Interesting early gambling experiences!

So I agreed and now he owed me $600. So in all it would be $1000. My heart was racing, I thought I was walking out of there with $1000. My wife will be so happy! I was wrong. He tells me that he doesn't have the $600 that he owes me, but that he would let me have his playing cue for now. For now? I thought he meant that we would play again someday and that he would win his money back. That is NOT what he meant at all! So I tell him, that I don't know what his cue is worth, and he asks me if I'm beeing serious. He asks this guy at the table next to him if he thought his cue was worth $600 and the guy said that he would give him $600 right now for it. Here I am playing with a McDermott with the picture of the soldier laying down on it, and this guy has this real pretty cue, but to me it's just a cue. I'm not a big pool cue know it all. So I agree and take his cue.

The ONLY problem that occured in this fiasco was that the owner of the cue played WITHOUT having the money to cover his bet beforehand.

If he had run out of money and wanted to use his cue as "money" or collateral then he should have made it KNOWN that it was a Richard Black cue worth a hell of a lot more than $600 and then they could have decided upon its worth and paid up or quit at that point.

I've owned two Richard Blacks and know what they were worth and never would have put them up for collateral for LESS than the market value. If he couldn't have covered his gambling then he shouldn't gamble.

It reminds me of an Air Force guy I saw playing the owner of the pool hall outside the gate of Biloxi AFB, MS back in 1973. The Air Force guy played a hell of a lot better than the pool hall owner and was killing him heads up. Then the guy demanded a spot and eventually the Air Force guy was giving him the 7, 8, and 9. When the other guy finally got even and then progressed to bust the Air Force guy, the AF guy refused to quit when he ran out of cash. He wanted to sell his cue to the pool hall owner and the guy said he had plenty of cues and didn't want to buy it. The AF guy had an original Rambow cue and I can't remember how much he wanted the guy to buy it from him for, but eventually they decided they would play a set for $500 up against the cue, which the AF guy then lost. Long story, short....the AF guy left without his cash or his cue. Moral of the story...if you lose your money, then your cue...too damn bad!!!
 
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You know there's a lot of things that I wish I knew then. Cue as collateral for one. Value of cues would be another.

I remember looking at the cue and thinking it was nice, but i still didn't realize what it was that I had! Even after I accepted the guys offer and he told me that it was a Richard Black and what it was worth, it still did not register. I knew nothing about cues then. I knew that I loved my McDermott. Silly little picture on it and all. To me at that time, I thought that Schon's and Joss' were the best cues made, because they were the most expensive. I never even knew that there were custom cues out there.

I remember the day that my focus changed to custom cues. I registered for the Cornhusker Games. It was Nebraska's version of the Olympics, only pool was one of the events and I have no clue what and if there were other ones. Anyways the tournament was in Lincoln, NE and I forget the name of the establishment that held the tournament, but I know that it was a combination pool hall and bowling alley. Anyways, the owner (Tom ?), had a lot of production cues and some other cues called Kikel's. I'd never seen a Kikel before and immediately fell in love with them. Tom told me that he was a partner to Dave Kikel himself and that if I wanted one specially made that he could have Dave do that for me. So actually with assistance from a couple of friends and some minor suggestions from Mr. Kikel, the design was finished. I had the cue back in 8 months and it immediately became my prize possession and started me down this life long love affair of pool and everything associated with it!

I wish that Jack would have done what HawaiianEye mentioned. If he would have explained exactly what he had, I would have gladly used his cue as his currency and continued to play.

Anyone invent a time machine yet?
 
Brozif, once he gave you the cue, it was your cue to do what you want with.

I have one for you. I played this guy around 10-15 years ago in a pool hall in Columbus, Ohio for some cheap sets. I win around $400. Find out later he does not have the money and he is known for stiffing people. So I go over the biggest and baddest individual I see that was watching the match. He asks me how I did and I tell him how much I won and the whole story about the guy not wanting to pay and wanting a week or so to make the payment. He asks e what I'm planning on doing, And I said it is simple. I'll sell the $400 he OSS me for $100. But he will have to get it out of the other guy. He gives me $100 for the debt and tells the guy he has 24 hours to pay or there will be trouble. The guy pays him the $400 the next day. I run into the guy I sold the debt to every once in a while and he always buys me a drink! :)
 
Brozif, once he gave you the cue, it was your cue to do what you want with.

