Interesting early gambling experiences!

Im gonna jump on the your a good guy wagon here...

Giving the situation and the fact he gambled without any money backing his bets he deserved what he got. Whether you sold the cue knowingly or not. He never said dont sell my cue but keep it until I pay you back.

The real bastard is the guy that offered you teh cash for it. Sounds to me he was a bitter bastard and jumped at the chance to get back at him. So in light you could say it was his fault....
 
A lot of us have done embarrassing or stupid stuff learning the ins and outs of pool. But, after the beating you took on here, I doubt many will share.

I'll just say that at one point in my "career", I actually bragged about my hollow fiberglass cue with a screw on tip.:o

Yep ! I mean, if this guy did this move yesterday, than we could and should pile on. But he plainly and very clearly states that he did this over 17 years ago, and was a newbie gambler.

Well, 30 years ago, I once held the money for a bet between a guy named Mort (who was the house man at North Shore Billiards) and a few other rail birds who were betting against Billy Smith (Mr.3 Cushion) in regards to some movie trivia question about Dracula.

Well, I made some calls (Roger Ebert) who worked at the Chicago Sun-Times at the time and got the answer to the question and immediately paid everyone off.

Billy Smith lost. Of course, there was a technicality I did not think of in the original bet, and thus, the bet should have been a draw. Well, I already paid everyone, and since they all had the cash, they did not believe the technicality existed and thus why the non-biased person (ME) made the executive decision and paid everyone. Of course, with that reasoning I started to believe them too. Heck, I did make the right call, and defended my decision, even though it was incorrect.

Well, as you could imagine, Billy was not too happy when he arrived to the pool hall that day and he went completely nuts and was about to literally kill me. I was 15 years old at the time and weighed all of 100 pounds. He lunged at me and thank God Mort weighed in at a conservative 300 pounds and stepped in like white lightning and saved my dumb ass from a very bad beating. He was pretty nibble for a freaking gorilla. And a heck of a nice guy !

Nobody paid Billy back one thin dime, I didn't lose any teeth, and they all bought me lunch the following day !! But I felt guilty and decided not to tell my father and one of his partners, Racetrack Phil, that Billy tried to kick my ass, because my old man or Phil would have literally kicked the living sh*t out of Billy, and it would have been a bloodbath. Billy never bothered me again because the old man owned the place with the Beard and Phil, and even Billy probably knew what would would've happened if Mort did not step in that day and had to answer to them. So, I guess maybe we are even now !!
 
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let's play double or nothing. Again, his money so okay. Now I'm up $200, do it again and I'm up $400. He pays me and asks me where I'm from and I tell him I live locally. He asks me if I play in

Maybe I'm wrong but my understanding of "Double or nothing" is this....he owes you 200$....you play double or nothing....you lose you owe him nothing.....he loses.....he now owes you 600$ Am I mistaken here??? He owes the original 200 and wants to double the bet to 400....your now playing a game for 400 + the 200 you're owed.
 
I'm up 200 ... he bets double or nothing ... means I would then be up 400 or be even. Basically it means you are betting with his money.

And as far as the cue and holding it, unless it was clearly stated that the cue was partial collateral for the $600 and you were to hold on to it for 1 day till he could pay you the $600 ... the cue was yours outright. Putting up a cue because you didnt have the cash that you ALREADY BET, means the cue is the bet. Asking you to hold on to a bet that you won because he wants a chance to win it back the next day is crazy.

Yeah, I lost $2k to you tonight, but I'm asking you to be obligated to lose it back to me tomorrow night instead of paying your rent or whatever .. because I'm a gambler and you should just play by the F'd up rules that gamblers think everyone should play by!
 
I'm up 200 ... he bets double or nothing ... means I would then be up 400 or be even. Basically it means you are betting with his money.


If this is indeed the case, then you are simply playing another game for $200.....tantamount to saying, "Give me a chance to win back my money".

