Improve Your Play To Pro Level Without Aiming

[paultex]

This is the second time you've made tough guy threatening posts to me in your third language . Do you think it's funny? No, not at all.

Then why am i not banned? Ill accept it as a matter of language but intent is questionable only to warped and dangerous minds.

It is questionable if you even believe it because ive had others read my "threats" as hyped by you and they laugh at your claims being feeble, BUT dubious more so.

One of those people works in law and although not a lawyer or undecided of being one in the future, he is certainly qualified to assertain language and intent. My threats are nerf pepples ping fingggg pewwww!

Now for DUBIOUS and dangerous. For instance, you brought up a certain someone in response to a legit question i had and gave you. It is not clear if my question was "bait" or sincere. Still, there is a viable door you can choose that offers balance and fairness.

What choice did you offer me? I did not even ask for one and your response, even in a vacuum, is dubious and since we dont live in a vacuum, now we can speak real language and enter the equation of history, evidence, the big picture: STOP: analyze.......COMPLETE:

FACT: You are beguiling at the very least in reasonble terms and assumptions.

So, when one stirs a hornet hole with a stick and said one is stung, who is the threatened party?

There is a imbalance i allow myself in terms with payment and owe when i deal with you. You are in no moral or righteous position to claim anything otherwise and your attempts at "winning" are extremely dubious, OR, you are not of sound mind.

I owe you nothing sir in any way shape or form. You are not "pool" in reasonble realities if one breaks it all down maturely and can accept facts.

I have contributed more than most to this endeavor, succeed or fail in accomplishment, because that aspect had nothing to do with facts of what is actually there and its reasonable and unreasonable demands and requirements and so far, all my claims are valid, fresh, or factual.

For instance, eyes and pocket orientation and fascinations are actually the biggest enemy in this endeavor of.....AND I QUOTE:

"Visual and physical game"......END QUOTE.

Cut your dominant eye out with a butter knife and smash your teeth into the pocket and bust them out in chards on video, and i shall name thee the king of kings, savior of "pool".

Show me, i shall follow without question.

This is what you owe. Your imbalance to me requires this. This is how much in debt you truly are. You are a guru, a collector, a false prophet and unfortunately not a superstition.

Ok, off to the tables and have a great day!

 

[Dan White]

Then why am i not banned? Ill accept it as a matter of language but intent is questionable only to warped and dangerous minds.

Paul - what the hell are you talking about? Lord knows I have my differences with Spider, but he actually does know a lot about the game and seems to really want to be a contributing member of AZ. You, on the other hand, continue to spew out unintelligible crap and semi-racist comments for no apparent reason. I think I read exactly one of your posts in the last week where you sounded like a normal person that I could understand.

For someone who spends so much time at the table (supposedly) you must have good information to share. Unfortunately, your posts are so confusing and poorly presented that I've resorted to skipping over anything you post. For instance, why the hell do you position your elbow in different positions for different shots? I THINK that is what you do but really have no idea.

I know you can explain yourself clearly when you want to. If and when you get to that point I'll start reading and learning from your posts (not that anybody really cares what I do).

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Then why am i not banned?

Because I'm a little slow sometimes.

Enjoy your vacation.

 

[Mkindsv]

I liken the way I play pool to riding a mountain bike. I know, it sounds silly but hear me out.

As you are riding at 32 miles per hour down the side of a mountain on a track you have never ridden before, think about the calculations your brain must go through and the speed at which it must perform those calculations to keep you upright, on course and out of harm's way to the best of your ability. You just peaked over the top of a 13 foot climb that had a 6 foot drop off the back side that runs off to your left for 7-8 feet, a switchback approaches with cliff-side exposure and 27 separate but distinct obstacles in your path in the next 20 feet and one wrong move and you are sliding down the side of the mountain with your brains all over your handlebars. How many intricate moves, slight touches and crazy saves will have to be made to pull all of this off??? Just one, getting on the bike and going forward. You've ridden countless numbers of trails with infinite possibilities of layouts and obstacles as well as weather issues and exposure. At some point what comes in front of you, regardless of it's breadth, is really no surprise and you tackle it head on without truly getting deep into thought a single time.

Once you have made a shot 140,000 times, you know that shot, you are intimately familiar with every action that can happen up to and after the shot with a few minor calculations that your brain does without you even knowing about it. Tor Lowry calls it automatic aiming, others call it being "In the zone". There is a time, when you allow it to, that your subconscious brain will take over and leave you bewildered as to how you pulled that stretch of 6 break and runs off, or how you got off that mountain in one piece...I've even had times where I didn't know how the hell I made it to work on my 31 mile drive because I had driven the route so many times that my subconscious brain got me there while my conscious brain was somewhere completely different.

