If you were to rate the top 100 players in the world.....

[iba7467]

Do you mean Kelly Fisher?

Corrected Vette. Thank you. Apparently a few wires were crossed this morning.

 

[JB Cases]

karen corr shoud be on the list, shes has many high finishes on the Joss NE9BT and is the only woman to have ever won one their tourneys.

Ben

She won two of them and has conistently finished high in most of the events she plays in. Allison beat Tommy Kennedy to win one of his stops.

Allison, Karen, Kelly Fisher, Xiao Ting Pan, Jasmin Oushan, are all among the top 100 players on Earth, in my opinion. And that is WITHOUT competing full time against the boys. The top men compete against each other constantly and that drives them to get better. Women are actually BARRED from competing against the men full time.

 

[JB Cases]

Kelly Fisher has a standing offer to play any woman for $20,000. None of the women have accepted the challenge. Brian White has offered to play Kelly Fisher for more than $20,000 and she has not accepted. BWizzle is far from the top 100 players in the world. I certainly believe the women play very well and this gap may be reduced in coming years, but men are far ahead on the learning curve just from pure numbers and time.

No one has been critical of anyone else's opinion so far, but I would be glad to provide a list if called upon; and yes I would be glad to bet on a long set or multiple sets.

Kelly does not have a standing offer to play any other woman for 20 dimes. I have a standing offer to back Kelly in this game IF any woman wants to play.

Brian White is regarded as an undercover top player. If he wants to make a fair game with Kelly since he has mucho gambling experience and she doesn't I will be glad to back her in that game as well. You all have Brian stealing if they play even so come up with a fair game and you can take my money. IF Kelly wins then we can adjust and do it again.

I will take the six out and alternate breaks. We can make it the first $40,000 TAR match. I bet Jeremy (Instroke75) could get the six out from Brian and he thinks he's better than all the women too.

 

[Cornerman]

Kelly does not have a standing offer to play any other woman for 20 dimes. I have a standing offer to back Kelly in this game IF any woman wants to play.

Brian White is regarded as an undercover top player. If he wants to make a fair game with Kelly since he has mucho gambling experience and she doesn't I will be glad to back her in that game as well. You all have Brian stealing if they play even so come up with a fair game and you can take my money. IF Kelly wins then we can adjust and do it again.

I will take the six out and alternate breaks. We can make it the first $40,000 TAR match. I bet Jeremy (Instroke75) could get the six out from Brian and he thinks he's better than all the women too.

Based on your post John, does that mean you do or you don't think that Kelly Fisher would be in the top 100? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you're saying that she needs the 6-out. Or maybe you (not she) needs the 6-out?

Fred

 

[corvette1340]

Kelly does not have a standing offer to play any other woman for 20 dimes. I have a standing offer to back Kelly in this game IF any woman wants to play.

Brian White is regarded as an undercover top player. If he wants to make a fair game with Kelly since he has mucho gambling experience and she doesn't I will be glad to back her in that game as well. You all have Brian stealing if they play even so come up with a fair game and you can take my money. IF Kelly wins then we can adjust and do it again.

I will take the six out and alternate breaks. We can make it the first $40,000 TAR match. I bet Jeremy (Instroke75) could get the six out from Brian and he thinks he's better than all the women too.

lol, first you say that Kelly is in the top 100 and then you say she needs the 6 out from Brian? LMFAO. Brian is no where near the top 100 in the world . Hell, he is like the 5th best player in his hometown. He works 45 hours a week and never plays. If you really believe that Kelly is in the top 100 then she should have no problem beating Brian. We can definitely do it on TAR also. I can escrow our end with one left click of my mouse button. Let me know.

 

[ccshrimper]

This is silly, JB Cases says he is willing to bet but only if there is NO chance he can lose. 6 out and the breaks??? Have you ever bet anything in your life or are you just a lockup artist? On one hand you say the women are in the top 100 and brag about how you will bet it up, but you want the nuts in the other hand...

 

[dirtypool40]

She won two of them and has conistently finished high in most of the events she plays in. Allison beat Tommy Kennedy to win one of his stops.

Allison, Karen, Kelly Fisher, Xiao Ting Pan, Jasmin Oushan, are all among the top 100 players on Earth, in my opinion. And that is WITHOUT competing full time against the boys. The top men compete against each other constantly and that drives them to get better. Women are actually BARRED from competing against the men full time.

I'm not jumping into the pissing contest like the last few posts, but I will politely point out some areas I respectfully disagree.