I have one for you. I played this guy around 10-15 years ago in a pool hall in Columbus, Ohio for some cheap sets. I win around $400. Find out later he does not have the money and he is known for stiffing people. So I go over the biggest and baddest individual I see that was watching the match. He asks me how I did and I tell him how much I won and the whole story about the guy not wanting to pay and wanting a week or so to make the payment. He asks e what I'm planning on doing, And I said it is simple. I'll sell the $400 he OSS me for $100. But he will have to get it out of the other guy. He gives me $100 for the debt and tells the guy he has 24 hours to pay or there will be trouble. The guy pays him the $400 the next day. I run into the guy I sold the debt to every once in a while and he always buys me a drink! :)

I never heard of that being done before! That was awesome! And smart!
 
That my friend is the beautiful and sexy Yu Ram Cha. There are many beautiful and skilled female pool players, but when I saw Yu Ram Cha, she went straight to the top of my hottest of the hot lists.

Personally, I don't think there was anything wrong with what the OP did in his story. I liked the story and believe he understood the cue to be his in leiu of payment. I back those who say it was the losers fault for gambling money he didn't have. Heck, Brozif didn't even want to run up the bet that high in the first place.

Ah yes, Ms. Cha. Very nice pics.
 
That my friend is the beautiful and sexy Yu Ram Cha. There are many beautiful and skilled female pool players, but when I saw Yu Ram Cha, she went straight to the top of my hottest of the hot lists.

Personally, I don't think there was anything wrong with what the OP did in his story. I liked the story and believe he understood the cue to be his in leiu of payment. I back those who say it was the losers fault for gambling money he didn't have. Heck, Brozif didn't even want to run up the bet that high in the first place.

Hott and you say she can play, my my I think I found a futher mrs.
 
There would have been an issue there. That would never happen to me as I wouldn't play on borrowed anything. However, in that situation, if you walk over and sell my debt to someone else, then they are out of luck. So you looked for the biggest and baddest person in the place, someone else can find someone who is bigger and badder. Just a dumb move, if you don't want to wait the week, then it's on you. But no way I'm paying the debt to someone else that didn't even have an interest in the game.

MAYBE, if he was the stakeholder, but just because he was menacing looking, no way.

Brozif, once he gave you the cue, it was your cue to do what you want with.

I have one for you. I played this guy around 10-15 years ago in a pool hall in Columbus, Ohio for some cheap sets. I win around $400. Find out later he does not have the money and he is known for stiffing people. So I go over the biggest and baddest individual I see that was watching the match. He asks me how I did and I tell him how much I won and the whole story about the guy not wanting to pay and wanting a week or so to make the payment. He asks e what I'm planning on doing, And I said it is simple. I'll sell the $400 he OSS me for $100. But he will have to get it out of the other guy. He gives me $100 for the debt and tells the guy he has 24 hours to pay or there will be trouble. The guy pays him the $400 the next day. I run into the guy I sold the debt to every once in a while and he always buys me a drink! :)
 
Originally Posted by risky biz
There are oh, so many things in this that scream BS!!!

And what have you gained by saying this?

I wouldn't spend anytime defending myself over and over if I was lying. Again, I have no reason to lie to any of you, but if that's what you want to believe then go for it.

I can't wait to post my next lie so that I can get bashed by people like you. That feels oh, so good! But I guess since this didn't happen to you, it must be a lie.

You have a nice day! And feel free to not post on any of my future threads as I have no use for people that challenge my integrity without personally knowing me.

Just when the thread was turning in a positive way, somebody has to come along and spread hate and discontent.

I apologize to everyone for this outburst, but this is truly getting old.

I accept and I apologize for telling you what I thought of your story.
 
a lot of strange tales

Originally Posted by risky biz
There are oh, so many things in this that scream BS!!!



I accept and I apologize for telling you what I thought of your story.


If you really think about them a lot of the tales of happenings around a pool hall or at pool tables somewhere else scream BS. Who would believe that somebody that doesn't play pool comes along and wants to bet $20,000 to $50,000 at a time to play top players? How about that he dropped hundreds of thousands?

Over the course of a year or so besides playing the guy a lot of more typical pool I played somebody with two different mops, two different brooms, and one game of bar table eight ball for $80,000. A dozen more tales that sound equally like BS if you weren't there. The reason they are remembered out of thousands of nights of playing pool is because they were unusual.