You should look up the video "Your Brain is a lousy pool player", by David Sapolis on youtube...he can explain it quite well.

But OP's original thought was to assign everyone AIMER/NON-AIMER nametags...and it isn't that easy. Does everyone aim??? I believe so. Does everyone use an aiming system?? Maybe, maybe not. I personally believe that automatic aiming is an aiming system/method, but I certainly don't believe that everyone thinks of it as such, hence the arguments and craziness always present in the aiming forums.

I also believe that your brain is like a computer. Once you type a program or function into your computer, you do not have retype the function or formula or program into your computer every time you turn it on or want to use that function, formula or program. You simply hit Alt-f4 and the function happens, very much the same thing happens when you are riding a mountain bike, or shooting pool, you take a look at the shot, your brain pulls up what you need to do, you execute.

Simple as that.

 

[BC21]

I liken the way I play pool to riding a mountain bike. I know, it sounds silly but hear me out.

As you are riding at 32 miles per hour down the side of a mountain on a track you have never ridden before, think about the calculations your brain must go through and the speed at which it must perform those calculations to keep you upright, on course and out of harm's way to the best of your ability. You just peaked over the top of a 13 foot climb that had a 6 foot drop off the back side that runs off to your left for 7-8 feet, a switchback approaches with cliff-side exposure and 27 separate but distinct obstacles in your path in the next 20 feet and one wrong move and you are sliding down the side of the mountain with your brains all over your handlebars. How many intricate moves, slight touches and crazy saves will have to be made to pull all of this off??? Just one, getting on the bike and going forward. You've ridden countless numbers of trails with infinite possibilities of layouts and obstacles as well as weather issues and exposure. At some point what comes in front of you, regardless of it's breadth, is really no surprise and you tackle it head on without truly getting deep into thought a single time.

Once you have made a shot 140,000 times, you know that shot, you are intimately familiar with every action that can happen up to and after the shot with a few minor calculations that your brain does without you even knowing about it. Tor Lowry calls it automatic aiming, others call it being "In the zone". There is a time, when you allow it to, that your subconscious brain will take over and leave you bewildered as to how you pulled that stretch of 6 break and runs off, or how you got off that mountain in one piece...I've even had times where I didn't know how the hell I made it to work on my 31 mile drive because I had driven the route so many times that my subconscious brain got me there while my conscious brain was somewhere completely different.

You should look up the video "Your Brain is a lousy pool player", by David Sapolis on youtube...he can explain it quite well.

But OP's original thought was to assign everyone AIMER/NON-AIMER nametags...and it isn't that easy. Does everyone aim??? I believe so. Does everyone use an aiming system?? Maybe, maybe not. I personally believe that automatic aiming is an aiming system/method, but I certainly don't believe that everyone thinks of it as such, hence the arguments and craziness always present in the aiming forums.

I also believe that your brain is like a computer. Once you type a program or function into your computer, you do not have retype the function or formula or program into your computer every time you turn it on or want to use that function, formula or program. You simply hit Alt-f4 and the function happens, very much the same thing happens when you are riding a mountain bike, or shooting pool, you take a look at the shot, your brain pulls up what you need to do, you execute.

Simple as that.

I think you're right. Being "in the zone" is when your subconscious is pulling near-perfect data from storage based on present sensory inputs. This data goes into the working area of the brain where conscious thought compares it to current sensory conditions, makes any adjustments or judgments, then gives it a thumbs up for action.

When in the zone (whether downhill biking at 30+ mph, driving a car from point A to point B for the millionth time, or playing pool, or whatever) sometimes our conscious is simply overseeing the work area, approving action with a slight head nod, no interference needed pertaining to the data our subconscious is pulling from storage.

While things are running smoothly like this, the conscious (realizing everything is going just fine) may even indulge itself with thoughts that have nothing to do with the sensory inputs coming in or the action our body is performing. This doesn't mean it quits paying attention to what the senses are picking up. It is always in the loop, but when the storage data is so thoroughly and accurately matched to present conditions, the conscious simply nods at the subconscious, as if saying, "You're doing a fine job...I'll just sit over here and monitor things a while, maybe sip on a cup of coffee or a rum-n-coke. Don't worry, if something doesn't look right or feel right, I'll let you know."

