In which game will "the cream rise to the top" most decidedly?

American Rotation, minimal luck factor in that game. Hope it gains some traction soon.

I was thinking this as well with AMRO. It's much better than 9 or 10 ball IMHO. In no particular order, 14.1, one pocket, American Rotation (or rotation of some kind with all 15 balls), 3 cushion, and full rack banks.
 
I know there are a lot of straight pool fans that think it's the best test but I think it's more about shot making and precision cue ball control. Not much on strategy.

Agreed. Not to mention, Straights has minimal safety play (amongst better players) and almost no kicking or jumping.


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So to ask an opposing question. What game can the least skilled player hide behind? Frost seems to be a 1P specialist and seems to hold his own in 1P. However, top players will probably beat him at any other game.
 
In my opinion as a lowly C player, 14.1 is the hardest, but I have never played one pocket with anyone who really knows how the game is played, so it might be right on up there. On the other hand, 10 ball and the other rotation games require a somewhat different skill set and playing style. Take the top five 10 ball players and have them match up to the top five 14.1 players, have them play reasonable sets of each other's specialty and who wins?
 
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I can't agree. It's true that 1P isn't as shot-intensive as other games, but the shots you have to take in 1P are way more difficult on average than shots in any other game, and almost all of them must be two-way shots.

More importantly, I don't think pocketing is "the one thing pool is all about". Of course pocketing is essential, but IMO cue ball control is the "art" of pool - pocketing is the "strings" on which the "music" of CB control is played. And CB control is more important and difficult in 1P than in any other game, IMO. On top of that, you have to control the speed of both the CB and OB on almost every shot, which is unique to 1P (along with the frequent circus shots that come up).

I'm not saying 1P is the "best" or even most demanding game - I don't think the apples and oranges of the different games can be clearly compared like that. They each have their strong points and none, in my opinion, dominate overall.

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I have never seen a poor pocketer with good ball control. I have seen good pocketers with cb control not equal to their ability to pocket, but there is always some sort of understanding of the cue ball. Furthermore, an average pocketer spends most of his energy dealing with the execution of pocketing, while the good pocketer does so instinctively and can devote more energy to cb control. The better seasoned the pocketer, the better his ability to pocket in many ways and the ability to hit the cb in a variety of ways, which leads to better cb control.
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I know there are a lot of straight pool fans that think it's the best test but I think it's more about shot making and precision cue ball control. Not much on strategy.

I think maybe you have to watch top level 14.1. Like try Mizerak, Varner, Hopkins, West. DON'T WATCH 9ball players play 14.1 and equally important, don't just count the runs. 14.1 is unique in pool because there are many divergent opinions on what is great 14.1. Some go by "# of balls run", others go by HOW the table is played

14.1 starts with a generic rack. From the point of the break, the player is left to massage and manipulate the table to his liking - in other words he creates his own table to execute high runs. That is creativity.
 
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I have never seen a poor pocketer with good ball control. I have seen good pocketers with cb control not equal to their ability to pocket, but there is always some sort of understanding of the cue ball. Furthermore, an average pocketer spends most of his energy dealing with the execution of pocketing, while the good pocketer does so instinctively and can devote more energy to cb control. The better seasoned the pocketer, the better his ability to pocket in many ways and the ability to hit the cb in a variety of ways, which leads to better cb control.
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I agree with all of this. The better you are at pocketing the more creative you can be at CB control.

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chgo
 
So to ask an opposing question. What game can the least skilled player hide behind? Frost seems to be a 1P specialist and seems to hold his own in 1P. However, top players will probably beat him at any other game.


The consensus is that 1p allows a player to hide his speed. It's not exactly an answer to your question however.
 
So to ask an opposing question. What game can the least skilled player hide behind? Frost seems to be a 1P specialist and seems to hold his own in 1P. However, top players will probably beat him at any other game.
1P is the game that rewards knowledge and experience the most, to the point that an experienced player can beat a more mechanically skilled player. Even some of the mechanical skills needed for 1P are peculiar to it. It's a specialty game - I imagine that more players play it exclusively than other games (except maybe 3C).

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So to ask an opposing question. What game can the least skilled player hide behind? Frost seems to be a 1P specialist and seems to hold his own in 1P. However, top players will probably beat him at any other game.
As a 'c-'potter, a 'b' cueball controller, and 'b+'pool brain, I'd rather compete for money as follows...8 ball,14.1, 1pocket, 9 ball, rotation.
1P is the only game where you're faced with a larger percentage of non-critical shots than the other games, even though as others have stated, knowledge is tantamount in 1p.
 
This question is very dependent on many factors. Equipment and race lengths being two prime factors.

Chinese 8-ball is basically American rules 8-ball on very tough equipment and longer races and the cream certainly finds it's way to the top in that game.

It is the same with any game on the list. Long enough race and tough enough equipment and the best will begin to dominate.

Unfortunately every time pool has had a chance to push into far tougher equipment it has not stuck. The Fatboy railed TAR table, the Bigfoot, noone has really put a serious effort to push pro pool that direction in earnest. The tougher tables have only been used in challenge matches and novelty events.
 
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