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A prime example of the negativity that you will face..
As Rhea and Sam Lambert found, you will not gain a lot of support from this community. Many of those who dwell here, have long given up on, or never had, the dream to be a professional pool player.


Now what was that you were saying about Sam. I just heard he burned out in under a year.
Dear Lord, say it isn't so. It's gotta be us naysayer's fault. It's just gotta be.
As for Rhea, she's holed up in a motel somewhere.
 
These types of threads always remind me of research that I've read suggesting that you should keep your goals to yourself. Apparently it makes you less likely to achieve them.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ulterior-motives/200905/if-you-want-succeed-don-t-tell-anyone

There is more out there than this, but it gives a general overview of the concept. I believe in reaching for the stars, but so long as you have a back up plan. Practice as much as you can without sacrificing school/career/personal connections/family, and worst case scenario you may not be a pro but you should eventually be very good.
 
These types of threads always remind me of research that I've read suggesting that you should keep your goals to yourself. Apparently it makes you less likely to achieve them.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ulterior-motives/200905/if-you-want-succeed-don-t-tell-anyone

There is more out there than this, but it gives a general overview of the concept. I believe in reaching for the stars, but so long as you have a back up plan. Practice as much as you can without sacrificing school/career/personal connections/family, and worst case scenario you may not be a pro but you should eventually be very good.


Naw, it's more like what my 5th grade teacher said, "The empty wagon rattles the most."
That would be you guys.
 
Now what was that you were saying about Sam. I just heard he burned out in under a year.
Dear Lord, say it isn't so. It's gotta be us naysayer's fault. It's just gotta be.
As for Rhea, she's holed up in a motel somewhere.

Sam is taking some time off to reassess his goals. He may decide that he needs to take a different approach, or he may decide that the goal was unattainable. That is all part of the process.The point is: he went for it. The same could be said for Rhea. Despite what everyone here said, they both put themselves out there, and they tried it. I would doubt that either one has any regrets.

I don't think that anyone here would question that the life of a pro pool player is less than desirable. Only very few of the truly elite actually make a decent living, but it's a constant grind. There are a lot of other ways to make money from this game, and with a little bit of business sense, the better players can find ways to make money.

This young gentleman may not make it as an elite pro player, but there is no reason that he can't form a prosperous career from this game. He seems to be in a position, with the proper attitude, to take a chance. I have no doubts that the experiences that he'll gain along the way will be invaluable. Maybe he'll burn out, maybe he won't... But that will be up to him to decide.

What is the harm in encouraging these individuals? If they fall, why not help them back up? We have nothing to lose or gain, either way. If they fail, we never hear from them again. If they succeed, they may show appreciation for our encouragement (not likely, but who cares?).
 
Sam is taking some time off to reassess his goals. He may decide that he needs to take a different approach, or he may decide that the goal was unattainable. That is all part of the process.The point is: he went for it. The same could be said for Rhea. Despite what everyone here said, they both put themselves out there, and they tried it. I would doubt that either one has any regrets.

I don't think that anyone here would question that the life of a pro pool player is less than desirable. Only very few of the truly elite actually make a decent living, but it's a constant grind. There are a lot of other ways to make money from this game, and with a little bit of business sense, the better players can find ways to make money.

This young gentleman may not make it as an elite pro player, but there is no reason that he can't form a prosperous career from this game. He seems to be in a position, with the proper attitude, to take a chance. I have no doubts that the experiences that he'll gain along the way will be invaluable. Maybe he'll burn out, maybe he won't... But that will be up to him to decide

What is the harm in encouraging these individuals? If they fall, why not help them back up? We have nothing to lose or gain, either way. If they fail, we never hear from them again. If they succeed, they may show appreciation for our encouragement (not likely, but who cares?).

Would gladly support anyone that does not have unrealistic expectations and has the sense of knowing when to quit. I know a few friend's kids are/were pro's. One is an excellent golfer....turned pro ...could not hang in ...he knew when to toss the towel. Also had a family to support him until it worked or folded. Another is one that became a pro dancer. He still is dancing. These 2 people were pro grade from their teens. They had the talent/training and were around the right people as they progressed.
The OP got his opinions. And mostly everyone is constructive not negative. Everything is not a pat on the back and Go For It. As I said earlier I think he should show us a demo of his game. I'll gladly re-evaluate. What is the harm in encouraging these individuals? I (most of us) don't blow smoke up anyone's rear end. And being honest is not a flaw. It is more constructive than negative. Know what...I hope he takes shot and makes it...looks back and made a great decision....but I doubt that is the case. As most have stated...at 22 a player is a pro or far from it. But maybe he should take a shot but have a job. How many artists, singers, dancers wait on tables or drive cabs. Finances first...not dreams. A full weekly paycheck beats a weak hand.
 