 

[BilliardsAbout]

* can run racks and never learned a formalized aim system - HAMB devotee/preaches HAMB even though never had to hit many balls to get there

* everyone else in the world--get a pool lesson, buy a pool book or DVD, watch YouTube, come to this forum

 

[BilliardsAbout]

I think it is self-evident that PJ isn't an APA 4. But if he was, I wouldn't discredit his deep and wide knowledge of aim systems and his knowledge of how our minds process aiming.

I'd rather have a lesson from the best basketball coach in the world than Michael Jordan. Something I never talk about on these forums, but feel like doing so now, is the number of pro players who hit people for $250 an hour for lessons and when asked for aim advice tell their students, "I aim by instinct, can't help you there."

Let's leave it there before I say something further about these "lessons" that I will regret (it's not just aim that is the problem).

In contrast, there are really solid pros out there who can teach, including on this forum. We all appreciate them.

Now, how about the mods add to the aim forum description, "A place where people come to learn and discuss. If you disbelieve aim systems can help struggling players, please don't post."

 

[lfigueroa]

I think you're right. Being "in the zone" is when your subconscious is pulling near-perfect data from storage based on present sensory inputs. This data goes into the working area of the brain where conscious thought compares it to current sensory conditions, makes any adjustments or judgments, then gives it a thumbs up for action.

When in the zone (whether downhill biking at 30+ mph, driving a car from point A to point B for the millionth time, or playing pool, or whatever) sometimes our conscious is simply overseeing the work area, approving action with a slight head nod, no interference needed pertaining to the data our subconscious is pulling from storage.

While things are running smoothly like this, the conscious (realizing everything is going just fine) may even indulge itself with thoughts that have nothing to do with the sensory inputs coming in or the action our body is performing. This doesn't mean it quits paying attention to what the senses are picking up. It is always in the loop, but when the storage data is so thoroughly and accurately matched to present conditions, the conscious simply nods at the subconscious, as if saying, "You're doing a fine job...I'll just sit over here and monitor things a while, maybe sip on a cup of coffee or a rum-n-coke. Don't worry, if something doesn't look right or feel right, I'll let you know."

A quibble: yes, when you're in the zone your wetware is functioning at max capacity but there is also the issue of all your hardware -- your body parts have to be aligning themselves properly in all three dimensions to make the zone happen.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

I think it is self-evident that PJ isn't an APA 4. But if he was, I wouldn't discredit his deep and wide knowledge of aim systems and his knowledge of how our minds process aiming.

I'd rather have a lesson from the best basketball coach in the world than Michael Jordan. Something I never talk about on these forums, but feel like doing so now, is the number of pro players who hit people for $250 an hour for lessons and when asked for aim advice tell their students, "I aim by instinct, can't help you there."

Let's leave it there before I say something further about these "lessons" that I will regret (it's not just aim that is the problem).

In contrast, there are really solid pros out there who can teach, including on this forum. We all appreciate them.

Now, how about the mods add to the aim forum description, "A place where people come to learn and discuss. If you disbelieve aim systems can help struggling players, please don't post."

I've taken lessons from Steve "Cookie Monster" Cook, Dallas West, and Ray Martin. Wouldn't pay nickel for lessons from "an instructor."

As Ray put it, "If you want to play like a champion, take lessons from a champion." Admittedly, some champions are poor instructors, but there are some that can and they have knowledge to share from playing at the highest level.

AND, there's nothing wrong with people participating here that aim in a manner that doesn't fit into one of your paradigms.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Now, how about the mods add to the aim forum description, "A place where people come to learn and discuss. If you disbelieve aim systems can help struggling players, please don't post."

This hasn't been introduced as a written rule, although it may be required soon.

 

[justadub]

AND, there's nothing wrong with people participating here that aim in a manner that doesn't fit into one of your paradigms.

Lou Figueroa

Of course, participation and information exchange is the point of a forum like this.

The problem becomes when people feel the need to tear down, rather than contribute. Disagreement is one thing, actively seeking to make the conversation combative is where we see things run into the ground here.

Same as it ever was....

The thing that baffles me is why it seems that not many can recognize the fact that anyone that does things in a consistent manner, repeatedly, is obviously using a "system". Doing things the same way. Whether intentionally and consciously, or by rote, from repetition...having found the delivery, and stroke, and PSR that allows them to deliver the cue the same way. It is a system. It may not be thought out, described and categorized, but it is a system. No one that plays regularly does so without having a method to how they do it.

