Instead of worrying about an aiming method.....

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PocketPoint

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What if you focused on your stroke, and your position play? I mean how hard is it to point the cue towards the right spot to pocket the ball?

When I miss a ball I think 99% of the time it's my stroke that was bad, not that I wasn't aiming right.
 
You're correct. Without an accurate and repeatable stroke, any aiming method will be spotty and inconsistent, at best. We aim accurately and easily perceptually...it's the delivery into that perceived aim point where our stroke breaks down. With an accurate and repeatable stroke ANY aiming method will work. Many top players use bits and pieces of several methods.

Scott Lee
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PocketPoint said:
What if you focused on your stroke, and your position play? I mean how hard is it to point the cue towards the right spot to pocket the ball?

When I miss a ball I think 99% of the time it's my stroke that was bad, not that I wasn't aiming right.
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Scott Lee said:
With an accurate and repeatable stroke ANY aiming method will work.
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Any aiming method will work IF you aim in the right place. If you aim in the wrong place then the best stroke in the world won't make the shot.

The simple fact is that pocketing a ball requires two primary pool skills, knowing WHERE to aim, and SHOOTING where you have aimed. Only when BOTH are correct is a shot made (unless it's randomly made). Therefore, they're equally important in making a shot.
 
Echo echo echo

GetMeThere said:
Any aiming method will work IF you aim in the right place. If you aim in the wrong place then the best stroke in the world won't make the shot.

The simple fact is that pocketing a ball requires two primary pool skills, knowing WHERE to aim, and SHOOTING where you have aimed. Only when BOTH are correct is a shot made (unless it's randomly made). Therefore, they're equally important in making a shot.
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There must be an echo in here....you just repeated exactly the same point scott just made.

If your using a know working aiming method then it will tell you where to aim.....hence the term AIMING METHOD

If you have an accurate and repeatable stroke then you can obviously hit the point that the aiming method showed you.


and to the OP's use the search.....we talk plenty about stroke and position play amongst a ton of other facets of the game.

echo, echo, echo,
-Grey Ghost-
 
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Ohhhh POOR BABYS!!!!!!!!

I take it that both of you are world class players and have never had trouble sighting in a shot?

DOUBTFUL HIGHLY DOUBTFUL

Not everyone sees the lines on the table the same way.

Most of us that do the actual talking about CTE, PJ,me, Neil, Randy, Scott, Blackjack are talking science and application not some gimmick

I don't think there is any doubt that it "works" b/c there have been too many people that have had success using the method.

There is compensation for swerve and other related things that have to be adjusted for on some shots......so just pointing the cue at the contact point or whatever isn't always going to work now is it? You can always just use the ROTE system? Do you two have any idea what that is?

Its just another system that can add a level of consistency and repeatability to your game.

I can't even believe you two nits are complaining.....what are we supposed to talk about Shane f*king cuetek?

Or maybe we could have more threads with some jack off making fun of Earl....as if that hasn't been done before.

No ones going to do or say anything better than what Joe Rogan did anyways, but hell jump on the wagon i guess.

If guys like us didn't talk about things like CTE this site would suck and just be full of BS gossip.....

SO YOU SHOULD THANK THE LORD ABOVE that we do talk and debate over stuff.

B/C that is why this is the BAR NONE BEST MOST CONDENSED INFORMATIONAL PLACE TO ATTAIN POOL KNOWLEDGE FOR FREE IN THE UNIVERSE!

Just like the ones that seemingly REFUSE to use the SEARCH function.

As of today we stand here:

Threads: 204,529 Posts: 2,641,150, Members: 25,447

If you search for it, IT IS THERE unless its something you should have to pay for....cuz not everything is free, tho on this wonderful site you can basically learn anything your little pool player heart could ever desire.

I think its laughable that two people that are still wet b/h the ears when it comes to being members (2 months and 8 months lol....RUBES :))would have the nerve to complain about others trying to make sense of things so you can free up your busy day instead of having to figure all this out on your lonesome, which would take decades.


I'm done you can gossip if you like again


YOUR WELCOME,
-Grey Ghost-
 
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I would somewhat disagree with this post.. there are some variations of cut shots that require very precise aiming. Without a proper way to aim, the consistency on these shots are gonna be really bad.

However, I do agree that stroke and positioning is very important. But if you are not hitting the right spot on the object ball, good stroke is pointless then.

I do believe that one should spend much much more time on their strkoe than practicing an aiming method. The ghost ball or frozen ball method is very direct and I dunno why there are so many variations of aiming methods. Instead of finding the perfect aiming method, which I don't think exists, I think its best to find a simple aiming method, and practice shot making. Just because you have the perfect aiming method doesn't mean you are gonna hit the right place of the object ball everytime, practice is very important.
 
But then you wouldn't be able to use the excuse, "I have bad eyes," and you'd have to take full responsibility for your misses.

Don't you know that pool players never do anything wrong?
 
I used to think that all my misses were due to a faulty stroke. I spent hours and hours working on my stroke. I still missed certain shots.

Then one day I received a phone call (or maybe it came to me in a dream) that I should go to Paradise Billiards (aptly named as it fits this story) and meet a traveling wizard named Hal Houle.

Me, being the arrogant, egocentric punk I was took the challenge hoping that Hal Who? would just like to PLAY SOME.