I hope others weigh in on this. I interpret the phrase "double or nothing" as providing an incentive for you to continue playing.....a spot of sorts. The bet is doubled to $400 and if he wins he keeps the original $200 + the doubled bet of $400, if you win you collect $600......Dan
 
double or nothing is a kinda silly way of saying things

I'm up 200 ... he bets double or nothing ... means I would then be up 400 or be even. Basically it means you are betting with his money.


If this is indeed the case, then you are simply playing another game for $200.....tantamount to saying, "Give me a chance to win back my money".

I hope others weigh in on this. I interpret the phrase "double or nothing" as providing an incentive for you to continue playing.....a spot of sorts. The bet is doubled to $400 and if he wins he keeps the original $200 + the doubled bet of $400, if you win you collect $600......Dan

Double or nothing is a kinda silly way of saying things when there has only been one bet but the meaning usually is that you are playing again for the same bet. If you win you get two bets, if he wins he is even and owes nothing. It is easier to understand when you have made multiple bets. Say you have played three $200 sets and he is down $600, now if he wants to play double or nothing he has jacked the bet to $600 and if he wins he owes nothing, if you win he owes $1200.

"Double or nothing" is often fast talk BS from somebody that just fired an air barrel around here. Whatever the bet is, make'em post before playing. It was illegal to post around here when I gambled a lot years ago and air barrels were often followed by broken house cues across teeth. Much nicer to be able to make somebody post now.

Hu
 
Thanks everyone for the kind words and support that most of you have shown.

This was not something that I set out to do from the onset. I never meant to do the guy wrong, but I made my mistakes early and learned from them. That's the best I can do.

It was never my intention for this thread to go this way. It would be silly of me to share a story in the hopes that I would get bashed and insulted.

I have a lot of respect for almost all AZ'ers. The wealth of knowledge on this forum is staggering. I don't always comment on certain threads because my point of view on something may have already been shared by somebody else. But this time I thought I'd start a thread so that I could get to know everybody or a lot of you in a more profound way.

I apologize for starting this thread and making everyone uncomfortable. But if you have any stories at all, I would love to hear them. I have a few more, but I think it may be best if I keep those to myself. No I didn't screw anyone over, but I'm not a big fan of having my integrity challenged. I have no reason to lie to any of you. I don't know you personally. I gain nothing by doing it. I'm also not a keyboard tough guy that feels like insulting somebody over a computer would make me feel better. I believe you should be able to share your point of view even if it's not the most popular. That's why I went out of my way trying to express myself to those individuals that found it easier to degrade me personally.

Again thanks to everyone that had my back! :thumbup: I have rep coming your way, unfortunately it says that I have given out to much already in the past 24 hours! I've even given greenies out to some of the ones that bashed on me. It's easier to forgive than to forget.

I would love to hear more stories, but like Neil said, after the beating that I took here you may not be inclined to do so. I hope he's mistaken and we here lots of funny, embarrasing or exciting stuff.
 
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We've all had experiences when we were green in pool. I know I sure did have my share of embarrassments.

Most of my involvement in pool when I was younger was league play, bar table pool, and then going on the road for action. I worked in the pool room for a while, which helped me to become acquainted with good pool etiquette. It's an acquired trait, I think, that you can only gain from learning the ropes of the seasoned veterans. ;)

I did not have any involvement in professional pool until I met my current SO. The first big pro tournament I went to was the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship. I was so excited and happy, full of enthusiasm, walking into the doors of the Chesapeake Conference Center seeing all the pool legends in person. :grin:

One afternoon, I was sitting in the bleachers sweating my SO in a match in the Open. It was a tight match, seesawing back and forth. My SO was getting ready to break the balls in the match, and I bellowed out, "On the snap," a familiar quote we've all heard in pool. I came from more of a road warrior background than the formal tournament trail. :cool:

My SO stopped mid-stroke, turned around, and he looked right at me and said, "What did you say?" Time stood still, and it seemed like everybody in the arena stared at me. I could feel my face getting hot. It must have been beet red. My feelings were a little bit hurt over him singling me out like that, but it only hurt a little bit. :p

I now sit quiet as a churchmouse when I'm on the rail at a tournament setting.
 
