Input on layered tips

Mr. Wilson

Mr. Wilson

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I would like to hear from the people that DO NOT like or use layered tips and why they don't.

I'm not looking for right or wrong, just insight and opinions.

Thanks,

Dave
 
I don't like layered tips because they don't hold chalk worth a crap. But I still use one cause it's easier to spin the ball..
 
Things I don't like about *some* layered tips:

1) Delamination - Can cause small dead spots between the layers and eventually comeas apart totally required a lot of reshaping to get down to a decent shape.

2) Concentric edge issues - Small but noticable ridges as a layer wears down to the point where the middle of the tip is a different layer than the edge

3) Cost - I've seen high-end tips like Mooris installed for up to $50. Seems crazy when you could buy a whole new shaft with a Moori on it for $100-$150.
 
My name is Bus. Bus Ted. I don't use them new fangled gadgets cause they make the cueball go places I ain't xpectin'!!!:eek: :D :D
 
Layered tips offer no advatage over non-layered tips, except that they are more consistant, tip to tip. Lepros and Triangles (and any other non-layed tip) vary so much, the odds aren't good you will get a good one. IMO, a good Triange or Lepro is a better tip than any layered tip.

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Isn't Do not like...

somewhat a oxymoronic ? or is it paradoxical phrasing? :confused: Oh! I see now ! actually I like them so I'll just be on my way! :p
 
At the APAs in August, I had Bludworth put on a Tiger layered tip, $45 with a shaft cleaning! I tried to approach it with an open mind, but I can't stand that tip.

Also, the thing either wasn't taken down right or was defective: it mushroomed almost immediately. I sanded down the edges, which was a pain, but it still sucks. I still can't stand it.

Back to Triangles, which have never steered me wrong.

Cory
 
Mr. Wilson said:
I would like to hear from the people that DO NOT like or use layered tips and why they don't.

I'm not looking for right or wrong, just insight and opinions.

Thanks,

Dave
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I don't like them because:

1. I get too much 'unintended' spin on the object ball from time to time. (what can I say, I have trouble hitting a ball straight).

2. They do not hold chalk as well.

3. The cost is too high vs. reward.
 
I dont like them because:

1- the cost

2- they glaze over to fast

3- I can get 3 Triangle tips for the same price as one Moori Med.


I look at it this way, I can buy 3 triangle tips, which will probably last me about 1 yr or so. Depending on how much i scuff the tip up.

It generally glazes over about the same as a layer'd tip.

And I tend to use alot of english / spanglish as i call it, and have gotten use to how much i need to put on the CB. So going to a tip that will give me more Spanglish would mess me all up.
 
i've been using triangles and love them.that's what came on both my south west and andy gilbert cues and have never had one mushroom,very low maintenance and they play great.why spend $30 to $50 for a tip that isn't any better?
 
I get my Sniper tips installed by a proffessional (I've seen Danny Basivitch have work done by him) for $15.

I don't know who is charging $50 for a tip, but that's insane. I would have to figure prices in with my monthly bills @ those prices.
 
I'm about to compare a Sniper and an Everest on two seperate shafts, so I am still open minded about them...but the Moori Medium I had long ago was not a good experience.

The MM glazed over and I would miscue a lot more than I do with a regular old Le Pro (which might be due to the "Concentric edge issues" AuntyDan mentioned).

The MM was softer than I expected so excessive spin was problem. I removed the MM after a month or so and put a Le Pro back on...which was junk so I tore it off and had another Le Pro put on.
 
The layered tips need more grooming than the non layered. That is why they are glazing and/or miscueing. Try a tip pick and keep chalk on it.
 
I used LePro tips for years, and recently decided to try the Sniper. I like the feel of the tip fine, not too spongy or anything, and I can spin the ball well with it (not that I had any trouble spinning the ball with the LePro). If I had to find fault with it, though, I guess I would mention the obvious thing which is the cost. Paying $18 for a tip is hard for most people to justify, plus you have to pay to have it installed unless you own a lathe. My only other complaint is that I have not had any success when I tried to jump with the Sniper tip. I could do full-ball jumps with ease when I used LePro tips, but I can't get more than a half-ball or so of air with the Sniper. That's not that big a deal, because I still use a LePro on my break cue, and I can jump fine with it. All in all, I'd say that the Sniper is a good tip, and I'm sure that the consistency is much higher than a lot of other tips, but, as a previous poster mentioned, a good LePro is very hard to beat (and it only costs a buck).
 
i'm on the same plane as everyone else
:They don't hold chalk well
:They are kind of expensive
:Personaly i just don't like the way they feel


(Jake) admitted elkmaster fiend
 
I was an avid fan of Triangle tips until I bought a Tiger X shaft. That converted me to Sniper layered tips on a normal deflection shaft. (I didnt care for the shaft to much)

My local pro shop has a fantastic cue repair guy named Charlie. He charges 30 for the sniper tip and installation plus cleans up the ferrule and stuff too while he is at it. Really great pro shop.
 
I've tried them, layered tips in the right hardness hit close to a non layered tip. It's not so much that I dislike layered tips, just prefer a nice hard sumo non layered tip. Hits like a old lepro/triangle that was worn down, holds chalk very well, doesn't mushroom, doesn't tend to glaze over. Have zero complaints about the sumo's actually.
 
I used to use nothing but Triangles, well burnished, on any cue I played with. Now I use Talisman Hard and absolutely love them. I have tried the soft and the mediums and have settled with the hard. Chalking issues have never arisen with any of the talismans.

The one Moori Medium I tried glazed over and mushroomed like an Elk Master. I miscued all the time, it never held chalk and I just hated it. There has been alot of negative statements about Talisman, mostly about delamination, but I have never seen one delaminate. We use Talisman Medium as our stock tip on our Ob-1 Cue Shaft. I have never heard a complaint.

I have tried Sniper but it mushroomed like crazy and it was too soft. I will be trying Everest soon and I will surely voice my opinion.
 
I have been using Hercules for the last few yrs because they are consistant and I like a hard tip that holds it's shape. If you mention Moori I will start looking for a blade to cut it off.......they are a type of fungus I believe.

I was hooked on LePro when I ran around with TK. I used to order 20 boxes for the room and we would spend hours picking out the good ones to keep for us :) The new LePro's are not as good of a tip as they were 15 yrs ago and they are different in a big way. Chris Nitti has some of the Old and New that we were comparing a few weeks ago at his shop (the stingy bastage wouldn't come off of any of the old ones:)).

Triangle would be my second choice if I had to give up my layered Hercules (same tip as Talisman & Tad..diff name). With anything but Herc's I seem to change tips a couple times a month, Thank God for my Hightower :)
 
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SnakePool said:
I have tried Sniper but it mushroomed like crazy and it was too soft. I will be trying Everest soon and I will surely voice my opinion.
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Without a doubt your Sniper was ruined during the install, long before you hit a ball with it. They are in no way too soft...and they don't mushroom. Use the "search" to learn proper Sniper installation...or have the fine people at Tiger walk you through it. The Sniper is by far & away the finest tip available...you can do stuff with the cueball that you simply can not with other tips. But...they must be installed correctly.;)
 
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