In Defense of Mr. Wilson

[DelaWho???]

Free JIMBO

McCue Banger McCue

 

[jhendri2]

Shucks, Jim, no apologies are warranted, truly. I respect you and your opinion on the topic.



Again, I do understand your thoughts and respect your viewpoint.

There are EXISTING rules to this MODERATED forum.

The EXISTING rules are located in a sticky thread in the Main Forum.

The offending party was banned previously and hopefully is aware of the EXISTING rules to this MODERATED forum which are on a sticky thread at the beginning of the Main Forum, in full view.

How many times should one be called an "idiot," told they have "reading comprehension problems," and that whatever they say, they are "hypocrites"? These words, as one example, are, IMHO, problematic, harassing, rude, and antagonistic.

I think that if a person is aware of the rules to this forum, then they should follow them.

If they have violated the rules to this MODERATED forum, then, depending on the offense, they should be warned.

If they are banned for violating the rules to this MODERATED forum, then they may be given a second chance.

If they violate the rules in this MODERATED forum after being given a second chance, I think they are deserving of whatever outcome is deemed by the website authority.

JMHO, FWIW.

JAM

JAM,

I completely agree with everything you said. But...This needs to be the same for everybody and it is not. A moderator needs to be impartial and deal with problems through PM's. Mr. Wilson gave JimBo an ultimatum publically, this should have been sent through PM. He knew JimBo would not apologize after given this ultimatum in front of the entire forum. It was as if he made an example out of him. A good leader does not demand respect, he earns it through his actions.

I am a Flight NCOIC, which means I have serveral offices working for me, if I treat one troop differently than the others for committing the same act, I lose everyone's respect. It's a basic principle of leadership. Mr. Wilson has accepted the role of a leader on this message board. The majority of the time he does a wonderful job. THIS situation was not handled appropriately and punishments are not impartial.

Remember--one's perception is their reality. As a leader, Mr Wilson is not allowed to have a bad day and he has to accept that EVERY decision he makes will be scrutinized. If you're impartial, show integrity in your decisions, and make sure all of your posts are above reproach, you'll have no problem defending your actions.

Jim

 

[JAM]

JAM,

I completely agree with everything you said. But...This needs to be the same for everybody and it is not. A moderator needs to be impartial and deal with problems through PM's. Mr. Wilson gave JimBo an ultimatum publically, this should have been sent through PM....

Jim, with all due respect, I have read other posts where Mr. Wilson has given an offending party -- other than existing offending party we speak of -- a public ultimatum. This is not, in fact, a one-time happening in this instance.

I am a Flight NCOIC, which means I have serveral offices working for me, if I treat one troop differently than the others for committing the same act, I lose everyone's respect. It's a basic principle of leadership. Mr. Wilson has accepted the role of a leader on this message board. The majority of the time he does a wonderful job. THIS situation was not handled appropriately and punishments are not impartial.

My dad was in the Army Air Corps, and I salute you, my friend. Thank you for protecting our freedom and liberty that we all so cherish.

Remember--one's perception is their reality. As a leader, Mr Wilson is not allowed to have a bad day and he has to accept that EVERY decision he makes will be scrutinized. If you're impartial, show integrity in your decisions, and make sure all of your posts are above reproach, you'll have no problem defending your actions.

I do not think that Mr. Wilson in his role as moderator is a leader. He is, though, the authority on this forum. As such, his decisions will always be up for public scrutiny. It is a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it.

If this was a first-time happening with the offending party, I would totally agree with you. However, again, I salute you and thank you for protecting my rights and freedom of speech here in these good old United States of America. Unfortunately, the freedom of speech cannot apply to a moderated forum because of many reasons, i.e., trolls and problematic posters.

JAM

 

[jhendri2]

Jim, with all due respect, I have read other posts where Mr. Wilson has given an offending party -- other than existing offending party we speak of -- a public ultimatum. This is not, in fact, a one-time happening in this instance.

I never said it was a solitary instance. It also doesn't make it right in any instance.

I do not think that Mr. Wilson in his role as moderator is a leader. He is, though, the authority on this forum. As such, his decisions will always be up for public scrutiny. It is a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it.

I disagree, Mr Wilson is a leader, much the same way a County Sheriff is a leader. If a sheriff allows crimes to happen then the county will become so unruly everyone will move out except the criminals. On the opposite end if the sheriff is an authoritarian dictator everyone will leave for fear of reprisal. The sheriff must deal punishment swiftly, approrpiately, and impartialy. It is in this way the sheriff aka moderator is a leader.

Unfortunately, the freedom of speech cannot apply to a moderated forum because of many reasons, i.e., trolls and problematic posters.