Moral of this story.......... Never gamble with a player holding a cheap cue......that could be their net worth
 
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Moral of this story.......... Never gamble with a player holding a cheap cue......that could be their net worth


A few months back I was playing Russ "The Russian" here in St. Louis, some $20 1pocket. We'd played many times before so I didn't make him pay after every game. So, he loses $80, quits, doesn't have the dough, and tries to hand me his cue to hold until the next day. It was a beat up sneaky pete and I go, "Russ, what am I going to do with that? Keep your cue. I'll see you tomorrow."

And (wait for it) I never see him again.

Lou Figueroa
no good deed...
 
Is this story some kind of a joke? I don't believe this is a true story, but if it is....

Your story makes me sick. You should never have sold the guys cue until he had a reasonable chance to pay you what he owed you. At the very least you should return the balance of what you made off of the cue back to him.

You are a nit of the worst kind.

The man who fired an air barrel got what was coming to him. How was he to know that he was going to get the $600 that was owed to him? If they guy did have a cue worth 4000 im sure one of his buddies would have loaned him 600 so he didnt give his cue to someone else. If you air barrel me and i hold your cue, if you tell me ill be by to pay you then i wait for that time to come if you dont show its mine, if you do i just want what is owed to me i dont care if the cue is worth 10,000 if im the loser there and its my cue i would make darn sure he understood!
 
Here's a copy-and-paste of my air barrel pool tale, which also touches on being a little green:

I almost hesitate to post this, but it's a true story about an air barrel, my first experience with a player by the name of Keith McCready. It all happened in Maryland at the Capital City Classic tournament.

I had been away from pool for at least 15 years or more. I ran into an old pool friend at Montgomery Mall who invited me to this pool tournament in Maryland. I really didn't want to go, truth be told, but he was insisting I should come and see the old gang. So I agreed to meet him there at a designated time.

As my luck would have it, I arrived at the parking lot of the hotel and received a phone call from him on my cell, stating he had to work late and couldn't make it. I almost didn't go in, but I was there, and so I figured I'd at least check it out.

I was kind of nervous, figuring I wouldn't know anybody, but much to my surprise, as soon as I walked in, I recognized the tournament director, Dennis Wilson, who warmly greeted me with a hug. When I walked into the ballroom, I saw Fat Wayne from Baltimore, Timmy Crown, Tom-Tom, Drug Fair, Parks. Soon I was feeling comfy sitting on the rail, sweating the matches with my pool buddies.

I went outside to smoke a cigarette, and out walks a player I recognized but had never met. It was Keith McCready. I initiated the conversation as we were puffing our smokes. He and I had a good friend in common which was Geese. Up walks this short man, and Keith introduced me to him as his road partner. I said, "I'm glad to meet you, Jose. Do you play pool too?" He chuckled, looked at Keith, and said yes. Later that week, Jose Parica won the tournament, BTW.

Keith and I went inside together. He had a friend with him named Larry Lisciotti who kept me in stitches laughing all night long. Larry, Keith, and myself were a threesome, it would seem. I was actually having a good time, laughing it up at Larry and Keith. What a combo!

The three of us stepped into an elevator and in walks this cocky blond-haired kid named Pistol Pete. He looked right at Keith and said, "You want to play some 9-ball?" Keith looks at him and says, "Well, sure. How do you want to play?" thinking he'd want a spot. The kid says, "I know exactly who you are, and I'll play your ass even for 100 bucks a game."

Well, Keith was, shall I say, on the shortskies for funds. Larry and I had some dough, and so we backed Keith 50/50. Keith wins the first game, and the kid immediately racks them. Larry says to me, "Did he get paid?" I said, "I don't know. I didn't see any money change hands." The second game, Keith wins it easy. The kid wastes no time and racks them again. This time, I said to Larry, "I don't see Keith getting paid." Larry walks over to Keith and asks him where's the cheese. Keith said the kid was going to pay him as soon as he got change. I'm thinking WTF. Change? It's $100 a game. Larry then instructed Keith to demand to be paid after the next game.

