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pro player ? 5 years ?

Let me start off with some info about me, I am 22 without kids, a girlfriend, house payment or car payment, and have always been able to live below my means no matter how many hours I work (to an extent) meaning the whole atypical broke billiards player wouldn't be an obstacle for me. So without allot of typical bills I'm able to put my focus less on work and more on perfecting my pool game, my aim to is to practice 20 hours a week (I work about the same) to become the runout player I need to be to compete at top levels. I am just a local player with a vision and dedication and what appears to be a great opportunity to do something I would love doing for a living. That has actually prompted me to focus more on the living/professional aspect of most of the "professionals". I see that the 2nd (Fargorate) player in the world (SVB) has this year alone accumulate something like 38k, obviously I cant compete anywhere near that level yet, nor make that amount of money, but thats what my training and competition exposure are for, to prepare me for that competitive pressure. My first thoughts are that I've noticed through watching online tournaments like CSI BCAPL, CSI invitational, or any the US Open tournaments have what appear to be several tournament formats, some only open to members of that affiliation (pay dues, whatever) to compete, whereas others seem to be first come first serve, while yet even other tournaments are invitational only based on skill. How do I determine where tournaments are, and info about them. Ive read several forum posts about what constitutes a professional player, but I seem to be missing allot of info from going from a local player with a part time job to a professional who is able to manage their expenses and winnings from travel. I understand as a billiards player you need to sometimes act as the ref., your own coordinator, recruiter, the player, and everything in between. Which begs the question, what about sponsors, in most other sports you get chosen to be part of that team by a talent recruiter, but without that team aspect it leaves everything to the player, but where to start? To recap, I'm putting in serious training at a local bar, but im not sure how you go from a bar room player (whether the best or worst) to the professional status player who can win (in SVBs' case 140+k). As an example you don't see too many people that pop up from their basement literally from no-where to win championships, So is it (after loads of training) just firing the 50$ after 50$ into a tournament in hopes of your talent carrying you to the win or are there other options like tutoring Ive just not been able to find thus far. To be fair I certainly don't feel like im ready for tournaments esp. anything major, I would just like to understand the process that a professional pool player ( who makes a living doing it) goes through to find new tournaments to play in to possibly win money from, do they each have a little black book with Tournament names, dates, fees and checkboxes if they qualify? I'm serious about playing professionally, much more so, I feel, than most anyone at the local pool room even if I am not the best there. Im looking for a direction to head towards, a goal to try to reach.. anyone with ideas, pointers, or even a response from someone who was able to make that transition from local league play to USBT 9 ball championships for eg.

If you are serious you should go through this :- http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=406778.
Lot of valuable info there...
 
If you are serious you should go through this :- http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=406778.
Lot of valuable info there...

Good advice. Because that guy started a blog to document his progress and the most important post in the blog that guy started

https://progresstoprospeed.wordpress.com/

is the most recent one:

Hello all,

I will not be making a month 9 progress video since I am taking a small pause from pool. I think I played too much in the last few months and I just don’t feel like playing anymore, so until that’s over and I feel like playing again, not gonna have many updates on here.

See you in a short while!

It is easy to want.

It is much harder to get.
 
chasing the dream

There is much to be said for a job that offers 40 hours a week, medical benefits, and not least, a retirement option for the future.

Professional pool has none of that. It's been said over and over.

You may love the game, but I don't see why you can't play it as a hobby or pastime and work on a job as well.

I guess sometimes it's an attractive dream to say you don't have to work for a living. But for it to be a reality, you'd have to practically be a lottery winner.
 
So why do pros do it?

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I think that is an interesting question and could be a great research study. I have no idea, since even in snooker you aren't making much money unless you are at the top. But yet in the UK you see top Amateurs working and trying every year to qualify for the tour, and the chance to make less money than a university/college grad.

I'm guessing their focus is more on doing something they enjoy than something that will provide stability.
 
Because they are so good at it that it would be a slap in the face to god if they didn't.


Oh yeah? Offer any one of them a good job with a pension plan, and health benefits, and they'd be standing out in front of the employees entrance at four in the morning.
 
Oh yeah? Offer any one of them a good job with a pension plan, and health benefits, and they'd be standing out in front of the employees entrance at four in the morning.

