Those people at Brunswick don't know a thing about pool. I can't figure out how they have stayed in business so long.
If your cues have EVER been damaged because of the case you use, post your story here
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Those people at Brunswick don't know a thing about pool. I can't figure out how they have stayed in business so long.
Mark Smith of Mark Smith Custom Cues refinished my one of a kind Joss Cue. He can be reached at www.marksmithcues.com
He will verify that I brought him a Joss cue to be refinished and that he had seen the Joss a few days prior and it had the normal dings and scratches from normal play. The ivory joint was also cracked and he was scheduled to replace it.
On the day that I was taking the Joss to him I was in a hurry and grabbed the nearest case to me which happened to be a Vincintore Whitten knockoff that was brand new and unused. I had recieved several of these in a trade deal with Leonard Bludworth at the Windy City Open earlier in the year.
I watched in horror as the bottom came out and my Joss slid through a ring of nail points on the way out of the case. I when it had reached the floor I pulled it the rest of the way out gingerly.
Starting at the buttcap and extending almost all the way up the wrap were fairly deep scratches.
Kind of an ironic thing to happen to a case maker. Mark was as disgusted as I was.
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Other people have shared their stories with me in private. The majority of them are AZ members. If they care to then they will share them here.
However I believe that they can see Watchez that you started this thread with the intent to ridicule anyone who does share a story and to further demean me.
It's ok. That's how you are and that's totally cool. It takes all kinds of people to make a world - yin and yang - for every person like me who gets on a soapbox there needs to be people like you who question them - that keeps everyone honest.
I have always said that people should inspect things and make up their own minds.
In billiards though there is no chance to inspect the inner workings of a cue case.
As one poster mentioned, the old Brunswick cases had raw rivets exposed on the inside of the cases. In 1920 they didn't have seatbelts either on cars.
Thank you for the added attention though. Keeping this topic in discussion does get people to think about it. I don't think that another thread was needed but thank you for it.
He will verify that I brought him a Joss cue to be refinished and that he had seen the Joss a few days prior and it had the normal dings and scratches from normal play. The ivory joint was also cracked and he was scheduled to replace it.
On the day that I was taking the Joss to him I was in a hurry and grabbed the nearest case to me which happened to be a Vincintore Whitten knockoff that was brand new and unused. I had recieved several of these in a trade deal with Leonard Bludworth at the Windy City Open earlier in the year.
I watched in horror as the bottom came out and my Joss slid through a ring of nail points on the way out of the case. I when it had reached the floor I pulled it the rest of the way out gingerly.
Starting at the buttcap and extending almost all the way up the wrap were fairly deep scratches.
Kind of an ironic thing to happen to a case maker. Mark was as disgusted as I was.
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Other people have shared their stories with me in private. The majority of them are AZ members. If they care to then they will share them here.
However I believe that they can see Watchez that you started this thread with the intent to ridicule anyone who does share a story and to further demean me.
It's ok. That's how you are and that's totally cool. It takes all kinds of people to make a world - yin and yang - for every person like me who gets on a soapbox there needs to be people like you who question them - that keeps everyone honest.
I have always said that people should inspect things and make up their own minds.
In billiards though there is no chance to inspect the inner workings of a cue case.
As one poster mentioned, the old Brunswick cases had raw rivets exposed on the inside of the cases. In 1920 they didn't have seatbelts either on cars.
Thank you for the added attention though. Keeping this topic in discussion does get people to think about it. I don't think that another thread was needed but thank you for it.
I drank a case of beer one time , stumbled and bent the joint pin.
Does that count?
Justin Nuder
Dont know where your getting your information from Ross, because you have never had to do 120 push p/u in 2 min..
and I am just going off memory here, but I think it was like 78 or 80 p/u in 2 min, 85 or 87 s/u in 2 min, and to max the run for my age group (21-26)was like 12:40 or so....I think the best ever time i did was a little slower than what you did...maybe you might need to go back and read that FM 21-20, cause your numbers dont match.To be honest, I never maxed the PT test in Basic or AIT..and I think over my time in the military, I am guessing maybe 4-5 PT test i did not max, but if I didnt max the PT, i did get 90 or over...(except in Basic and AIT).....and all of this is going off my foggy memory of PT tests...it has been 12 or so yrs ago when I got out, and 24yrs since I went to basic...so the numbers may be off a touch, but not that much.