Keith again wins, and it was the third game. Pistol Pete walks over to his case on the rail, packs it up, and scurries out of the ballroom like a snake making a quick get-away. Well, Larry and me jump up and run after him, with Keith in the rears.

Outside in the lobby, a heated colloquy ensued. Pistol Pete says he ain't got no money and there ain't nothing any of us can do about it. I thought Larry was going to kill him. I was giving him a verbal lashing. However, Keith was calm as a cucumber. He listened to Pistol Pete intently, while me and Larry were hammering away at him with our anger. Keith then said to him, "Look, Kid, you shouldn't do that to people. It's okay. You can leave, but don't ever do that again to anybody, you hear?"

I was in disbelief, as was Larry. I didn't understand Keith's reaction then, but I do today. It is Keith's interpretation of that kid's air barrel that is the real meat of this story. Anybody else would have tarred and feathered the kid, but Keith only saw a young'n who wanted to play a good player for the thrill of it at all costs, even if it meant an air barrel.

Oh, BTW, we did run into Pistol Pete several months later in Baltimore. We walked into Bill and Billie's, and he was gambling with Danny Green, a local pool great, on the front table. You should have seen his eyes when he saw me and Keith walk in! What happened then, though, is a story for another thread!
 
Here's a copy-and-paste of my air barrel pool tale, which also touches on being a little green:

I almost hesitate to post this, but it's a true story about an air barrel, my first experience with a player by the name of Keith McCready. It all happened in Maryland at the Capital City Classic tournament.

I had been away from pool for at least 15 years or more. I ran into an old pool friend at Montgomery Mall who invited me to this pool tournament in Maryland. I really didn't want to go, truth be told, but he was insisting I should come and see the old gang. So I agreed to meet him there at a designated time.

As my luck would have it, I arrived at the parking lot of the hotel and received a phone call from him on my cell, stating he had to work late and couldn't make it. I almost didn't go in, but I was there, and so I figured I'd at least check it out.

I was kind of nervous, figuring I wouldn't know anybody, but much to my surprise, as soon as I walked in, I recognized the tournament director, Dennis Wilson, who warmly greeted me with a hug. When I walked into the ballroom, I saw Fat Wayne from Baltimore, Timmy Crown, Tom-Tom, Drug Fair, Parks. Soon I was feeling comfy sitting on the rail, sweating the matches with my pool buddies.

I went outside to smoke a cigarette, and out walks a player I recognized but had never met. It was Keith McCready. I initiated the conversation as we were puffing our smokes. He and I had a good friend in common which was Geese. Up walks this short man, and Keith introduced me to him as his road partner. I said, "I'm glad to meet you, Jose. Do you play pool too?" He chuckled, looked at Keith, and said yes. Later that week, Jose Parica won the tournament, BTW.

Keith and I went inside together. He had a friend with him named Larry Lisciotti who kept me in stitches laughing all night long. Larry, Keith, and myself were a threesome, it would seem. I was actually having a good time, laughing it up at Larry and Keith. What a combo!

The three of us stepped into an elevator and in walks this cocky blond-haired kid named Pistol Pete. He looked right at Keith and said, "You want to play some 9-ball?" Keith looks at him and says, "Well, sure. How do you want to play?" thinking he'd want a spot. The kid says, "I know exactly who you are, and I'll play your ass even for 100 bucks a game."

Well, Keith was, shall I say, on the shortskies for funds. Larry and I had some dough, and so we backed Keith 50/50. Keith wins the first game, and the kid immediately racks them. Larry says to me, "Did he get paid?" I said, "I don't know. I didn't see any money change hands." The second game, Keith wins it easy. The kid wastes no time and racks them again. This time, I said to Larry, "I don't see Keith getting paid." Larry walks over to Keith and asks him where's the cheese. Keith said the kid was going to pay him as soon as he got change. I'm thinking WTF. Change? It's $100 a game. Larry then instructed Keith to demand to be paid after the next game.

