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[vapoolplayer]

With the infinite argument….

We can say that if we flipped an infinite amount of coins an infinite amount of times, then at some point we would start an coin that infinitely landed on the same side.

Since infinite includes all possibilities no matter how small the odds.

Which gets into the realm of being ridiculous just to be “correct.”

 

[BJTyler]

That’s not true at all.

10^301 is such a crazy small chance, it could easily never happen.

It *should* happen. But it doesn’t have to.

If we want to get into this type of talk, I could easily say that it could happen 3x in a row, or even it would happen in 10,000 tosses it would land on heads because we flipped for infinity.

Just because the odds aren’t a true zero, doesn’t mean it has to happen.

That’s why I said “essentially guaranteed”.

Agreed that with any finite sample. No matter how large, 1000 in a row need not happen.

However, I can always choose N large enough, where the probability of getting 1000 in a row across N trials is greater than p. Where p is any number <1.

 

[BJTyler]

With the infinite argument….

We can say that if we flipped an infinite amount of coins an infinite amount of times, then at some point we would start an coin that infinitely landed on the same side.

Since infinite includes all possibilities no matter how small the odds.

Which gets into the realm of being ridiculous just to be “correct.”

Yes…it’s called math.

 

[Jaden]

I just want to bet something

Ok if you insist. I'll bet 1,000, we'll put one of your lambos behind one of the doors at random and a goat behind the other two. I'll choose, you show me one of the doors, 1/3 of the times I have to stay with my original pick, the other times, I can choose whether to switch or not. After 100 tries, if I have more correct tries than not, I get the lambo. If I have less correct guesses, you get the $1,000.

Jaden

p.s. I get to play with another $1000 as many times as I like...

 

[Jaden]

With the infinite argument….

We can say that if we flipped an infinite amount of coins an infinite amount of times, then at some point we would start an coin that infinitely landed on the same side.

Since infinite includes all possibilities no matter how small the odds.

Which gets into the realm of being ridiculous just to be “correct.”

Yeah, it would also land on its edge an infinite number of times...

Jaden

 

[book collector]

Guys, there’s literally a Wikipedia page for this.

It’s not a new question. This is ages old.

The only reason it’s not a casino game is that it’s too much of a sucker’s bet for enough people to fall for.

Let's say I am a bookie and I build in a 10% charge on every winning bet. People have rode that horse for over 150 years.
Now say I told you one morning , it's not 10% any more it's 50, plus I am going to take another 20 to 60 % if you win big to build a nicer clubhouse and pave the parking lot and whatever else is needed.
Do you think anyone in the world is dumb enough to take that gamble?

 

[Fatboy]

Guys, there’s literally a Wikipedia page for this.

It’s not a new question. This is ages old.

The only reason it’s not a casino game is that it’s too much of a sucker’s bet for enough people to fall for.

Monte has been dead for decades too

 

[Fatboy]

Let's say I am a bookie and I build in a 10% charge on every winning bet. People have rode that horse for over 150 years.
Now say I told you one morning , it's not 10% any more it's 50, plus I am going to take another 20 to 60 % if you win big to build a nicer clubhouse and pave the parking lot and whatever else is needed.
Do you think anyone in the world is dumb enough to take that gamble?

Yes, that’s exactly what they have done in Vegas. The hold % is 6x higher than when the mob ran the town and the suckers still line up.

It’s astounding people still give casinos action. One would think the internet would wake them up. Sites like wizard of odds and the like.

But nope, they still go and lose more $ faster.

I just don’t get it

Fatboy

 

[vapoolplayer]

That’s why I said “essentially guaranteed”.

Agreed that with any finite sample. No matter how large, 1000 in a row need not happen.

However, I can always choose N large enough, where the probability of getting 1000 in a row across N trials is greater than p. Where p is any number <1.

Also, infinite is abstract.

Which has no basis in our actual reality unless we can confirm it’s existence. IE, we aren’t sure the universe is going to be infinite or not.

You’re just introducing abstract ideas into a conversation for semantics.

When you know exactly what we are saying. That his justification that “even with a 1,000 plays there’s no guarantee of winning” is completely false.

You are literally guaranteed to win if you play 1,000 times and not being cheated.

