I'm tired of the FRAUD going on here!

This community seems to like the AzBilliards organizers. Why not let AZ manage transactions? Buyers send cash to AZ and suppliers send to AZ when deliverables are verified then everyone gets their new merchandise/cash. If one party fails AZ can handle refund before any serious stress is caused. Some book keeping and an account with a delivery service would be adequate. :wink:
 
If the sellers have a good I-trader history, I think it's safe to deal with them.

I-trader is great, but still be cautious. There has been a few that had quite a few good I-traders and still ended up scamming someone in the end.
 
I-trader is great, but still be cautious. There has been a few that had quite a few good I-traders and still ended up scamming someone in the end.

Ross is right.I feel the safest way is dealing through and 3rd party (escrow)Is becoming a great option
 
I have been partly involve in 2 deals that have cost my friends $3K+ each for high $$$ cues. Escrow Service right now is the only option. There will be very few on here that I and my friends will trust when buying cues from market.

When it comes to Cuemakers, they are not spared. I've been done over $3K+ from 2 Cuemakers and will be 3rd soon, which will go up $4K+ as I've given this CM until end of Oct to come thru. Another friend was done over 1K+ by another CM.

As you can see from the samples above and other peoples experience, scammers have no nationality, no particular line of work, etc... Just be careful, AZB is very helpful if you know which door to knock, what to search and what questions to ask.
 
Honestly JoeyA, I am not sure..

Now I hate to say this, but my wife caught a 12# and a 11.5# the following day......she cant fish with me anymore:grin:

Our pond was stocked and it has some nice sized fish in it now....nice crappy, bass, sunfish....HUGE catfish....my dad fed the catfish dogfoor for about 8yrs straight...when he would walk up and throw a handfull of food out for them, i am serious, it was like piranah....it was kewl to watch

Brother.......... I'm gonna have to check out your pond.
 
Brother.......... I'm gonna have to check out your pond.

Your more than welcome to come on down Sung....for you, you can catch 2 and release 1...release the biggest one that is:grin:

Man, you need to come down and go catfishing with me at the Dam....I got a 42# today.........lots of meat on that big boy, a guy next to me pulled in a 57# cat
 
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I-trader is great, but still be cautious. There has been a few that had quite a few good I-traders and still ended up scamming someone in the end.

Funny thing about ITrader is......I noticed one guy that had a Scruggs cue for sale on here.....he had 0 ITrader.....another guy that I am not going to name, stated that the seller was a good guy, and not to be bothered about his 0 Itrader....if you looked at the time stamp that was said he was a good guy...then not even a minute later, the seller had 1+ Itrader from his buddy....

It was obvious that he gave ITrader so he had at least 1 positive one...so the ITrader cant really always be trusted either
 
So far I have had nothing, but good deals on here. It is really on the honor system though and even the best people can get themselves into a jam. So long as I am being communicated with I won't raise a stink.

I did sell a cue to a member on here who never paid up, but that was on eBay and he never got the cue because he didn't pay up. My guess is that he was going to get it on the cheap from me on eBay, flip it on here and send me the money. I guess he didn't think about the cardinal rule: No money......no cue.
 
So far I have had nothing, but good deals on here. It is really on the honor system though and even the best people can get themselves into a jam. So long as I am being communicated with I won't raise a stink.

I did sell a cue to a member on here who never paid up, but that was on eBay and he never got the cue because he didn't pay up. My guess is that he was going to get it on the cheap from me on eBay, flip it on here and send me the money. I guess he didn't think about the cardinal rule: No money......no cue.

Yea, I have had nothing but good deals on here also....Just gotta be careful tho.....
 
I-trader is great, but still be cautious. There has been a few that had quite a few good I-traders and still ended up scamming someone in the end.

I agree. I recently made a trade offer for someone selling a cue. He had several good iTrader reviews with a good rating and no negative feedback. I sent the cases and never received the cue. He claims it was shipped. He stated he would return the cases. I never received those either. He has since stopped responding to my PM's, but still logs into AZB every other day. Be careful, even with good iTrader. Deal in person or escrow is the best!
 
My take on this:

I tend to trust most people. However, I never bet a game or set without posting the cash. It's like an unspoken rule when I was playing. No air barrels get fired, and anyone can leave whenever they want. That's pro poker, too.

As for cue-makers, ONE big deposit, and ONE late deadline gets your name tarnished. Maybe it was legit, maybe not. I tend to question anything like this, especially when they won't contact you before a problem comes up. A maker has his reputation. That's ALL he has for coin in the realm. The pool circles are remarkably small. I like the way Ted Harris does it. He's gone a lot, and his customers don't mind a delay or two, BECAUSE he's not holding their dough. The ones that demand a huge deposit, and then many delays, have about ruined their reputation, IMHO>

I do it both ways. However, if a guy doesn't have a great rep, and wants a big deposit, I usually pass. Life is too short. Sure, you can protect yourself through escrow, and a PP dispute, but why mess with that? There are other makers, just as good.

Of course, some buyers are flaky, too. But they don't have any leverage. They don't send money good, they don't get their stuff. If it's not too unique, it can still be sold, often for a better price anyway. I always get an estimated finish, and a date certain a month or so later. That's all my patience will allow.

I think revealing good transactions are great stuff for this forum, and I read it all. And I pass it on to those that ask me about a maker. One bad transaction can get you out of business, pretty fast.

There's a guy on ebay that was selling a cue I've wanted for years. However, his negs said often times he wouldn't complete, because he didn't get a good enough price. He COULD have set a reserve, but tried to play cute. I would have bid $100 more than the winning bid, except for those 3 negs. I told him so, too. FWIW and your YMMV.
 
Interesting thread. I'm in the process of completing a cross-country new cue purchase (my first). After agreeing on terms, the gentleman PM'ed me asking if I played in a certain tournament that he had also played in. I had met him before. Imagine his embarrassment if the deal went south and I knew who he was. Imagine my embarrassment if I failed to pay. Where has personal accountability gone? It's sad this poster felt this thread was necessary. It's sad, but true!

Lyn
 
Interesting thread. I'm in the process of completing a cross-country new cue purchase (my first). After agreeing on terms, the gentleman PM'ed me asking if I played in a certain tournament that he had also played in. I had met him before. Imagine his embarrassment if the deal went south and I knew who he was. Imagine my embarrassment if I failed to pay. Where has personal accountability gone? It's sad this poster felt this thread was necessary. It's sad, but true!
Lyn

I have dealt with an AZ'er in person once, and it was a smooth transaction! I actually would prefer to deal in person rather than via e-mail and over the internet, but it just makes shopping around too easy...
 
There area alot of guys on here that I would trust sending a few k to for a cue. I have only sold one cue on here and we did bank wire for that one. The buyer in that case sent the dough and I sent the cue the next day. (thanks again Berny!)

AZ has more good people than scammers on here. Its just like in a real life pool room though, so you have to proceed with caution or suffer the consequences.
 
You can keep all sales safe from fraud by going through an intermediary.That way no one gets ripped off.
 
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