In defense of JR

[BRKNRUN]

When I took it, it came up "balanced." No surprise to me, given my daily activities. And, I think you'd agree, there's no way to "think ahead" the answers in some effort to tailor the analysis.

Fred

Interesting...I did not notice the link to the "brain test" the first time.

I took another test as I mentioned in a previous post that said I was "left brain" ....I just took the test on the link and it said I am "right Brain" .....(no cheating on either test)


I guess it depends on the day for me....Hell I don't even know if I am right handed or left handed.....go figure.......

 

[wayne]

Interesting...I did not notice the link to the "brain test" the first time.

I took another test as I mentioned in a previous post that said I was "left brain" ....I just took the test on the link and it said I am "right Brain" .....(no cheating on either test)


I guess it depends on the day for me....Hell I don't even know if I am right handed or left handed.....go figure.......

At least left handed or right handed has some basis in reality. If anyone ever saw what the left part of the brain and the right part of the brain actually looked like they wouldn't get caught up in that nonsense.

Wayne

 

[drivermaker]

Fred, you and Drivermaker should watch more Star Wars movies. Yoda can teach you. Just pay attention.

WW, pay attention to this. If I could have pounded your ass into the ground starting from 43 years ago up to present day without ever missing one single week on the pool table (which I could and would have), I don't need to watch shit other than hot looking chicks walking by. Yoda can bend his Gumby body around to kiss his ass and mine both on the same smooch.

 

[Timberly]

I just want to say...

This is one of the funniest freaking threads I think I've ever read!!

Side note... according to the link provided by Fred, I'm one of those left brained people. I agreed with damn near everything it had to say about me except the math part... LOL, me good at algebra... that's funnier than this thread!!

 

[sjm]

Jude is an outstanding ball pocketer, an outstanding pool player, and an outstanding person. There can never be enough guys like Jude in the poolhalls or on this forum. Anyone who knows him would agree with me.

Jude is also a scholar of the game whose opinions add a lot to this forum, and I do hope that some of the impolite posts he has had to endure on the subject of aiming don't discourage him from continuing to be a highly active member of this forum.

Stay the course, Jude.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Jude is an outstanding ball pocketer, an outstanding pool player, and an outstanding person. There can never be enough guys like Jude in the poolhalls or on this forum. Anyone who knows him would agree with me.

Jude is also a scholar of the game whose opinions add a lot to this forum, and I do hope that some of the impolite posts he has had to endure on the subject of aiming don't discourage him from continuing to be a highly active member of this forum.

Stay the course, Jude.

Stu, thank you very much for such kind words. It means a lot coming from a player I've always respected and admired.

 

[sjm]

In the final analysis, I think learning aiming may be something like so many other subjects. Those that learn the theory have a calculated and real advantage over all others in mastering the subject matter, but are not the only ones that ever master it.

In every profession, there are those considered among the most elite who never learned the theory behind trades and skills they mastered. Perhaps they did it the hard way, but they did it!

I have a lot of respect for those who advocate aiming systems, and feel they do so to help others become better players. For this I admire them. However, I also feel they should simulatneously acknowledge that mastery of aiming is. at very least theoretically, possible without reliance on systems.

 

[Timberly]

aiming is. at very least theoretically, possible without reliance on systems.

When I played I had never heard of an aiming system. Only recently have I heard anything. I don't know if people in my area just weren't using them or they weren't talking/sharing them. Either way, I played a decent game. I wasn't winning championships but I played well and I enjoyed the game(enjoying the game was always #1 to me). No, I didn't aim by "feel". I lined it up by sight before getting down on the ball and continued to rely on my ability to eye the shot once I got down on the ball. It wasn't perfect but it worked for me. I'm certainly open to trying a system and should I start back playing again, I'll ask someone to please show me something.

This reminds me of a thread awhile back where people were debating whether there was such a thing as "natural talent". I said there was, HH said there wasn't. According to HH, with the right aiming system, anyone could be a pro. Maybe I'll challenge HH once I pick up a stick again. I've been told that my fundamentals are "perfect"... stance, grip, stroke... Maybe I'll see if HH can make me a champion....

 

[sjm]

Maybe I'll challenge HH once I pick up a stick again. I've been told that my fundamentals are "perfect"... stance, grip, stroke... Maybe I'll see if HH can make me a champion....

Now wouldn't that be kewl, Timberly. All I ask is a good seat when you play in your first WPBA final. Is it a deal?

 

[Timberly]

Now wouldn't that be kewl, Timberly. All I ask is a good seat when you play in your first WPBA final. Is it a deal?

I'll get you a VIP pass for the whole event.