Think about Detroit in it's heyday, Johnston City, even a lot of the goings on in New Orleans and Baton Rouge. Would a person who wasn't familiar with the pool world think that most of these tales were wildest BS? Add the action goings on at most of the big events now or the Calcutta at a small pool hall in South Louisiana today. I have seen tens of thousands bet on a chicken fight and fifty thousand on a two horse race by two men that were both poor. They were hunting each other at post time to bet more and friends of both caught them and physically kept them from getting to each other to double the bet again at post time. The bet had started off at $1000 and somebody was fixing to lose their home and farm, literally, if they got together again that morning at a small brush track south of Lafayette Louisiana. This was in the early eighties and thousands of dollars changed hands at brush tracks all over the state. A fair sized local income property was won in a poker game.

Gambling, with or without a little alcohol and other chemicals mixed in, makes for some strange situations especially when both sides think they are iron clad locks to win. Over a certain minimum skill level almost anyone can catch on fire or go on tilt on a pool table too. Frustration boiling over has cost many a player a lot of money especially when the other player is either getting extremely lucky or appears to be.

Just a reminder to all who doubt, strange things do happen. I've only seen over a hundred challenges on a table at one time once, and I was the one being challenged! Think I'll type it up although I have told the story several times other places.

Hu
 
Just a challenge table in a small town . . .

Longer term members will recognize this tale but it is an odd one. Sometime in the seventies things were slow. I had two mortgages to pay and the other bills associated with a home and business and the business was dead and jobs not to be found. I had been making a little money with my circle track car driving carefully to maximize cash and minimize repairs and some cash off of the pool tables but the racing season was over and I had been doing odd jobs here and there to make a buck and hitting the pool tables nightly, grinding instead of the usual playing for fun. Pool was my primary source of income.

Purely by accident I found out a friend that I had been racing cars with and partnering with on some brutally hard and dangerous odd jobs could play pool. He was a genuine flake and could get things stirring anywhere he went, good or bad! Took us over twelve hours to drive to Houston from West Baton Rouge one night, probably shouldn't have started a serious business trip at night. It took us ten hours to make the fifty-sixty mile trip from Baton Rouge to Lafayette with "a few stops" along the way.

We had banged balls around on a pool table when drinking beer a couple times but neither had shown any real speed. One day we had been working under eighteen wheelers all day in a gravel parking lot for peanuts and stopped to have a beer. As I was fixing to stick a couple quarters in a table two guys came up wanting to play partners eightball for a beer each against me and my partner. I figured I could carry Bobby enough that we won a lot more beer than we lost so after checking with him the game was on.

We lost the flip and one of the other players broke. Bobby got up and ran the table out with an old house cue from their break, stone cold after busting knuckles all day turning wrenches. Then he ran seven more tables from the break while I sat there stunned that we had been working like dogs to make a hundred or two a week. When we were done we had thirteen beers in front of each of us and I had shot twice.

We hadn't made it to the truck before I told Bobby, "We gotta talk." Two days later we started our first little road trip and we didn't do any more hard labor for little money. Got air barreled anyway after working two and a half days around the clock wrenching on eighteen wheelers in the daytime and hauling wheat with them all night which sucks a lot more than getting air barreled on a pool table!

A few months later Bobby and I are just doing a little local prowling. We might be gone six or eight hours or a week, we might drive twenty miles or a thousand, things were kind of fluid. It was a week night and we stopped in a country honky-tonk with a pool table that was about fifty miles east of us, away from my usual haunts south and west in cajun country. It was a happening place on the weekend, there were bands and hundreds of people put on their finery and boiled out of the piney woods for many miles around. This was before dark during the week though and the place was dead. As usual I let Bobby lead the way about five minutes and then I ambled inside. Twelve or fifteen men in the place besides the bartender and two female type ladies sitting alone. Bobby was already on the challenge table and I saw money changing hands so no rush to get over there and stir things up.

I walked over to the ladies and inquired if I could buy them a drink. "Oh yes, little Millers please!" Not what I had meant but nothing like cheap dates. I grabbed a can of beer and two little Millers and set up shop with the ladies for an hour or so. I was watching Bobby stick a five in his pocket every few minutes which wasn't bad when minimum wage was $1.25 an hour and that was what most of the guys playing him worked for. Most of the guys in the place were around the table now and there were about a dozen challenges staying on it. The pool game was the only entertainment in the place aside from the ladies whom I seemed to be the only one interested in this early and I have to admit I was mostly killing time.