As far as the EIB....yea, I did look like a Goober with just my fireguard badge and an EIB. I believe we took company and individual pics the day after the EIB awards ceremony, so I couldnt sport that super kewl AAM I got also for being 1 of maybe 10 or so in the battalion for getting the EIB. I had been at my unit a total of 3 weeks and didnt even know what the hell an EIB was...squad leader asked if I wanted to try out for it and I remember saying, Sure, what is it...lol. Long story short, I got it.
And dont be hating on my super kewl long assed hair!
I think I was rockin the scales at around 190 back then...
Also, I was 11B
Hey Big perm....I know your talking about Bonnie Plowman also arent ya :grin:
Hopefully one day I can meet you when I am down in Irving at my sis in laws....I usually go to Clicks on Skillman when I am down
My Bad.....and Yea your right there brother:grin:
Beavis voice on - uhhhhhh, you said Plow - Beavis voice off
Lemme know when you are coming into town....will hook up with ya.....you gotta spot me every ball on the table....
After reading more of this thread, and seeing the honesty of some posters being questioned, I feel that I should admit that I've never drank a whole case of beer , in one evening, in my life.
Probably never more then 13 or 14 beers, and then only if I had supper, because without supper we're talkin 7-8 tops.
I tried to remember if I had supper the night I screwed up my cue, but the truth is I just don't know cause I was pretty hammered.
Justin Nuder
Probably never more then 13 or 14 beers, and then only if I had supper, because without supper we're talkin 7-8 tops.
I tried to remember if I had supper the night I screwed up my cue, but the truth is I just don't know cause I was pretty hammered.
Justin Nuder
One time me and JB were watching a all girl mud wrestling contest at Randolph's in Hickory NC and I was carring a cheapo case and got mud on my shaft. I didn't find out till a few days later and the case smelled like poop when I opened it so next time I'll take a garbage bag just in case I stumble into the wrong room again.--Leonard
Wasn't my cue, but still pretty funny
It was somewhere between '77 & '80 that Bob Meucci introduced a one butt - two shaft case with the guts being of some high density foam. They worked ok for cues with smaller than normal butt diameters (like the Meucci's), but put a Joss, Scruggs, McD or others in, and the case formed a death grip around the butt.
Anyhow, I'm at Marino's room in Bridgeville PA just as the first shipment arrives. Either Tubby, Earl Robinson, or Calcane sees a burgundy case - which did look good - and grabs Tom S's top of the line Joss West (the ebony one with ivory windows, joint, and buttcap) to make sure it will "fit".
They jammed that poor cue so far in, less than 1" of the butt was visible. Then the Hoover vacuum principle took over. We tried everything to get that cue out, to no avail, it wouldn't budge.
Jimmy then remembered that his dad had some tools in the back. He disappears for a minute, then returns with at least 2 pairs of channel locks and a pipe wrench.
Well, after about 20 minutes, the butt did come out, but it took pouring some lighter fluid into the case (to loosen the foam), then grabbing the butt with the pipe wrench and pulling like hell.
The cases were returned to Meucci shortly thereafter.
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It was somewhere between '77 & '80 that Bob Meucci introduced a one butt - two shaft case with the guts being of some high density foam. They worked ok for cues with smaller than normal butt diameters (like the Meucci's), but put a Joss, Scruggs, McD or others in, and the case formed a death grip around the butt.
Anyhow, I'm at Marino's room in Bridgeville PA just as the first shipment arrives. Either Tubby, Earl Robinson, or Calcane sees a burgundy case - which did look good - and grabs Tom S's top of the line Joss West (the ebony one with ivory windows, joint, and buttcap) to make sure it will "fit".
They jammed that poor cue so far in, less than 1" of the butt was visible. Then the Hoover vacuum principle took over. We tried everything to get that cue out, to no avail, it wouldn't budge.
Jimmy then remembered that his dad had some tools in the back. He disappears for a minute, then returns with at least 2 pairs of channel locks and a pipe wrench.
Well, after about 20 minutes, the butt did come out, but it took pouring some lighter fluid into the case (to loosen the foam), then grabbing the butt with the pipe wrench and pulling like hell.