Keith again wins, and it was the third game. Pistol Pete walks over to his case on the rail, packs it up, and scurries out of the ballroom like a snake making a quick get-away. Well, Larry and me jump up and run after him, with Keith in the rears.

Outside in the lobby, a heated colloquy ensued. Pistol Pete says he ain't got no money and there ain't nothing any of us can do about it. I thought Larry was going to kill him. I was giving him a verbal lashing. However, Keith was calm as a cucumber. He listened to Pistol Pete intently, while me and Larry were hammering away at him with our anger. Keith then said to him, "Look, Kid, you shouldn't do that to people. It's okay. You can leave, but don't ever do that again to anybody, you hear?"

I was in disbelief, as was Larry. I didn't understand Keith's reaction then, but I do today. It is Keith's interpretation of that kid's air barrel that is the real meat of this story. Anybody else would have tarred and feathered the kid, but Keith only saw a young'n who wanted to play a good player for the thrill of it at all costs, even if it meant an air barrel.

Oh, BTW, we did run into Pistol Pete several months later in Baltimore. We walked into Bill and Billie's, and he was gambling with Danny Green, a local pool great, on the front table. You should have seen his eyes when he saw me and Keith walk in! What happened then, though, is a story for another thread!

Great story! I didn't know that Keith could be so calm!

I apologize if I hijacked your thread. I swear I did a search out there for possible gambling stories and didn't come accross any. I'm sure there are stories within other threads but my search didn't pull those up.
 
I think the guy who lost got what he had coming. If you gamble with no money, you are a piece of shit and deserve to lose your cue forever.

I went bust once and got $50 or $100 from a dude in the pool room for my Scruggs S-Pete...he sold it with the quickness. I felt like shit but Easy is a POS.
 
Great story! I didn't know that Keith could be so calm!

I apologize if I hijacked your thread. I swear I did a search out there for possible gambling stories and didn't come accross any. I'm sure there are stories within other threads but my search didn't pull those up.

Keith was really calm in a situation that others may not have been. I was giving the kid a tongue lashing, right up in his face, and Larry Lisciotti was seeing red. At one point, Larry reached over to grab the kid's cue case, trying to get it for collateral, and the kid immediately, quick as a bunny, put the strap of his case cross-body, so Larry couldn't get it. :D

I think Keith empathized with the kid just wanting the experience of gambling for big bucks; that is, what may have been big bucks to the kid. You could see the poor young'n didn't have much of a game, and Keith knew it. I actually think he felt sorry for him and wanted to let him wiggle out of the situation with just a stern warning. To Keith, I guess it was "no harm, no foul," but Larry and I felt quite differently about the air barrel.

The moral of the story, don't gamble unless the money is posted ahead of each game. ;)
 
Yeah, cause I couldn't wait to share a story with everyone that would get me crucified!

I'm starting to wonder if people actually read the whole thread, or because it's so long, do people just choose to skip over parts just to get to the end?

I don't want to challenge or doubt anyone's level of intelligence in this wonderful forum, but did anyone pick up on the fact that it happened long ago. I was inexperienced when it came to gambling and he was not clear as to what he wanted me to do with this cue?

Feel free to call me names. If it makes you feel better and that you're just superior to me, then go for it!

I shared an early gambling experience hoping others would share theirs. I was definitely not starting a thread to get myself flamed! If I had the chance to do it today, the outcome would be a lot different because I've had plenty of gambling experience, but I'm glad to see perfect people coming out to judge those of us that admittedly made mistakes when we were younger.


Pool talk is a whole different language, especially if you're new to this kind of environment and that's why the misunderstanding, BUT if someone offered to pay you $2500 for a cue that you considered as a "payment" for a $600 air barrel, that amount alone should have sound off an alarm that the guy will definitely come back for it. You're already a grown man at 25 when that happened, everybody will give you a pass if you were just 15...
 