You and I both know that if a top 20 guy has the drive and passion to get that far in pool that they could easily get a good job in the "real world" if they channeled all efforts into work........They are pros because they are drawn to the game like a drug. They need to be there.
 
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You and I both know that if a top 20 guy has the drive and passion to get that far in pool that they could easily get a good job in the "real world" if they channeled all efforts into work........They are pros because they are drawn to the game like a drug. They need to be there.

Good point, However many very very very good players delude themselves into thinking they can be the .00001% that make it and thrive. They ruin themselves along the way. There are many on here that thought of doing the pro thing but decided to get an education, get a good job, raise a family, and play the game. They erred on the side of caution and truth be told they are glad they did and still got tremendous enjoyment out of the game by playing tournaments and money games around their careers and families.
 
I had noticed that euro tours pay out so much more money, but pool is something I love, and I would like to see pool elevated to the same status that Snooker is in the EU. What I wold do if given the chance is promote the heck out of the game (sport) and share this wonderful gem with others, for example, how many people drink beer, smoke etc, while practicing on the field or on the court, none that I know of, but its also how the public perceives the game, is it a local amusement while you drink or is it a concise, scientific sport requiring the utmost discipline, that to me is the conundrum.

very well stated young gun...tap tap tap. Use this mindset for many things in life in general....just because everyones doing it...doesn't mean you gotta do it...and always take the high road if/when possible
 
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Oh yeah? Offer any one of them a good job with a pension plan, and health benefits, and they'd be standing out in front of the employees entrance at four in the morning.

And as soon as they found themselves in the green again, theyd quit, for pool.
 
It sounds like you have a great foundation. You have some knowledge of the game, a few years of experience, and the motivation to take the game more seriously. Good for you!

As with any major goal in life, you should create an action-plan, which will help you reach that goal. This action-plan should be comprised of several smaller goals, which will be much more attainable. Defining these goals will go a long way, in keeping you focused on the major goal.

Some important things to remember:

-Life changes. Things happen in life, some which we control, and some which we don't. Your path in life may be altered, and that's O.K. It's how you manage that change in path that defines you.

-Everyone has different motivators. For a lot of people, money is the highest of motivators. Sure, you need money. How much you need, is defined solely by you. Don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise.

-Don't be discouraged if you can't attain your goals. If you are having a difficult time, it may be time to reassess your goals. Perhaps the goal is simply unattainable, or perhaps you need to develop a new intermediate goal. Only you will know the answer.

-If you have the will, there is a way. It may not always be the most ideal path, but the ideal path is only a matter of perspective.

-Stay positive. You will have setbacks and you will face negativity. Keep focused on your goals, and follow your plan of action.


Q. How would you eat an elephant? A. One bite at a time.

Good luck in your journey!
 
It sounds like you have a great foundation. You have some knowledge of the game, a few years of experience, and the motivation to take the game more seriously. Good for you!

As with any major goal in life, you should create an action-plan, which will help you reach that goal. This action-plan should be comprised of several smaller goals, which will be much more attainable. Defining these goals will go a long way, in keeping you focused on the major goal.

Some important things to remember:

-Life changes. Things happen in life, some which we control, and some which we don't. Your path in life may be altered, and that's O.K. It's how you manage that change in path that defines you.

-Everyone has different motivators. For a lot of people, money is the highest of motivators. Sure, you need money. How much you need, is defined solely by you. Don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise.

-Don't be discouraged if you can't attain your goals. If you are having a difficult time, it may be time to reassess your goals. Perhaps the goal is simply unattainable, or perhaps you need to develop a new intermediate goal. Only you will know the answer.

-If you have the will, there is a way. It may not always be the most ideal path, but the ideal path is only a matter of perspective.

-Stay positive. You will have setbacks and you will face negativity. Keep focused on your goals, and follow your plan of action.


Q. How would you eat an elephant? A. One bite at a time.

Good luck in your journey!

Let's see if we can put this another way.
1. Foundation: He has no foundation. He's only 22 for crissakes.
2. Action plan: A 22 year old doesn't have action plans. You didn't. I didn't.
3. Life changes: Damn right life changes. The girl he just met at the pool hall, I beg your pardon, sports bar and grill, just called and said she's pregnant. Good bye pro life.
4. Motivators: Yes, money is a great motivator. He'll constantly be motivated to pay the rent, eat, and pay entry fees for all the tournaments he doesn't win.
5. Don't be discouraged: On the contrary. This should set in pretty quick.
6. If he has the will: Will was the guy that just cleaned his clock for next months rent. Number 5 is setting in again.
7. Stay positive: It's damn hard to stay positive when your're broke and hungry and your parents live two states away.
8. How do you eat an elephant: He'll be so freakin' hungry he'll eat elephants, cats, dogs, whatever shows up.
9: Good luck: Why wish him luck. He doesn't need it. According to you yeasayers he's on his way to fame and fortune. Just 'cause he wants to.
 