She Beat Tommy Kennedy. That's cool, a major accomplishment by any measure. But I saw Tommy beat Dennis Hatch 2 sets to win one a "few" years ago. If you want to play hip bone connected to the knee bone and your girl wants to play some long sets heads up with the hatchet man, I think you'll find as much action as you want.

Also as to them being barred from playing in the "open division" I don't buy it. ANY animal on this planet that wants to sign up and rumble all year against the best in the open division, can do it. Yes, some promotion may try to discourage it, making their small pond seem like the only place to play, but we know better.

If the next Efren or Siegel was a woman, she'd know where there the real action was and leave the rest of the girls in the small pond and go beat on the boys to win some real titles.

 

[JB Cases]

Based on your post John, does that mean you do or you don't think that Kelly Fisher would be in the top 100? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you're saying that she needs the 6-out. Or maybe you (not she) needs the 6-out?

Fred

I said that Brian White is considered by everyone to be the MUCH better player. My OPINION of whether Kelly is in the top 100 players in the world is irrelevant. Obviously I am wrong. Therefore I am waiting on an offer of what everyone thinks a fair game between VAST UNDERDOG Kelly Fisher and Brian would be.

Brian himself has challenged all the women of the world to gamble so he obviously thinks he has the best of it. I agree. So the fair thing to do is offer a proper handicap to the weaker player to make it gambling and not stealing.

Since Kelly is such a weaker player the six out seems more than fair. But again, let the community make the line. What do you think a fair game between Brian and Kelly should be?

 

[JB Cases]

This is silly, JB Cases says he is willing to bet but only if there is NO chance he can lose. 6 out and the breaks??? Have you ever bet anything in your life or are you just a lockup artist? On one hand you say the women are in the top 100 and brag about how you will bet it up, but you want the nuts in the other hand...

I am only responding to the chauvinism. The women are weaker. Brian is better than all the women is the line. So what do you think is a fair game for the much stronger player to give the weaker one?

I don't brag about how I bet it up. When I chose to bet I bet what I want to bet. I haven't gambled for anything serious in years. In this case I'll take a shot against the better player if he will make it a fair game. I certainly can't claim to know more than the crowd regarding Brian White's game vs. Kelly's. So I take what you all have to say to heart and agree that Brian is much better than all the women.

So again, what is a fair game, if I am asking for too much then what should the game be to be fair?

 

[JB Cases]

I'm not jumping into the pissing contest like the last few posts, but I will politely point out some areas I respectfully disagree.

She Beat Tommy Kennedy. That it cool, a major accomplishment by any measure. But I saw Tommy beat Dennis Hatch 2 sets to win one a "few" years ago. If you want to play hip bone connected to the knee bone and your girl wants to play some long sets heads up with the hatchet man, I think you'll find as much action as you want.

Also as to them being barred from playing in the "open division" I don't buy it. ANY animal on this planet that wants to sign up and rumble all year against the best in the open division, can do it. Yes, some promotion may try to discourage it, making their small pond seem like the only place to play, but we know better.

If the next Efren or Siegel was a woman, she'd know where there the real action was and leave the rest of the girls in the small pond and go beat on the boys to win some real titles.

She'd want to but she would be BARRED. Right now if the best pool player on Earth were a woman she wouldn't be allowed to play in the Barry Behrman US Open, she wouldn't be allowed to play in the Matchroom WPA World Championship. She wouldn't be allowed to win a UPA Tour event.

You all always bring this back to action. My point is that the top women can and do take sets from the top men. And a woman who is capable of beating Efren in any given set is a top player. Sure Dennis Hatch is a better gambler, he was raised to be one, might be the youngest road player ever. But all of the top women are at worst 60/40 underdogs to beat him in any given race to 9 in a tournament.

There is still a double standard being applied.

 

[JB Cases]

lol, first you say that Kelly is in the top 100 and then you say she needs the 6 out from Brian? LMFAO. Brian is no where near the top 100 in the world . Hell, he is like the 5th best player in his hometown. He works 45 hours a week and never plays. If you really believe that Kelly is in the top 100 then she should have no problem beating Brian. We can definitely do it on TAR also. I can escrow our end with one left click of my mouse button. Let me know.

I believe that Brian is the better player. So what is a fair game? Make an offer I can't refuse and I will post my side with TAR - mine takes a few more mouse clicks and passwords though and maybe even a trip to the bank.

I think Brian is easily one the top 50 players in the world, maybe even could be top ten if he wanted to be. So make a fair game.

 

[Cornerman]

So I take what you all have to say to heart and agree that Brian is much better than all the women.

So again, what is a fair game, if I am asking for too much then what should the game be to be fair?

Personally, I have no idea. I just wanted to know where you thought Kelly was in the world non-gender specific rankings.