JAM

I completely agree, but every offender MUST be treated the same.

Jim

 

[JAM]

I never said it was a solitary instance. It also doesn't make it right in any instance...I completely agree, but every offender MUST be treated the same.

Jim, hope you got my PM!

JAM

 

[cubswin]

Walk into a library, drop your drawers, stick it in someone's face and tell them to kiss it.
Free speech? I think not.
Would a librarian let this ride with a warning? I think not.
I think the police would be there in no time to help you find the door.

Being a moderator is a thankless job most of the time. I'll tell you one thing, they couldn't pay me enough to do it.

I may not agree with them 100% but they have my respect.

I actually know two librarians that probably would let it go *lol*

You are right, it is a thankless, hard job and won't argue that at all.

 

[Jack Flanagan]

let Mr Wilson do his job,,,,,,,,,I know I've stepped over my own bounds a time or two; backed off and stayed out of the fray until things cooled down,,,most of the banned people never knew when to quit,,,,just like the Energizer Bunny, they kept going and going and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,got banned.

I know I'm crazy (*). I accept that fact. But I know quite a bit about a lot of subjects (no brag, just fact),,,I'm really good at bringing out the worst in people, but I'm trying to do better...LOL

the people I worry about are the ones who can't tell a joke, don't understand a joke & get @#!&*# mad when the joke's on them..... J

(*) I have the papers to prove it !....LOL

 

[ChrisOnline]

Mr Wilson plays pool (mentioned that so that this post is considered pool-related.) But seriously...........

I do not have an opinion on whether Jimbo should have been banned. In fact, I did not read the controversial posts that led to a decision that seems to have many very upset, and I ache for those who have temporarily lost a valued companion on the forum.........

What I do have an opinion on is the hallowed halls of AZB and the means by which they are, and must be, maintained and defended.

To me, AZB is a library. In a library, there are authors whose works are partially or completely omitted intentionally, for the simple reason that those rightfully empowered are able to manage content before a book hits the shelves.

Mr Wilson is the librarian here at AZB, but he does not have the luxury of being able to manage content before the fact, except that he can remove a thread that is evolving objectionably or distastefully. The threads are the books of the AZB library, the posts chapters of those books, but the librarian must, as a rule, remove unsuitable materials from the shelves to properly manage content, and it's one tough job.

When we go to the public library, we all understand that one objectionable chapter may be enough to keep an otherwise good book off the shelves, yet few accept that one bad post in a thread can, similarly, make a thread unworthy of remaining on the shelves of the AZB library. How often posters go crazy when a thread with some useful content is removed!

We, similarly, understand that a library may choose to boycott an author that has produced just one objectionable book, yet many cannot accept it when a comparable choice is made by our AZB librarian about a poster.

At my local public library, they don't carry all the authors I like, and they don't have all the books I prefer, and they have their reasons. Rather than scream at the librarian for this, I prefer to recognize that the librarian does the best they can to manage content, and that I should be thankful for what I have. I extend the same courtesy to Mr. Wilson, the librarian of AZB, and therefore, the empowered judge of what content belongs here.

Mr Wilson gets it right some of the time and wrong some of the time, but he does his best job to manage content here in the hallowed halls of AZB. He will never and can never please all of us, but I think we need to understand and appreciate how difficult his job is, and how well he usually performs it.

When posters ask whether Mr Wilson is GOD or whether he is somehow depriving posters of first amendment rights of free speech, I find it disturbing. Being here is a privilege, not a right, but how easily we sometimes forget.

I agree.. this is a great post!!

chris

 

[Hidy Ho]

I will have to say being a moderator is a thankless job where typically no one notice the good work and bad or questionable decisions are highly criticized.

 

[sjm]

I tried to give you GOOD rep, SJM, but I got that infamous message stating that I must spread it around some more!

Again, thank you, SJM, for stepping up to the plate and providing your opinion. I couldn't agree more with your words.

GREAT post by SJM, as usual. You are truly one of AzBilliard's most esteemed posters and most definitely an asset to this forum, just like Mr. Wilson. You are always the voice of reason!

JAM

Your very generous words are greatly appreciated. Thank you, JAM.

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

I'm Trying Not To Rile The Restless Natives

<with snippage>
Remember--one's perception is their reality. As a leader, Mr Wilson is not allowed to have a bad day and he has to accept that EVERY decision he makes will be scrutinized. If you're impartial, show integrity in your decisions, and make sure all of your posts are above reproach, you'll have no problem defending your actions.
Jim

I heartily concur. I posted my thoughts in another thread titled, "Here's what's wrong with the Moderator system."

Doug