A prime example of the negativity that you will face..

Let's see if we can put this another way.
1. Foundation: He has no foundation. He's only 22 for crissakes.
2. Action plan: A 22 year old doesn't have action plans. You didn't. I didn't.
3. Life changes: Damn right life changes. The girl he just met at the pool hall, I beg your pardon, sports bar and grill, just called and said she's pregnant. Good bye pro life.
4. Motivators: Yes, money is a great motivator. He'll constantly be motivated to pay the rent, eat, and pay entry fees for all the tournaments he doesn't win.
5. Don't be discouraged: On the contrary. This should set in pretty quick.
6. If he has the will: Will was the guy that just cleaned his clock for next months rent. Number 5 is setting in again.
7. Stay positive: It's damn hard to stay positive when your're broke and hungry and your parents live two states away.
8. How do you eat an elephant: He'll be so freakin' hungry he'll eat elephants, cats, dogs, whatever shows up.
9: Good luck: Why wish him luck. He doesn't need it. According to you yeasayers he's on his way to fame and fortune. Just 'cause he wants to.


As Rhea and Sam Lambert found, you will not gain a lot of support from this community. Many of those who dwell here, have long given up on, or never had, the dream to be a professional pool player.

Success has a different meaning for everyone. Often times, it is defined by society, though it would be more appropriately defined by the individual. Do you need a pocket full of cash? A pension? Healthcare plan? Retirement fund? Those things are certainly nice to have, but are they necessary? That should be decided by the individual.

On this journey, you will be broke. You will go hungry. You will face depression. You will meet a lot of shady characters.. This is the life of a professional pool player. For many, this lifestyle is less than desirable. That is why so few choose this path. Think carefully about your desires to take this path, and be cautious in your approach.

"Dreams don't work unless you do."
 
A prime example of the negativity that you will face..

As Rhea and Sam Lambert found, you will not gain a lot of support from this community. Many of those who dwell here, have long given up on, or never had, the dream to be a professional pool player.

If you are going to cite Sam at least be accurate. He basically burned out in less than a year. I'm sorry that happened but it was completely predictable just from what he himself said in that thread about himself. The signs were obvious to anyone not looking through rose-colored glasses.

Just as the signs are there with the OP. Read the first post. He isn't even a run out player yet he is already worrying about tournament schedules, and how pool professionals manage their money. Cart before horse? Unrealism run wild? Worrying about how to manage his WINNINGS?

But let's dig a little deeper - apparently his dad was a good player so he had early exposure. But didn't start playing until he was 18. And now, 4 years later, this. Is that the profile of one of those extraordinary people who just have the burning desire and talent to beat the 10,000 or more to 1 odds and win? And look at his plans. "I hope to use my go pro to , , ,". Well, what's stopping you. Stop talking about what you are GOING to do and DO IT. I plan to. This great opportunity. It is all mush.

So yes, pardon me if it is obvious how this will end if he purses pool as anything more than a recreation. It can be a serious recreation, but it is a recreation. It is obvious in his own messages.

Just as it was obvious that when Sam said that he never excelled at anything because he never pursued anything seriously enough, but pool was going to be different, the smart money was betting that no, pool would not be different. As to date the smart money was right.

And to every one who has come on here and then given up on the dream of being a professional pool player, congratulations. You've greatly improved your odds of having a happy life.
 
l. Do you need a pocket full of cash? A pension? Healthcare plan? Retirement fund? Those things are certainly nice to have, but are they necessary? That should be decided by the individual.

On this journey, you will be broke. You will go hungry. You will face depression. You will meet a lot of shady characters.. This is the life of a professional pool player. For many, this lifestyle is less than desirable. That is why so few choose this path. Think carefully about your desires to take this path, and be cautious in your approach.

"Dreams don't work unless you do."

This is not a dream. It's a nightmare.
 
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