 

[Rude Dog]

I've always said that I was just a 'Feel" player when asked how I do the things I do with a cue ball. I've found it hard to teach someone if they're not on the same page as me from the get go. Being a feel player, if that's the correct terminology for it, isn't something I ever gave much thought about, until now. I've agreed with so many variations of explanations of " How To " do this or that on a pool table, that now I realize that I don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about. So, if you're this far into my post, ya may as well go all the way, cuz it gets better.
This is how I would begin to teach someone if they were a first time player, knew nothing about english, and couldn't run 2 balls to save their life. " Quit now while you still have your sanity."
Okay, on to a "C" player. This is a player who claims to know how to make balls but doesn't know how to use english. I would teach them how the CB reacts off of the tip, the transfer of english from CB to OB, and how to "Throw" the OB into the pocket. This usually gets them by until they practice for another 200 hours or so, or until they think they are a "B" player.
"B" player. This player can make balls, play position half the time, and have an idea of shot selection percentages. They just aren't consistent enough yet. I would tell them that they have what it takes in their game to be a real good player with a lot more practice, more tournaments under their belt, and lots of action games, getting AND giving weight.
"A" players. Well, for some reason, no "A" players have come to me for advice.
So, I feel as though I still must not know what the hell I've been preaching for all these years but I get by with my game. When I practice, that is. Sometimes, when trying to explain a shot or a critical moment in a match that I have just played, I have trouble explaining what I did as far as what english I used, or what type of stroke I used, because I really don't know. I get down on the ball, take about 2 or 3 warm-up strokes, and fire away. When I miss, I do know why. But, I usually tell myself that I hit it too slow or too hard because I know, in my heart, that I was lined up correctly. But because I use so much english on the CB, speed is a big factor in the outcome of the shot. So, if I miss, my "Feel" wasn't there. But, if the "Feel" wasn't there, and I'm a "Feel" player, then what the hell did I pull the trigger for?
So dammit, can somebody please explain to me what the hell I'm talking about because I "FEEL" like shit now? I'm in the middle of this and I don't even know what side I'm on, can ya "FEEL" me? I hope I get absolutely no replies to this because that means whoever reads through this entire post, I've just wasted about 10 minutes of your time. And 20 of mine. But who cares? Peace, John.

 

[sjm]

I've always said that I was just a 'Feel" player when asked how I do the things I do with a cue ball. I've found it hard to teach someone if they're not on the same page as me from the get go. Being a feel player, if that's the correct terminology for it, isn't something I ever gave much thought about, until now. I've agreed with so many variations of explanations of " How To " do this or that on a pool table, that now I realize that I don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about. So, if you're this far into my post, ya may as well go all the way, cuz it gets better.
This is how I would begin to teach someone if they were a first time player, knew nothing about english, and couldn't run 2 balls to save their life. " Quit now while you still have your sanity."
Okay, on to a "C" player. This is a player who claims to know how to make balls but doesn't know how to use english. I would teach them how the CB reacts off of the tip, the transfer of english from CB to OB, and how to "Throw" the OB into the pocket. This usually gets them by until they practice for another 200 hours or so, or until they think they are a "B" player.
"B" player. This player can make balls, play position half the time, and have an idea of shot selection percentages. They just aren't consistent enough yet. I would tell them that they have what it takes in their game to be a real good player with a lot more practice, more tournaments under their belt, and lots of action games, getting AND giving weight.
"A" players. Well, for some reason, no "A" players have come to me for advice.
So, I feel as though I still must not know what the hell I've been preaching for all these years but I get by with my game. When I practice, that is. Sometimes, when trying to explain a shot or a critical moment in a match that I have just played, I have trouble explaining what I did as far as what english I used, or what type of stroke I used, because I really don't know. I get down on the ball, take about 2 or 3 warm-up strokes, and fire away. When I miss, I do know why. But, I usually tell myself that I hit it too slow or too hard because I know, in my heart, that I was lined up correctly. But because I use so much english on the CB, speed is a big factor in the outcome of the shot. So, if I miss, my "Feel" wasn't there. But, if the "Feel" wasn't there, and I'm a "Feel" player, then what the hell did I pull the trigger for?
So dammit, can somebody please explain to me what the hell I'm talking about because I "FEEL" like shit now? I'm in the middle of this and I don't even know what side I'm on, can ya "FEEL" me? I hope I get absolutely no replies to this because that means whoever reads through this entire post, I've just wasted about 10 minutes of your time. And 20 of mine. But who cares? Peace, John.

Think you may have unintentionally posted a classic here, Rude Dog. The rantings and ravings of serious pool players can come in many forms, and yours were entertaining.

 

[DaveK]

Think you may have unintentionally posted a classic here, Rude Dog. The rantings and ravings of serious pool players can come in many forms, and yours were entertaining.

Yes, I feel for him too ... first the barn closes, and now ... ah ... well, we're not sure ...

Dave

 

[Colin Colenso]

Another classic in this sort of thing is that the economy always seemes to do well when church attendance is falling. The only logical implication, therefore, is that if people just stopped going to church, the economy would rally big-time. My college statistics professor used this example to drive home the point that you need to be careful with quantitative modeling.

Another one is the correlation of Ice-cream sales to domestic violence.

They are both correlated to temperature. Hot days, more beer drinking probably.

 

[Hal]

This is already 7 pages long. Someone needs to start a new aiming thread.

 

[wayne]

Jude is an outstanding ball pocketer, an outstanding pool player, and an outstanding person. There can never be enough guys like Jude in the poolhalls or on this forum. Anyone who knows him would agree with me.