Bobby wasn't the best at splitting the cash sometimes so I decided I might want to get involved over on the pool table. I put my challenge up and when it made it's way to the top Bobby missed a ball about halfway through his run. When Bobby missed a ball playing me I always took it as an indication it was time for me to take over and I took the table. My hair was the longest in the place although barely over my collar and my beard was full, a beard which meant hippie to all good country boys at the time although I was a lot more country than hippie myself. There were plenty of challenges on the table and I went to chopping wood. I got greedy and dropped my normal stall in such situations and just won game after game as fast as I could.

The more I won the more the challenges on the table grew. Soon I couldn't lose or I would have been done for the night. Some guys were putting down ten to twenty challenges at a time so the table would have been tied up for hours. At one time the challenges one twenty-five cent piece wide lined one entire side of the eight foot table except the pocket irons and three-fourths of the other side.

The country boys were mad and insulted that a damned hippie stranger had came in and was cleaning their clocks. Each one wanted to be the one playing me when I lost although there were maybe three that had any thought that they had a decent chance of beating me. The rest, which grew to close to thirty sometimes, were just hoping to be the one playing me when I gave away a game.

I didn't play anything close to perfect pool but most of the other players were bangers and I did tighten up when I was playing one of the few that could run a few balls. They finally gave up after daylight the next morning when some had to go to work, straight from the bar! I hadn't lost a game and every pocket was crammed with fives won, aside from a handful or two I had given to Bobby since it was no secret we were together after the first few hours. That was one thing that set off the strange dynamic I believe. Normally somebody would have wanted to fight a stranger taking their money but while Bobby wasn't big he was known in the place as a scrapper and willing to get in a whittling contest with anyone. I was a little bigger and no stranger to fighting myself so with Bobby covering my back nobody really wanted to party.

Finished the night or actually started the new day by Bobby and I escorting the two ladies to my truck, the only two who had been in the place all night. In turn we were escorted by the remaining men that had been left in the place. We took their money and their ladies but they didn't quite want to tangle with us so we rode away in peace.

No real count on the total but I had two shirt pockets, a t-shirt pocket, and all four pockets of my jeans stuffed tight with fives and a folded wad in a boot where I had dumped most of what I had won in the first hour or so when I made a pass by the bathroom mostly for that purpose. I gave Bobby one front pocket of fives without counting it along with all he had taken before I started playing and what I had handed him during the night. Three or four days later I still had big wads of fives left after using a good bit of the money.

As mentioned Bobby had a gift for being in the middle of things. It was a rare trip when we didn't wind up in real danger of being shot, arrested, or mobbed, didn't matter how innocently things started. When my business picked up I gave up the trips with Bobby. Good fun at the time but there was a cold wind of caution blowing through me even as young and wild as I was. One of our running partners got killed in the wrong woman's bed and Bobby was investigated for a murder which I don't think he was involved in. The man was toting a lot of money and Bobby had been playing pool with him a little before he was robbed and killed. Having a less than sterling reputation Bobby was a prime suspect and was hauled in and questioned for hours over and over until he left Louisiana for years. Just luck I wasn't caught up in that mess as they had been playing in the same place where I first learned Bobby could play pool.

Other than Bobby I traveled alone or with one of several big guys that didn't really play pool whose main purpose was to see that I got out of a place in one piece. One regret is that I turned down a chance to travel with a top road player but my business was doing good at the time, I had a home, and he was sleeping in his car.

Hu
 
Brozif, once he gave you the cue, it was your cue to do what you want with.

I have one for you. I played this guy around 10-15 years ago in a pool hall in Columbus, Ohio for some cheap sets. I win around $400. Find out later he does not have the money and he is known for stiffing people. So I go over the biggest and baddest individual I see that was watching the match. He asks me how I did and I tell him how much I won and the whole story about the guy not wanting to pay and wanting a week or so to make the payment. He asks e what I'm planning on doing, And I said it is simple. I'll sell the $400 he OSS me for $100. But he will have to get it out of the other guy. He gives me $100 for the debt and tells the guy he has 24 hours to pay or there will be trouble. The guy pays him the $400 the next day. I run into the guy I sold the debt to every once in a while and he always buys me a drink! :)

I never heard of that being done before! That was awesome! And smart!

I think this is called extortion.
 