Instead this old man says to me "how can you pick a tiny spot on the ball and fixate on it consistently" as he waved a sheet of paper in my face with a paragrapgh highlighted where I had recoomended that technique to use to aim. (I plagiarized it from a billiard magazine article). I said, "um I don't know it's just the way I was taught"....

Then he proceeds to show me some of his aiming methods/systems and I am desparately trying to get away hoping ANYONE would walk through the door that wanted to play some so I could get away from that kooky old man.

But no one showed up to relieve me of lunch money and weird company so I had to settle down and start listening to him.

Do what? Use the side of the ferrule to aim at 1/4 of the ball? Aim the quarter of the ball to the center of the object ball???? Strickland uses what? Efren uses what? Is this old guy on crack????

But then I started to really try to do what he was telling me and the balls started splitting the pocket with a SOLID whack. You know the sound when a ball goes CLEAN.

So I started throwing up all kinds of shots with the same results. Hal leans back with a satsified grin, another convert, his work is done.

He begs off because the artritis in his knees was making it too difficult to stand. We go outside and shake hands and he gets in his truck, I get in my car and that's the last time I ever saw him.

That was nearly a decade ago and since then all my successes at pool have been thanks to Hal Houle.

The man who taught me that it's not all stroke. Sometimes you can just be on a bad line.
 
Find the line.

Put the cb on the line.

Those essential elements take learning to aim as well as a straight and repeatable stroke.

Then, in order to win it takes a manageable mind. :groucho:
 
Some of the replys about the stroke not being that important I can safely say suck at position play, but I bet their "game" is 9 ball where postion play is not that critical.

Get beyond make just a ball, it's about making ball after ball after ball after ball and so on. Oh a well played safety, WHERE THERE IS NO BALL TO BE MADE, takes a stroke.

Sometime the next ball you have to make is at the other end of the table on the rail while the CB and OB are at the other end of the table. Getting shape on that's ball takes a stroke.

You think that a high run over 100 in 14.1 doesn't take a stroke, oh yeah, 9 ball is the game.

Good grief.......
 
duckie said:
Some of the replys about the stroke not being that important I can safely say suck at position play, but I bet their "game" is 9 ball where postion play is not that critical.

Get beyond make just a ball, it's about making ball after ball after ball after ball and so on. Oh a well played safety, WHERE THERE IS NO BALL TO BE MADE, takes a stroke.

Sometime the next ball you have to make is at the other end of the table on the rail while the CB and OB are at the other end of the table. Getting shape on that's ball takes a stroke.

You think that a high run over 100 in 14.1 doesn't take a stroke, oh yeah, 9 ball is the game.

Good grief.......
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Straight pool shouldn't require a power stroke. 9 ball does for the most part. When you hear people talking about "stroke", they are generally referring to having to move the ball around the table, not the precision touch stroke required for 14.1 . With some exceptions of course, if you are having to power the ball around the table playing straights, something is wrong with your pattern choices or position choices.
Chuck
 
greyghost said:
I take it that both of you are world class players and have never had trouble sighting in a shot?

DOUBTFUL HIGHLY DOUBTFUL

Not everyone sees the lines on the table the same way.

Most of us that do the actual talking about CTE, PJ,me, Neil, Randy, Scott, Blackjack are talking science and application not some gimmick

I don't think there is any doubt that it "works" b/c there have been too many people that have had success using the method.

There is compensation for swerve and other related things that have to be adjusted for on some shots......so just pointing the cue at the contact point or whatever isn't always going to work now is it? You can always just use the ROTE system? Do you two have any idea what that is?

Its just another system that can add a level of consistency and repeatability to your game.

I can't even believe you two nits are complaining.....what are we supposed to talk about Shane f*king cuetek?

Or maybe we could have more threads with some jack off making fun of Earl....as if that hasn't been done before.

No ones going to do or say anything better than what Joe Rogan did anyways, but hell jump on the wagon i guess.

If guys like us didn't talk about things like CTE this site would suck and just be full of BS gossip.....

SO YOU SHOULD THANK THE LORD ABOVE that we do talk and debate over stuff.

B/C that is why this is the BAR NONE BEST MOST CONDENSED INFORMATIONAL PLACE TO ATTAIN POOL KNOWLEDGE FOR FREE IN THE UNIVERSE!

Just like the ones that seemingly REFUSE to use the SEARCH function.

As of today we stand here:

Threads: 204,529 Posts: 2,641,150, Members: 25,447

If you search for it, IT IS THERE unless its something you should have to pay for....cuz not everything is free, tho on this wonderful site you can basically learn anything your little pool player heart could ever desire.

I think its laughable that two people that are still wet b/h the ears when it comes to being members (2 months and 8 months lol....RUBES :))would have the nerve to complain about others trying to make sense of things so you can free up your busy day instead of having to figure all this out on your lonesome, which would take decades.


I'm done you can gossip if you like again


YOUR WELCOME,
-Grey Ghost-
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Ghost,
What's the problem? The guy brings up a good point about proper stroke and how IT may effect aim. It wasn't a personal attack on you or CTE. Just another point of view......The "wet behind the ears" comment is b.s. Cheap shot. This site was and is still being built on new members in addition to it's "oldbies". . I think you read too much into it.......btw, how much time does a "newbie" have to put in before he can voice his opinion?
 
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