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Sam is taking some time off to reassess his goals. He may decide that he needs to take a different approach, or he may decide that the goal was unattainable. That is all part of the process.The point is: he went for it. The same could be said for Rhea. Despite what everyone here said, they both put themselves out there, and they tried it. I would doubt that either one has any regrets.

I don't think that anyone here would question that the life of a pro pool player is less than desirable. Only very few of the truly elite actually make a decent living, but it's a constant grind. There are a lot of other ways to make money from this game, and with a little bit of business sense, the better players can find ways to make money.

This young gentleman may not make it as an elite pro player, but there is no reason that he can't form a prosperous career from this game. He seems to be in a position, with the proper attitude, to take a chance. I have no doubts that the experiences that he'll gain along the way will be invaluable. Maybe he'll burn out, maybe he won't... But that will be up to him to decide.

What is the harm in encouraging these individuals? If they fall, why not help them back up? We have nothing to lose or gain, either way. If they fail, we never hear from them again. If they succeed, they may show appreciation for our encouragement (not likely, but who cares?).

Tap, tap tap! You're doing good, keep it up!
 
I can remember one fine day that my Mother called & said there was an ad in the Fort Worth Star Telegram, they were wanting to hire an Assistant Golf Pro, to work in the Golf Shop at the Colonial Country Club. Wow, my dreams are coming true. I'd been playing Golf for about 4 years & was very good at it. Who wouldn't want to be a Golf Pro.. they get to play golf everyday & they make a lot of money.

I called & got an appointment. I received an invitation to come spend a day with the Business Manager & the Country Club Pro. My day at Colonial was like walking around the streets of Heaven. It was a great day, to say the least. In the late afternoon Roland Harper said goodbye & said he would call if I was the one he selected.

Two weeks went by, I had lost hope in that dream. The phone rang, my wife answered & then gave out a little giggle & scream, handed me the phone & said "it's Roland Harper". Sure nuff Roland offered me a job. I went to see him again discussed all the details & proceeded to quit my job as junior engineer at LTV (aircraft company). I was off & running...

3 years later, my wife was tired of waiting on the big time glory days to come. Very soon I had to quit my dream & go back to work. A year later I didn't have my Golf Career & I didn't have a family. I tell myself to this day, I should have stayed with the Golf & let sugar britches go down the road. It would have been tough, but at the time it seemed as though I was a natural. I fit the game & the business. I was 2-3 years away from my own golf course.

People get off trains, for all kinds of reasons. Some have reached their destination, some are going to get something to eat, some just want to visit the area & catch the next train.

If you have a good plan to reach your goals & you have a good path to reach your destination, why not. You can get off & on the train anytime you want. However, getting on & off will have it's upsides & downsides.

Good Luck
 
Hey Tramp...Perhaps you could help out the young guy, and let him be exclusive agent for Miracle and Wonder Cues! LMAO :D

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Let's see if we can put this another way.
1. Foundation: He has no foundation. He's only 22 for crissakes.
2. Action plan: A 22 year old doesn't have action plans. You didn't. I didn't.
3. Life changes: Damn right life changes. The girl he just met at the pool hall, I beg your pardon, sports bar and grill, just called and said she's pregnant. Good bye pro life.
4. Motivators: Yes, money is a great motivator. He'll constantly be motivated to pay the rent, eat, and pay entry fees for all the tournaments he doesn't win.
5. Don't be discouraged: On the contrary. This should set in pretty quick.
6. If he has the will: Will was the guy that just cleaned his clock for next months rent. Number 5 is setting in again.
7. Stay positive: It's damn hard to stay positive when your're broke and hungry and your parents live two states away.
8. How do you eat an elephant: He'll be so freakin' hungry he'll eat elephants, cats, dogs, whatever shows up.
9: Good luck: Why wish him luck. He doesn't need it. According to you yeasayers he's on his way to fame and fortune. Just 'cause he wants to.
 
Don't listen to anyone on AZB. Do what you feel you can do. Honestly no one can judge you but you. All human beings have the capacity to push themselves as far as they need to. You should be proud of your accomplishments and of your dreams no matter how outlandish they may seem to others.

I am pretty happy right now doing what I do. I don't play pool full time but I do wish that I still did. I do not regret ever trying to follow my dream. And I don't believe I am done either. I just happen to be taking a break since I have a temporary job for now making less than I made when I was on the road doing what I love.