Pool talk is a whole different language, especially if you're new to this kind of environment and that's why the misunderstanding, BUT if someone offered to pay you $2500 for a cue that you considered as a "payment" for a $600 air barrel, that amount alone should have sound off an alarm that the guy will definitely come back for it. You're already a grown man at 25 when that happened, everybody will give you a pass if you were just 15...


You are correct! I was a grown man by age. But in my pool age, I was still an infant. I had never heard of someone giving somebody something to hold onto as collateral for a gambling debt, and since he hadn't made it clear...

I think when I heard the offer, all sense of sensibility went out the window and all I saw was the large amount of hundreds spread out over the felt of the table. It was the largest money exchange I had ever had, and I jumped on it.

Mistake made and lesson learned on my part. I just hope we can move on from mine and hear more stories from other posters.
 
damn you stuck it to that guy both on the table and off.

thats just wrong...but ok, everyone makes mistakes in the pool room, especially when it comes to gambling. When I was still a teenager I come into the pool room and John Ditoro is playing this guy and beating him. The guy looks weak...but then yknow if someone is winning, often times the losing player looks weak when in fact they are not. So John goes to the bathroom and the guy hes playing comes up next to us to get his drink and my buddy goes how you doing? not good he says.. then i say, well your playing ditoro, you should get easier action like me! The guy goes...John Ditoro? and cracks his cue.

Ditoro walks out and the guy says hey I cant beat u and pays John. John is understandably mad because I just knocked his action.

So here's how smooth I am. The guy walks up to me and says hey you want to play me some? Im like sure...lets go. The guy then proceeds to stick it to me even, then beats me giving me the 8. It was Frankie Hernandez, on the road from NYC. lol

Ditoro loves to remind of that day. Ha, every once in a while he says...hey Remember when you knocked my action so you could get in line and go bust to Frankie Hernandez? lmao. the stupid retarded things people do in the heat of a gambling moment. At least I got to learn a good lesson out of it.
 
damn you stuck it to that guy both on the table and off.

thats just wrong...but ok, everyone makes mistakes in the pool room, especially when it comes to gambling. When I was still a teenager I come into the pool room and John Ditoro is playing this guy and beating him. The guy looks weak...but then yknow if someone is winning, often times the losing player looks weak when in fact they are not. So John goes to the bathroom and the guy hes playing comes up next to us to get his drink and my buddy goes how you doing? not good he says.. then i say, well your playing ditoro, you should get easier action like me! The guy goes...John Ditoro? and cracks his cue.

Ditoro walks out and the guy says hey I cant beat u and pays John. John is understandably mad because I just knocked his action.

So here's how smooth I am. The guy walks up to me and says hey you want to play me some? Im like sure...lets go. The guy then proceeds to stick it to me even, then beats me giving me the 8. It was Frankie Hernandez, on the road from NYC. lol

Ditoro loves to remind of that day. Ha, every once in a while he says...hey Remember when you knocked my action so you could get in line and go bust to Frankie Hernandez? lmao. the stupid retarded things people do in the heat of a gambling moment. At least I got to learn a good lesson out of it.

LOLOLOLOL! Great story. :rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
 
You are correct! I was a grown man by age. But in my pool age, I was still an infant. I had never heard of someone giving somebody something to hold onto as collateral for a gambling debt, and since he hadn't made it clear...

I think when I heard the offer, all sense of sensibility went out the window and all I saw was the large amount of hundreds spread out over the felt of the table. It was the largest money exchange I had ever had, and I jumped on it.

Mistake made and lesson learned on my part. I just hope we can move on from mine and hear more stories from other posters.


Thank you for sharing your story btw, although I'm sure you knew there's a chance you might get ragged on in here. My comment wasn't meant to demean or offend you, because we all have our own share of brain farts, and that I am very sure...

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