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It was early 80's probably 82 or 83, I was 16 and had a Viking with a red wrap and a brass joint, first 2 piece cue I ever had. Thought I could play a little since I could run out 5 or 6 balls on a bar box sometime run the whole table won some cash off the other kids here and there. At the time I lived in a small town just south of Indianapolis called Franklin, we played at the Space Center which was mostly video games maybe 6 Valleys and a snooker table. I took my game on the road since I had recently got my license to Mr & Miss Cue in Indy on the south side. The gold crowns were absolutely huge looked like a football field. I played a little by myself before a couple of guys my age came over to talk. Eventually we played a little for a few dollars 8 ball as I recall I played a guy by the name of Scotty and the other guy was George he just watched. We broke even at the 8 ball and they introduced me to a game where you made all your balls in 1 pocket at the far end of the table. The George guy was instrumental in changing the game and it seemed pretty easy just make 8 balls in your pocket before the other guy makes 8 in his pocket. About two hours later I was out my bankroll and my cue not much cash 60 or 80 bucks but all I had. The George guy never hit a ball, Scotty did not do anything playing that 1 pocket I couldn't do, I just never had a shot at my pocket I was steamed when I left. That was my introduction to George Breedlove. I got to know George much later and we made some money together but that is a different story.
 
Not my tale but my dads. My dad never played well but he had a cousin and another friend he ran around with. The other 2 both played very good and most the time they played for the cash in the bars but had also played at the rack. They all had regular jobs at the factories so no one was trying to make a living at it.

Dad said that is where they all had met Red. He claimed his cousin (Manning) played real close to Red's speed. Manning was from Columbus OH. Dad and Charles Roberts(Stud) were both from KY.

Dad said they never busted a guy if they could help it so they always had action. I believe it was sometime in the 70's in Detroit. Actually in a hole just outside of Detroit in River Rouge and one regulars was on tilt betting more than normal that Friday night he was drinking heavy and pissed. pick one(old lady ran off, his dog bit him and his truck was repo'ed) They had him for 1000 and he was getting out of hand mad and drinking more so they let him play it down and quit him 5-600 up. They moved on and made there way thru the bars that night.

He found out Saturday night that a man had been killed Friday night. He had just beat a drunk out of his last dime. The drunk left but came back a couple minutes later and blew the guys brains out. The drunk was the same guy they had stuck for 1000 and backed off of.

This was my dads last weekend running this way. He said he decided he had 3 kids and a wife to provide for and this could have been him.

call bs, call me a liar, call dad a liar, makes no difference to me.

As for myself the only interesting gambling I have done is cash against a guy who was paying his side in fresh ground pork sausage:grin:

Probably would have been Howard Manning if he was from Columbus
 
Longer term members will recognize this tale but it is an odd one. Sometime in the seventies things were slow. I had two mortgages to pay and the other bills associated with a home and business and the business was dead and jobs not to be found. I had been making a little money with my circle track car driving carefully to maximize cash and minimize repairs and some cash off of the pool tables but the racing season was over and I had been doing odd jobs here and there to make a buck and hitting the pool tables nightly, grinding instead of the usual playing for fun. Pool was my primary source of income.

Purely by accident I found out a friend that I had been racing cars with and partnering with on some brutally hard and dangerous odd jobs could play pool. He was a genuine flake and could get things stirring anywhere he went, good or bad! Took us over twelve hours to drive to Houston from West Baton Rouge one night, probably shouldn't have started a serious business trip at night. It took us ten hours to make the fifty-sixty mile trip from Baton Rouge to Lafayette with "a few stops" along the way.

We had banged balls around on a pool table when drinking beer a couple times but neither had shown any real speed. One day we had been working under eighteen wheelers all day in a gravel parking lot for peanuts and stopped to have a beer. As I was fixing to stick a couple quarters in a table two guys came up wanting to play partners eightball for a beer each against me and my partner. I figured I could carry Bobby enough that we won a lot more beer than we lost so after checking with him the game was on.

We lost the flip and one of the other players broke. Bobby got up and ran the table out with an old house cue from their break, stone cold after busting knuckles all day turning wrenches. Then he ran seven more tables from the break while I sat there stunned that we had been working like dogs to make a hundred or two a week. When we were done we had thirteen beers in front of each of us and I had shot twice.

We hadn't made it to the truck before I told Bobby, "We gotta talk." Two days later we started our first little road trip and we didn't do any more hard labor for little money. Got air barreled anyway after working two and a half days around the clock wrenching on eighteen wheelers in the daytime and hauling wheat with them all night which sucks a lot more than getting air barreled on a pool table!