Jude is also a scholar of the game whose opinions add a lot to this forum, and I do hope that some of the impolite posts he has had to endure on the subject of aiming don't discourage him from continuing to be a highly active member of this forum.

Stay the course, Jude.

This was a PAID political announcement.

Wayne

 

[mark tadd]

This post is starting to sound a lot like the
'evolution' vs. 'creationism' argument ...
who cares if evolution exists with all its
scientific theories, Maybe God planned it that way.

ok lets talk about evolution vs. creationism this could be fun any athiests in da house

 

[mark tadd]

I don't understand all the sighting methods discussed...honest!! If you asked me to explain how I sight on a ball, I don't think I could actually tell you. I know I do, but I don't think about it. Maybe if I did and consciously thought about it, my game would get better, but I would probably just be more confused.....Joe

well this seems like an easy answer get the the player who plays by feel . then get the player with the system. and the one who is the best player has the right idea. though someone uses a aiming system if hes not a champion, proves that it is limited and it is . there are just to many kinds of shots for a aiming system to be fully effective. now they can be effecive on shots that dont require side spin .
but when you introduce side spin in the picture then thats a totaly different game altogether. you can use a banking system like if you are straight in on a bank to the side you can double the table and aim for the imaginary pocket on the other side . or have a cut down the rail aim for the edge of the ball ,but that to will change with the angle. but.... this is only good if you dont have to do nothing with the cue ball. if you have to do something with the cue ball like load it with left or right hand english, then your system is no good . so you will have to go by feel . meaning there is not just one spot for left or right hand english there are many depending on how small your tip is there may be more.
so you will have to find out how far left or right to go . then how hard you hit it will be required to get where you need. because you will have to judge the throw . if hit to hard you hit the ball to full to soft and you might miss it altogether. so by how much knowledge you have and how often you play you will play the shot by feel . i have never used systems always by common cents and by how i think the ball should go. example is the best bank pool players use a lot of spin why? because not all bank are straight in if any. and because its easyier and more natural to guide it in with spin and that takes feel because if hit to hard or to soft with the exact same english it will not go in the the same direction. and also in between hard and soft there are many other speeds which will change where the ball will go . my two cents is systems are limited to shots that require no side spin. once side spin and speed enter the picture its all feel...........

 

[drivermaker]

I've been told that my fundamentals are "perfect"... stance, grip, stroke... Maybe I'll see if HH can make me a champion....

Maybe he can, and maybe he can't. You might just have old lady eyes now.
First thing is getting you in top shape for the game. That means diet and exercise. Right food...workouts in the gym with cardio training...NO BEER.
Ready to come back now??

 

[drivermaker]

I've always said that I was just a 'Feel" player when asked how I do the things I do with a cue ball. I've found it hard to teach someone if they're not on the same page as me from the get go. Being a feel player, if that's the correct terminology for it, isn't something I ever gave much thought about, until now. I've agreed with so many variations of explanations of " How To " do this or that on a pool table, that now I realize that I don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about. So, if you're this far into my post, ya may as well go all the way, cuz it gets better.
This is how I would begin to teach someone if they were a first time player, knew nothing about english, and couldn't run 2 balls to save their life. " Quit now while you still have your sanity."
Okay, on to a "C" player. This is a player who claims to know how to make balls but doesn't know how to use english. I would teach them how the CB reacts off of the tip, the transfer of english from CB to OB, and how to "Throw" the OB into the pocket. This usually gets them by until they practice for another 200 hours or so, or until they think they are a "B" player.
"B" player. This player can make balls, play position half the time, and have an idea of shot selection percentages. They just aren't consistent enough yet. I would tell them that they have what it takes in their game to be a real good player with a lot more practice, more tournaments under their belt, and lots of action games, getting AND giving weight.
"A" players. Well, for some reason, no "A" players have come to me for advice.
So, I feel as though I still must not know what the hell I've been preaching for all these years but I get by with my game. When I practice, that is. Sometimes, when trying to explain a shot or a critical moment in a match that I have just played, I have trouble explaining what I did as far as what english I used, or what type of stroke I used, because I really don't know. I get down on the ball, take about 2 or 3 warm-up strokes, and fire away. When I miss, I do know why. But, I usually tell myself that I hit it too slow or too hard because I know, in my heart, that I was lined up correctly. But because I use so much english on the CB, speed is a big factor in the outcome of the shot. So, if I miss, my "Feel" wasn't there. But, if the "Feel" wasn't there, and I'm a "Feel" player, then what the hell did I pull the trigger for?
So dammit, can somebody please explain to me what the hell I'm talking about because I "FEEL" like shit now? I'm in the middle of this and I don't even know what side I'm on, can ya "FEEL" me? I hope I get absolutely no replies to this because that means whoever reads through this entire post, I've just wasted about 10 minutes of your time. And 20 of mine. But who cares? Peace, John.

At this point, I think the advice you would give a first time player is called for.
Eventually, it always goes full circle and comes down to those words which all of us should heed. (I mean it)