Fred

 

[tanco]

Sure Dennis Hatch is a better gambler, he was raised to be one, might be the youngest road player ever. But all of the top women are at worst 60/40 underdogs to beat him in any given race to 9 in a tournament.

There is still a double standard being applied.

You think Kelly should get the 6 out from Brian White. Then you state the top women are at worst 60/40 dogs in a race to 9 against Hatch?

 

[JB Cases]

Personally, I have no idea. I just wanted to know where you thought Kelly was in the world non-gender specific rankings.

Fred

I already said that I consider Kelly to be one of the top 100 players in the world. That doesn't mean she is one of the top 100 gamblers in the world.

In a non-gender world Kelly Fisher is one of the most talented people to ever play pool. Given the same opportunities and having started at the same age I believe that she would be far better than she is now. I feel the same way about Allison and Karen as well.

But it's a numbers game certainly. I am sure that if the IPT would have thrived then it would have been very difficult for the ladies to keep their tour cards. Just too many good men against too few good women. However, it might also have come about that Allison and company would have gotten better through the increased competition and proved that they do indeed belong to the world's elite.

Whatever else you might want to say about the IPT they did at least offer the promise of gender neutrality. And lest we forget Jasmin Ouschan earned her spot by winning a tough qualifier. And "retired" Loree Jon Jones put an 8:0 on Thorsten Hohmann, with a five pack in there.

When Ocullo won 8:7 against Kelly in one of the IPT events he was genuinely impressed with her play and told her she plays good. She should have beaten him but made a few errors. Errors I bet she wouldn't be making once she got comfortable. How many shortstops would fold against Orcullo?

Anyway, I digress. The only way to find out if any woman is in the top 100 is to have an equal amount of tournaments with more than 100 players and let them play. Not happening in the still chauvinistic world we live in.

 

[JB Cases]

You think Kelly should get the 6 out from Brian White. Then you state the top women are at worst 60/40 dogs in a race to 9 against Hatch?

In any given tournament match. Gambling, Dennis would crush most players male or female.

I said I'd take the 6-out. I don't hear a counteroffer?

 

[corvette1340]

I believe that Brian is the better player. So what is a fair game? Make an offer I can't refuse and I will post my side with TAR - mine takes a few more mouse clicks and passwords though and maybe even a trip to the bank.

I think Brian is easily one the top 50 players in the world, maybe even could be top ten if he wanted to be. So make a fair game.

a fair game is even. You think that Kelly is top 100 in the world and nobody thinks that Brian is top 100. I bet that Brian can name a few hundred people that he wouldn't play but Kelly is not one of them.

The board is not being chauvanistic but only telling the truth. The women cannot compete with the men on a regular basis. They might win a short race in a tournament every now and then, but no woman could win a long race like the TAR matches against anyone in the top 100 men.

Look at golf. Michelle Wie is still trying to compete with the men in tour events without the upper teir of the PGA and still doesn't even come close to making the cut. There are literally a couple of thousand men in the world that could spot her 2 a side on a tour caliber course.

 

[CrownCityCorey]

.....how many players in the top 100 would be women??

I got the idea for this poll from the US Open thread and got to wondering how many and which women would make your top 100?? List the women you think would make your list if you care to. Answers are private


The question should read:

"If you made your list of the top 100 players in the world how many women would be on it??"


This is the first poll I've ever posted.....please bear with me people :embarrassed2:

Top hundred world-wide? I am not sure there would be any women on that list.

 

[memikey]

Given that there can't be any real serious consideration given to the possibility of there being an absolute maximum of 3 women on the list at best.........


.......perhaps a similar question as regards how many male USA players would be on the 100 list might spark more debate and/or interest?:smile:

 

[matta]

"If you made your list of the top 100 players in the world how many women would be on it??"

I think this is pretty settled. I won't pick a number though.

Here is a thread where Reed Pierce offers any woman in the world the 7 ball if they bet $10,000 or higher.

The 7-ball!!! Now I will admit, he is a past champion. A past US-Open winner no less. However, this guy hasn't seriously competed in 10 years. His "AZ Player Rank" 815. I think it would be very difficult to currently consider Reed one of the top 100 in the world.

Yet here is #815 offering any woman in the world the 7. Also, if you read that thread, no women chime up take the offer. No one has taken the offer.

It is pretty cut and dry if you ask me.

 

[Ktown D]

I think Brian is easily one the top 50 players in the world, maybe even could be top ten if he wanted to be. So make a fair game.

John, I like you man but you are way wrong on this. I like Brian and think he is a great player but he is nowhere near the top 50. He would be hard pressed to make the top 250.