Yeah because its fun breaking into a semi truck at a truck stop because you have no place else to sleep. I would be proud of that and eager to get right back at it.
 
Good point, However many very very very good players delude themselves into thinking they can be the .00001% that make it and thrive. They ruin themselves along the way. There are many on here that thought of doing the pro thing but decided to get an education, get a good job, raise a family, and play the game. They erred on the side of caution and truth be told they are glad they did and still got tremendous enjoyment out of the game by playing tournaments and money games around their careers and families.

Perfectly stated. I respect the game so much more now that I treat pool as a lifelong "hobby/obsession" That shift in gears when I was 22ish has since allowed me to get through a career in the military, and working on a second pension.
 
Hey Tramp...Perhaps you could help out the young guy, and let him be exclusive agent for Miracle and Wonder Cues! LMAO :D

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Be glad to. He could go to work in our newly expanded tip department. As you know we manufacture some of the finest tips in the country. Our FourSkin tips are made from the world's best skin and obtained from some of the very best circumcision wards from around the fruited plain.
We offer the Soft, the Kinda Hard, and the Damned Hard. All suited to accommodate your pool playing needs.
Our new break tip, the Diamond Cutter, will also cut glass if you want it to.
We at Steamer Cue Sports Ltd. are always looking for new talent. Especially young girls from 18 to 22. :smile:
 
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Be glad to. He could go to work in our newly expanded tip department. As you know we manufacture some of the finest tips in the country. Our FourSkin tips are made from the world's finest material and obtained from the very best circumcision wards from around the country.
We offer the Soft, the Kinda Hard, and the Damned Hard. All suited to accommodate your pool playing needs.
Our new break tip, the Diamond Cutter, will also cut glass if you want it to.
We at Steamer Cue Sports Ltd. are always looking for new talent. Especially young girls from 18 to 22. :smile:

how much for the diamondcutter? lol
 
Be glad to. He could go to work in our newly expanded tip department. As you know we manufacture some of the finest tips in the country. Our FourSkin tips are made from the world's finest material and obtained from the very best circumcision wards from around the country.
We offer the Soft, the Kinda Hard, and the Damned Hard. All suited to accommodate your pool playing needs.
Our new break tip, the Diamond Cutter, will also cut glass if you want it to.
We at Steamer Cue Sports Ltd. are always looking for new talent. Especially young girls from 18 to 22. :smile:

They say the second cut is the nuts
 
LOL on the cup stacking. Seriously, if you have the talent, (admittedly a big if) there are more lucrative games to get good at than pool.

Here's a kid who came off the Oregon Warm Springs Reservation and did okay...you can spot him in Center Field @ Yankees Stadium today. The final figure is his annual salary. Has a couple of world series rings from his days with the Red Sox. Why they let him go, I'll never know. I've heard it's expensive to live in NY...hope he can make do.

#22

Jacoby Ellsbury

CF
L L 6' 1" 195 33 9 Madras, Oregon Oregon State $21,142,857
 
LOL on the cup stacking. Seriously, if you have the talent, (admittedly a big if) there are more lucrative games to get good at than pool.

Here's a kid who came off the Oregon Warm Springs Reservation and did okay...you can spot him in Center Field @ Yankees Stadium today. The final figure is his annual salary. Has a couple of world series rings from his days with the Red Sox. Why they let him go, I'll never know. I've heard it's expensive to live in NY...hope he can make do.

#22
Jacoby Ellsbury
CF
L L 6' 1" 195 33 9 Madras, Oregon Oregon State $21,142,857


pw, a quick question. At what age did this fellow begin playing baseball? :)
 
pw, a quick question. At what age did this fellow begin playing baseball? :)

like evvery other ball player.....probably around 5-6....maybe earlier....in teeball i was switching already, ad well. thats what american dads did across the board back when alot....teach their boys to play baseball lol


boys and their balls lol
 
pw, a quick question. At what age did this fellow begin playing baseball? :)

5 or 6...maybe even before that. Get this..in high school, he was better at jump balls than the team's much taller center. Was instrumental in Oregon State's college world series win...

Like SVB in pool..very talented, and started fine tuning that talent at an early age.
 
5 or 6...maybe even before that. Get this..in high school, he was better at jump balls than the team's much taller center. Was instrumental in Oregon State's college world series win...

Like SVB in pool..very talented, and started fine tuning that talent at an early age.


Do you yeasayers still not get it? Our OP wants to become a Pro and he's 22 years old.
Once again. HE'S TOO OLD!
This thread should have stopped 6 pages ago.
 
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