You’ll find that when you give posters like him an inch, he’ll take a mile. Which is why you don’t placate the “I’m technically right because infinity” when the odds are effectively zero in the real world.

He’ll probably be back soon to say “your 66% doesn’t exist either if it’s one try” as we have now opened the abstract door. And he will use the logic incorrectly.

 

[vapoolplayer]

Yes…it’s called math.

Some would call it Philosophy.

At best it’s not applied mathematics *in this example*.

 

[BJTyler]

Some would call it Philosophy.

At best it’s not applied mathematics *in this example*.

Also, infinite is abstract.

Which has no basis in our actual reality unless we can confirm it’s existence. IE, we aren’t sure the universe is going to be infinite or not.

You’re just introducing abstract ideas into a conversation for semantics.

When you know exactly what we are saying. That his justification that “even with a 1,000 plays there’s no guarantee of winning” is completely false.

You are literally guaranteed to win if you play 1,000 times and not being cheated.

You’ll find that when you give posters like him an inch, he’ll take a mile. Which is why you don’t placate the “I’m technically right because infinity” when the odds are effectively zero in the real world.

He’ll probably be back soon to say “your 66% doesn’t exist either if it’s one try” as we have now opened the abstract door. And he will use the logic incorrectly.

my bad … it looks as if I brought shit to a piss fight … squirt away.

 

[vapoolplayer]

my bad … it looks as if I brought shit to a piss fight … squirt away.

You waved infinity as an “I’m right flag.”

 

[BJTyler]

You waved infinity as an “I’m right flag.”

Nope…just trying to insert some rigor…obviously a total waste of time.

 

[straightline]

What's not obvious is how the con can do that.

pj
chgo

The special qualities of a con. You know there is a whole field of telepathy. On a scientific level, it's just, let's call it narrow band quantum communication. It's teasing publicly now but old as time.

 

[straightline]

Actually, that is a lack of thought experiment. The dealer may WANT to trick the player, but he limited to 2 possible courses of action. He can reveal a door with the goat, in which case you double your chance by switching, or he can reveal a door with the car, in which case the player loses whether or not he switches. There is no scope for the dealer to be deceptive.

He is a telepath.

 

[BJTyler]

The special qualities of a con. You know there is a whole field of telepathy. On a scientific level, it's just, let's call it narrow band quantum communication. It's teasing publicly now but old as time.

Ok..now I’m done with this thread.

 

[straightline]

More gibberish.

You’re making shit up that doesn’t even make sense now.

Keep dancing and entertaining.


For entertainment purpose, tell us all how in your fantasy, any dealer could perform the scenario you started with (showing the player one) and somehow be a game of wits?

If dealer shows a card, the player should always swap. No matter what dealer says or does.

It’s a winning strategy no matter what. Unless dealer has odds on money or is cheating.


You have chosen an extremely easy scenario with only 9 possible outcomes. Which all but prevents the dealer from doing anything especially fancy.

Ignorant pis. You drink a lot? You want to confine the description of gambling to arithmetic? People just leave their minds at home and use the numbers - maybe the green frog, no wonder the casinos are a conglomerate.

 

[straightline]

Ok..now I’m done with this thread.

You should read up on the vastness of the mind while you're away.

 

[vapoolplayer]

Ignorant pis. You drink a lot? You want to confine the description of gambling to arithmetic? People just leave their minds at home and use the numbers - maybe the green frog, no wonder the casinos are a conglomerate.

I want you to enlighten use with your idea of how the dealer is going to convince the player to change cards when he has the right one and keep cards when he has the wrong one.

Since you keep bringing it up. But then stamping your feet when you don’t get whatever answer you apparently want.

So, tell us…..what’s your take on this apparently complicated problem?

 

[vapoolplayer]

Ignorant pis. You drink a lot? You want to confine the description of gambling to arithmetic? People just leave their minds at home and use the numbers - maybe the green frog, no wonder the casinos are a conglomerate.

Also, it’s the opposite in reality.

If they would leave their minds at home except for math, casinos would be broke as no one would play.

Poker would be non existent for the most part, because people wouldn’t make retarded bets and calls.

Using math is the opposite of what you want players doing if you’re a dealer.