The fight about it is alternatively amusing and maddening.

 

[MattPoland]

I think people have their approach and their experiences that developed that approach. It’s a very personal thing that has a lot of emotion attached to it. That emotion fuels a certain amount of derision to others and their over-complicated / misguided approaches. It’s no different than politics at this point. You can learn to discuss constructively and have enriching conversations with those that have a different approach yet have similarly developed that skill. But you will always encounter a new crop of people that haven’t developed that ability. The moderators may be able to set standards and enforce them, but a new crop of non-constructive commenters will always arrive. At that point the best you can do personally is to not engage with those exhibiting that behavior. It’s better to ignore them than to try to point out their flaws and spark a flame war with them.


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[BC21]

A quibble: yes, when you're in the zone your wetware is functioning at max capacity but there is also the issue of all your hardware -- your body parts have to be aligning themselves properly in all three dimensions to make the zone happen.

Lou Figueroa

Sounds right to me. It's a sense called proprioception. Without it you'd never know the position of your arms and legs.

So would you say "dead stroke" is the combination of all sensory inputs coming in and matching perfectly with stored knowledge, subconciously, all under conscious supervision but not being directly controlled by conscious effort? I mean, you're just doing it without trying to do.

 

[Low500]

Now, how about the mods add to the aim forum description, "A place where people come to learn and discuss. If you disbelieve aim systems can help struggling players, please don't post."[/QUOTE]
YES INDEED!
(and that alone will get rid of the hardheaded troublemakers)

 

[Dan White]

YES INDEED!
(and that alone will get rid of the hardheaded troublemakers)

Actually this forum has been quite normal lately. BB had a bug up his butt and got bounced but otherwise the only really negative posts have come from you. You just came back from SC and felt the need to criticize everybody without noticing that both pro and anti CTE people (the "hardheaded troublemakers") were getting along just fine... except for you.

 

[Dan White]

Now, how about the mods add to the aim forum description, "A place where people come to learn and discuss. If you disbelieve aim systems can help struggling players, please don't post."

If you think anyone here other than the occasional troll does not think that aiming systems can help struggling players, then you haven't been paying attention. I don't think your suggestion makes any sense at all. In fact, IMO there shouldn't be any restrictions on this forum other than profanity, threats, Fast Larry type mania and the like. The tag line for this forum is "argue to your heart's content" but they don't really mean that.

 

[lfigueroa]

Of course, participation and information exchange is the point of a forum like this.

The problem becomes when people feel the need to tear down, rather than contribute. Disagreement is one thing, actively seeking to make the conversation combative is where we see things run into the ground here.

Same as it ever was....

The thing that baffles me is why it seems that not many can recognize the fact that anyone that does things in a consistent manner, repeatedly, is obviously using a "system". Doing things the same way. Whether intentionally and consciously, or by rote, from repetition...having found the delivery, and stroke, and PSR that allows them to deliver the cue the same way. It is a system. It may not be thought out, described and categorized, but it is a system. No one that plays regularly does so without having a method to how they do it.

The fight about it is alternatively amusing and maddening.

I don't think anyone has a thing about "systems." I mean, there are systems for everything. How can anyone be against systems that make sense?!

Lou Figueroa
by golly

 

[lfigueroa]

Sounds right to me. It's a sense called proprioception. Without it you'd never know the position of your arms and legs.

So would you say "dead stroke" is the combination of all sensory inputs coming in and matching perfectly with stored knowledge, subconciously, all under conscious supervision but not being directly controlled by conscious effort? I mean, you're just doing it without trying to do.

ya but, I find that to a certain extent I have to be very conscious of some of the stuff I'm do to get into shooting position. If I do it all right, then it can be good or even very good, depending upon the day.

We don't have a time limitation on what we're doing shooting pool shots (generally speaking), so taking an extra two to three seconds to compose our bloody and mechanics is what I've found best.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

I don't get all the rabble rousing here lately. We've been talking about all kinds of good stuff from spots, and double the distance, and shish-kabab, to ghost ball, to PSRs, and some cool things about conscious and unconscious aiming.

There seems to only be one faction that has a problem with all that.

Lou Figueroa
now who
could dat be?

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I don't think anyone has a thing about "systems." I mean, there are systems for everything.

How can anyone be against systems that make sense?!

Lou Figueroa
by golly

They aren't, they use them happily and very well. The minority railing against certain systems don't use them, never used them, and it never made sense because minds were made up before they could make sense.