I'll admit it...I can't play with a wrapped cue.

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Impact Blue

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LOL, j/k, I just don't like relying on beeswax, not to mention the mess all over my hands and cue.

Can some tell me the price and procedure of putting a unstained curly maple handle in place of my linen handle on a Schon STL-1? Trying to keep the same weight and balance point.

(can changing the handle affect the hit? if so, a firmer one would be awesome.)
 
Before going under the knife you may want to consider other options. A leather wrap plays much differently than linen...much like a no wrap cue. The leather sticks in your hand and allows the looser grip like a no wrap. Also having the linen cleared over like Meucci is an option. I'd choose either of those before I had the handle replaced. Truthfully...you may be well advised to purchase a different cue before cutting your Schon. With the low prices now on cues its the ideal time to get what you want...and you may come out cheaper than rebuilding the Schon...and happier.:wink:
 
I had Ryan at Rat Cues do a stack leather on one of my old Schons, and it feels like it has no wrap. Leather is so polished , that how it feels. Fantastic job. Jim
 
Also keep in mind if someone changes the handle besides Schon, Schon will not work on that cue again. For whatever this is worth.
 
These are all very good points. And, yeah, I was very much considering havnig Rat cues put a good natural colored stack on my Schon.

I really don't know why it's in my head, to be honest. Maybe it's because I just spent a grip on it, and I'm not happy with lack of ability to adjust right away.

I'm sure it'll come in good time. But the stack wrap would look sick!
 
I think clearcoating over the linen is the best way to go. I, too, prefer wrapless cues and I've played with a Meucci (clearcoated linen), leather, and stack-leather, and only the Meucci was anywhere near the same; in fact I could hardly tell a difference.

Going that route should also be the cheapest.
 
Also, I might add, the black with white fleck linen is...um...my least favorite? The overall look just seems to cheapen the birdseye, I dunno.

I was thinking white with green fleck sprayed, or really a curly or cored flame maple would just set it off.

But I know little about the construction of cues, and really anything about a production Schon, i.e., weight bolt placement.

Would something like this be in the $200 ballpark? What if I found the wood?

I think I could get the playability results I like with modifications, LD shaft withstanding. I'm just more worried that if I invest some for results that look great, but I don't like as much, as knowing that a wrapless handle would do the job for more and only one time.
 
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If you want to swap I have a leather wrap or a wrapless Jacoby for the STL-1
Also have an OB-1 that will fit the wrapless
 
Impact Blue said:
or really a curly or cored flame maple would just set it off.

Would something like this be in the $200 ballpark? What if I found the wood?
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Not in the ballpark. Many cuemakers would charge $150 just to refinish and replace the linen. Very very few would run the risk of using your wood and that really doesn't save you anything as its the labor you'd be paying the most for.....I'd even guess that most would decline the work.
 
Cutting the handle out you run a big risk of ruining the forearm. Can be done but you might wind up with NOTHING except expensive firewood.
 
I have done similar jobs. It's work but not all too complicated or dangerous. But for the price it would cost to do it, you'd be better off ordering it directly from Schon in terms of a new cue with wrapless handle. Better yet, buy a custom for $350-$500 from a respected & reputable builder, and sell your Schon. Doing the job you want would be $500 on the low side if done by a reputable builder.
 
first thing i would do it try pressing the linen again. if that doesnt work go with leather. i am spoiled by leather. the only linen i like is old cortland.
 
Often times when I have taken on jobs like this one, it has come back to bite me in the ass. I once replaced a handle on a cue for a local player. He had asked me to remove the linen wrap & call him about what wood was used UNDER the wrap. I called him & told him that it had Maple under the wrap. He had heard that Purpleheart was far superior for handle wood. I explained the differences of both woods & he told me to replace it with the Purpleheart. I did & he hated the cue & never stopped telling people how I had RUINED his cue. I wouldn't touch this job again for any amount of money...JER
 
qbilder said:
I have done similar jobs. It's work but not all too complicated or dangerous. But for the price it would cost to do it, you'd be better off ordering it directly from Schon in terms of a new cue with wrapless handle. Better yet, buy a custom for $350-$500 from a respected & reputable builder, and sell your Schon. Doing the job you want would be $500 on the low side if done by a reputable builder.
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Yourself and Blackheart on dead on the money, Tap, Tap.
 
ive replaced only 2 handles in my time. needless to i was scared to death and i did not want to do it. luckly they came out perfect. i was not happy about taking on the jobs but i did. i can see more bad then good tho.

the pph story sucks. plays know little or nothing about making yet they want what they want. when you give it to the its not good enough. then to bash you...wow. i had the same thing with a guy. he wanted moori softs. knowing the guy i told him "you wont like them" like 3 different times he said "thats what i want.' next week he says these tips suck. told you!!! now everyone is cracking jokes and busting balls like i did something wrong.
 
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Okay. It's obvious that cue construction is well beyond my understanding. But I trust you guys, so, I'll just have to play with the wrap for as long as possible.

If I sell it where the market is now, there is no way I could get the amount I just paid for this...thing. LOL. Naw, it's not that bad. And leather, I've heard very harsh sides to that story, at least when you are expecting a like-wrapless.

What do you builders think about having the wrap finished, similiar to a Meucci? I heard a suggestion here about that.

edit: the hit of this cue is good. What's my deal? If I change the taper, or maybe shaft and ferrule, it could be perfected....
 
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dave sutton said:
ive replaced only 2 handles in my time. needless to i was scared to death and i did not want to do it. luckly they came out perfect. i was not happy about taking on the jobs but i did. i can see more bad then good tho.

the pph story sucks. plays know little or nothing about making yet they want what they want. when you give it to the its not good enough. then to bash you...wow. i had the same thing with a guy. he wanted moori softs. knowing the guy i told him "you wont like them" like 3 different times he said "thats what i want.' next week he says these tips suck. told you!!! now everyone is cracking jokes and busting balls like i did something wrong.
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Hi Dave
I think almost everyone who offers repairs has gone thru this. All we can do is provide options, when they don't listen, Charge him again. It's call Customer edumacation, :rolleyes:
 
okay, okay...final question:

Is it possible to have a stack wrap sprayed, or however it is applied, with a shellac, PPG gloss, or finish (permanent solutions) as the closest resolve to a wrapless cue?

I can't imagine that it would change the balance or hit any.

Please and thank you.
 
Yes, you could finish over a stack wrap, but it would be a waste.
My preffered handle is oiled wood. No wrap, no finish.
 
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