corporate America might be interested in sponsoring pool events if there were more "professional" players representing themselves as well as Shannelle and jeannette do.

Look, I realize she looks out of her league playing in these tournaments. What I don't understand is why people get their panties in a bunch over it. How many "deserving" pro's lost out on the chance to play in an event because Shannelle was entered? If there became a situation where there were people losing the ability to enter the tournies, then you might have a case. Short of that, it's all pettiness, sour grapes and jealousy.

At least to me.

 

[mia]

I'm saying she is a great representative for a pool-related business.

Believe me. I get what you're saying. But she's not a great representative for pool-related business because (wait for it) she's NOT a great pool player! She's not even a good pool player. The fact that she endorses Poison makes me think that maybe, just maybe... Poison ain't so great. If they put their money behind a D player, maybe Poison isn't the stuff of champions.

You see what I'm saying?? A great representative for a pool-related business should be someone who has a presence in pool, be it a player, a cuemaker, a case maker, a promoter, etc. REGARDLESS of what he or she looks like. Just sponsoring a pretty face with no game kind of takes away from the game.

 

[justadub]

Believe me. I get what you're saying. But she's not a great representative for pool-related business because (wait for it) she's NOT a great pool player! She's not even a good pool player. The fact that she endorses Poison makes me think that maybe, just maybe... Poison ain't so great. If they put their money behind a D player, maybe Poison isn't the stuff of champions.

You see what I'm saying?? A great representative for a pool-related business should be someone who has a presence in pool, be it a player, a cuemaker, a case maker, a promoter, etc. REGARDLESS of what he or she looks like. Just sponsoring a pretty face with no game kind of takes away from the game.

I'm sure you realize that Poison is interested in selling pool cues to as many people as they can, not just "serious" pool players.

That is how marketing and advertising works. Get as many potential customers attention as possible.

I somehow doubt they are losing any sleep over the possibility of losing a few potential customers because they dared sponsor someone who doesn't play terribly well. Comparing that small number to the number of people who do recall their name due to their sponsorship is a no-brainer.

 

[michael4]

But she's not a great representative for pool-related business because (wait for it) she's NOT a great pool player! The fact that she endorses Poison makes me think that maybe, just maybe... Poison ain't so great.

A great representative is........ whoever the company chooses to hire!
There are no "talent tests" for reps.....
Kim K (etc, etc) reps for lots of stuff and has no talent in anything.

I do beleive however, you have the right not to buy something if you dont like how the company markets itself.

 

[schmizz]

This thread is officially getting old! :boring2:

 

[ShootingArts]

asinine?

Your posts are hardly worth reading, let alone addressing. It's clear to anyone paying attention that my problem is Lorrain not playing at a pro LEVEL. Your attempts to define "professional" in this context is purely asinine.

I hope she gets better and reaches that pro level. But until that happens, she shouldn't subject pool fans to subpar pool in a professional tournament.

Asinine is describing Jeanette Lee as "yellow feverish slut"and indicates where your real problem may lay. Odd that you have repeatedly discussed Jeanette Lee, first mentioned in my post, yet you choose to dodge everything else. Jeanette Lee has succeeded using a niche sport as her primary vehicle by hard work, determination, brains, and yes looks. Looks alone doesn't go far as demonstrated by all the beautiful waitresses you allege to be in NYC.

You can't have professional athletes without a professional sport. At this point eating is more of a professional sport than pool is in the US. If they aren't professional athletes you have to look at the other definitions of professional. Most can comprehend this, obviously you can't. At the most basic level a professional profits from their efforts.

You appear to be one more yapper on the sidelines that doesn't have the heart to play a major event or get in the pit with a top level player but wants to knock those that do. From what I have seen of the level of play in the early stages of lady's events I doubt seriously if Shanelle always goes two and out. Even if it were true, 25% of the field goes two and out in every double elimination event.

If you are such a great player that being forced to watch poor play offends you, man up, find all the heart you can, and change the channel or turn off the stream for a little while when a player isn't up to your lofty standards for watching!

Hu

 

[mia]

I'm sure you realize that Poison is interested in selling pool cues to as many people as they can, not just "serious" pool players.

That is how marketing and advertising works. Get as many potential customers attention as possible.

I somehow doubt they are losing any sleep over the possibility of losing a few potential customers because they dared sponsor someone who doesn't play terribly well. Comparing that small number to the number of people who do recall their name due to their sponsorship is a no-brainer.

I DO realize that. But you do realize that this kind of contradicts your original point. Right? She's NOT a great representative of professional pool. She's just a pretty face being marketed to the masses. See how that works??

 

[schmizz]

I DO realize that. But you do realize that this kind of contradicts your original point. Right? She's NOT a great representative of professional pool. She's just a pretty face being marketed to the masses. See how that works??

How many serious pool players shoot with a Poison cue? The designs are targeted to a "very young" market. Could you imagine somebody like Mike Massey being the spokesman for Poison Cues holding up his neon green breaker? They want someone that their target audience can relate to and that's Shanelle. I really don't know why some of you seem so personally involved and angered by her success, are you jealous that you don't get to hold up the neon cue in pictures? Should that be you? Who cares? Can't you just be happy for someone?

 

[justadub]

I DO realize that. But you do realize that this kind of contradicts your original point. Right? She's NOT a great representative of professional pool. She's just a pretty face being marketed to the masses. See how that works??

She certainly garnered sponsorships at least partially by having a pretty face. Agreed.

Representing pool is more than that, it's being respectful to your opponents, and to the fans. Even the ones who are jealous and/or resentful of her limited success....

 

[mia]

How many serious pool players shoot with a Poison cue? The designs are targeted to a "very young" market. Could you imagine somebody like Mike Massey being the spokesman for Poison Cues holding up his neon green breaker? They want someone that their target audience can relate to and that's Shanelle. I really don't know why some of you seem so personally involved and angered by her success, are you jealous that you don't get to hold up the neon cue in pictures? Should that be you? Who cares? Can't you just be happy for someone?

Its got nothing to do with being jealous of her success. But when streaming events for pool players to watch (Note: NOT just the teenage kid who played pool two or three times last year), people want to see GOOD pool. Not just one decent player matched up with someone who is a pretty face. If you wanna stick her face on product posters and catalogs all day long, so be it! But just make her a spokesmodel. Don't enter her in tournaments under the guide that she's a "pro player".

It would be the same as having Venus or Serena Williams play round one of ANY major tournament against Kate Upton. Because Kate would look great in a miniskirt.

You want to have Kate endorse Wimbeldon??? GREAT! You'd get a LOT more viewers. But putting her on the court doesn't make her a good representation of the game or the pros who work hard to play at that level.

 

[justadub]

Someone far more connected to pool events than I must be able to cite examples of players entering the us open who didn't have a prayer, but entered because they could.

I am merely speculating, but I believe it is highly likely.