The cases were returned to Meucci shortly thereafter.
FAIL
Its ok, Justin. From what I have read, beer drinking does impair you some...so i am taking it that you are drinking right now...is that why your not admitting to haven stotgunned 18beers? Its ok, we forgive you!
I have often been told that Joe Porper got the idea for the foam core cases from Bob Meucci. Leonard Bludworth and a few others have told me that over the years.
Leonard says that he helped Joe Porper out with his foam injection machine - something to do with calibrating the mixture or something. I don't know.
Anyway.......... this makes my point perfecty.
Be careful what you stick your pole into because you just don't know what's in there.
I have a real story....
It was a cold wet Seattle night... I was walking from my car to the pool hall and I threw my trusty custom made leather 2x4 case over my shoulder. In it was only about $4k worth of cues. I'd been carrying this case for the better part of 18mo with no issues (that I knew of yet).
As I almost get to the door, I feel something hit the back of my leg as I was walking. I turned around and nothing was there.. I look behind me - nothing... well 5 steps later I hear a "thud" and the entire bottom fell out of my case.. Fortunately that bottom was the inner tube (shell) for the 2x4 and it hit the ground. As it slid out of my case, luckily the cues stayed inside and didn't go rolling around a concrete parking lot.
Cues spared. I called the casemaker, he said to send it back and he'd fix it. After a bit of use, the tacks used to hold the bottom in gave way and he had to replace with new one. I'm glad it was a tube case - what if it wasn't?
Anyways, this same case did damage the forearm of one of my cues.. It took a few chunks out of the finish. It took 3x for me to realize exactly how it was happening, but the snap that held the thing closed would fly back up and hit the forearm as I was "shaking" the shafts out since the tubes weren't recessed....
Yes, cues can become damaged by cases. I used to laugh at John's madness about cue protection because I took care of my stuff. But shit happens.
I don't own a case made by John Barton. I never have. I have owned cases made by everyone else in the attached pic...... but John is making me a new case currently, and soon one more to follow. I'd rather not risk the integrity of "that cue" you see in my avatar, Watchez...
edit - who can name every case?
It was a cold wet Seattle night... I was walking from my car to the pool hall and I threw my trusty custom made leather 2x4 case over my shoulder. In it was only about $4k worth of cues. I'd been carrying this case for the better part of 18mo with no issues (that I knew of yet).
As I almost get to the door, I feel something hit the back of my leg as I was walking. I turned around and nothing was there.. I look behind me - nothing... well 5 steps later I hear a "thud" and the entire bottom fell out of my case.. Fortunately that bottom was the inner tube (shell) for the 2x4 and it hit the ground. As it slid out of my case, luckily the cues stayed inside and didn't go rolling around a concrete parking lot.
Cues spared. I called the casemaker, he said to send it back and he'd fix it. After a bit of use, the tacks used to hold the bottom in gave way and he had to replace with new one. I'm glad it was a tube case - what if it wasn't?
Anyways, this same case did damage the forearm of one of my cues.. It took a few chunks out of the finish. It took 3x for me to realize exactly how it was happening, but the snap that held the thing closed would fly back up and hit the forearm as I was "shaking" the shafts out since the tubes weren't recessed....
Yes, cues can become damaged by cases. I used to laugh at John's madness about cue protection because I took care of my stuff. But shit happens.
I don't own a case made by John Barton. I never have. I have owned cases made by everyone else in the attached pic...... but John is making me a new case currently, and soon one more to follow. I'd rather not risk the integrity of "that cue" you see in my avatar, Watchez...
edit - who can name every case?
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Good post Ross....like the saying goes.....Chit does, and Can happen. I just cant afford to take any chances on my cues...Like alot of other people should.
I think John tends to over react some, but he is very passionate at what he does, and he obviously cares about the cues that go into his cases....John will be making my wife a case very shortly and I know her cue will be protected as best it can inside the case.
Man, I remember band camp.....Gawd...what was her name.....she was a rifle girl......from Lebanon Mo......man...oh man
Instroke - Justis - Thomas - George - Melton - Murnak - Fellini - Thomas - Centennial - George - Guiseppe
Did I win the washing machine?
haven't had any cosmetic damage done by my George, but I'm almost certain that case has made my cues play worse....gotta blame misses on something!!! 