Of course it is. What's SE?
Shifted English - Instead of Parallel English which does not exist as a method that works at all. When you apply side spin your cue is ALWAYS crossing the aim line and is NEVER parallel to it. Assuming you are trying to make the shot with minimal swerve.
It's a system for compensating squirt. Of course they all end up in the same position. There's only one successful position for any shot.
Ok then all methods are systems and all systems are methods. Whatever. What you use is a system as well then, whatever that is.
The "laziness" I speak of isn't about making shots. It's about habitually choosing familiar position plays and overlooking alternatives that aren't part of your BHE repertoire because you don't develop your creative skills. Maybe it isn't true, but I responded to the comment "I don't know why anybody wouldn't use BHE" - that's why I wouldn't (and because I already have another way).
What is my BHE repertoire? You imply that you can do something with whatever you use that I can't or imply (again) that there are shots which can be made using your way that cannot be made using BHE. So in the end you make a supposition based on a fallacy which you could find the true answer to in less than one hour on the table. In less time than you have spent pondering what evils BHE "might" pose you could have simply found this out for yourself and saved us both time.
I'm explaining my own preference in response to an assertion that BHE would be good for anybody. I don't think that's so and I'm an example of that.
Yet you don't KNOW that BHE wouldn't help your game because you refuse to try it and find out. You're only an example of a curmudgeon not an example of someone who has tried it and found it not to be suitable for your game. I would expect that IF you did actually try it and didn't like it that you could come here and tell us why that is instead of postulating on why that might be.
But does he or she have the same number of places another player does?
Yes.
Frankly, John, you're one of the people I had in mind when I said system users may not be best able to analyze them. No offense - you're a smart, thoughtful guy - but analysis isn't your strength.
What makes you think that my statements here aren't based on my analysis of results through my own testing? At least I am trying to DO the things I am talking about.
You can't just give one of these systems a quick trial and expect to learn something about it; you have to devote the time to get at least minimally proficient at it or you haven't really tried it. I'm too busy in my limited pool time working with my own successful methods.
Really? You can't spend ten minutes setting up shots and moving your grip hand an inch to the left and shooting? It's funny but whenever I get together with my pool buddies and we start discussing this stuff someone always learns something. But fine ok I can accept your excuse that your pool time is so precious that you would rather argue whether something has merit or not than to actually try it in the one universe that you do actually have some control in - on the table. So by your statement above you should give way to the folks have DEVOTED the time to learning how and why BHE works. But no, you would rather inject all these ideas about what might be wrong with BHE instead of just staying out of the discussion.
I don't think investigation is your strength either.
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Once again you make an assumption without fact. I know that I can at least claim to have tried whatever it is that I am speaking about. My perception might be skewed, I might be making the wrong conclusion about what is happening but at least I am OPEN to that being the case and when someone like Mike Page, or Fred Agnir, or Colin Colenso can point out what to look for in my testing then I can do that and sometimes come to a different conclusion. However at least I am actually doing the exercises to attempt to understand them from a physical and personal experience perspective.
My employees often make the same mistake you do. They think that the result of doing g will be y without ever having done g. I tell them to try it because ONLY by trying it will they know if they are right and that will tell them what not to do as well as possibly provide them with another way to do whatever the goal is. And it often happens that they are right that what they thought would happen does. And it also happens that they are wrong and the method is fine. And it happens that they discover new ways of doing things that no one has thought of before simply by trying new things.
So I completely reject your assertion that I don't investigate these things. I have been investigating BHE for seven years since Hal showed it to me. In those seven years I have asked many professionals if they use it or have ever heard of it and many of them say that they use something like it - none of them ever told me that they heard the term Back Hand English. So it exists and is not just the figment of some old man's imagination.
What have you done in that time except to not try it and interject opinions as to why it might not work?
I'd feel real stupid if I were alone Pat, but I am not and there are many people who use BHE successfully. They don't accept your posturing on this issue either.
I'd like to ask you respectfully to simply withdraw from the discussion if you aren't even willing to try it.
This thread was started by someone who put up a video to show what they do, not to just talk about it. I put up a video showing what I am talking about. Where is yours? How much do you make an hour? I will paypal you double what you make in one hour to spend ONE HOUR doing BHE on video and telling us all about why it doesn't work. I don't really care I will pay you for ten minutes of you shooting shots with BHE and you can analyze with a million words after that.