A few months later Bobby and I are just doing a little local prowling. We might be gone six or eight hours or a week, we might drive twenty miles or a thousand, things were kind of fluid. It was a week night and we stopped in a country honky-tonk with a pool table that was about fifty miles east of us, away from my usual haunts south and west in cajun country. It was a happening place on the weekend, there were bands and hundreds of people put on their finery and boiled out of the piney woods for many miles around. This was before dark during the week though and the place was dead. As usual I let Bobby lead the way about five minutes and then I ambled inside. Twelve or fifteen men in the place besides the bartender and two female type ladies sitting alone. Bobby was already on the challenge table and I saw money changing hands so no rush to get over there and stir things up.

I walked over to the ladies and inquired if I could buy them a drink. "Oh yes, little Millers please!" Not what I had meant but nothing like cheap dates. I grabbed a can of beer and two little Millers and set up shop with the ladies for an hour or so. I was watching Bobby stick a five in his pocket every few minutes which wasn't bad when minimum wage was $1.25 an hour and that was what most of the guys playing him worked for. Most of the guys in the place were around the table now and there were about a dozen challenges staying on it. The pool game was the only entertainment in the place aside from the ladies whom I seemed to be the only one interested in this early and I have to admit I was mostly killing time.

Bobby wasn't the best at splitting the cash sometimes so I decided I might want to get involved over on the pool table. I put my challenge up and when it made it's way to the top Bobby missed a ball about halfway through his run. When Bobby missed a ball playing me I always took it as an indication it was time for me to take over and I took the table. My hair was the longest in the place although barely over my collar and my beard was full, a beard which meant hippie to all good country boys at the time although I was a lot more country than hippie myself. There were plenty of challenges on the table and I went to chopping wood. I got greedy and dropped my normal stall in such situations and just won game after game as fast as I could.

The more I won the more the challenges on the table grew. Soon I couldn't lose or I would have been done for the night. Some guys were putting down ten to twenty challenges at a time so the table would have been tied up for hours. At one time the challenges one twenty-five cent piece wide lined one entire side of the eight foot table except the pocket irons and three-fourths of the other side.

The country boys were mad and insulted that a damned hippie stranger had came in and was cleaning their clocks. Each one wanted to be the one playing me when I lost although there were maybe three that had any thought that they had a decent chance of beating me. The rest, which grew to close to thirty sometimes, were just hoping to be the one playing me when I gave away a game.

I didn't play anything close to perfect pool but most of the other players were bangers and I did tighten up when I was playing one of the few that could run a few balls. They finally gave up after daylight the next morning when some had to go to work, straight from the bar! I hadn't lost a game and every pocket was crammed with fives won, aside from a handful or two I had given to Bobby since it was no secret we were together after the first few hours. That was one thing that set off the strange dynamic I believe. Normally somebody would have wanted to fight a stranger taking their money but while Bobby wasn't big he was known in the place as a scrapper and willing to get in a whittling contest with anyone. I was a little bigger and no stranger to fighting myself so with Bobby covering my back nobody really wanted to party.

Finished the night or actually started the new day by Bobby and I escorting the two ladies to my truck, the only two who had been in the place all night. In turn we were escorted by the remaining men that had been left in the place. We took their money and their ladies but they didn't quite want to tangle with us so we rode away in peace.

No real count on the total but I had two shirt pockets, a t-shirt pocket, and all four pockets of my jeans stuffed tight with fives and a folded wad in a boot where I had dumped most of what I had won in the first hour or so when I made a pass by the bathroom mostly for that purpose. I gave Bobby one front pocket of fives without counting it along with all he had taken before I started playing and what I had handed him during the night. Three or four days later I still had big wads of fives left after using a good bit of the money.

As mentioned Bobby had a gift for being in the middle of things. It was a rare trip when we didn't wind up in real danger of being shot, arrested, or mobbed, didn't matter how innocently things started. When my business picked up I gave up the trips with Bobby. Good fun at the time but there was a cold wind of caution blowing through me even as young and wild as I was. One of our running partners got killed in the wrong woman's bed and Bobby was investigated for a murder which I don't think he was involved in. The man was toting a lot of money and Bobby had been playing pool with him a little before he was robbed and killed. Having a less than sterling reputation Bobby was a prime suspect and was hauled in and questioned for hours over and over until he left Louisiana for years. Just luck I wasn't caught up in that mess as they had been playing in the same place where I first learned Bobby could play pool.

Other than Bobby I traveled alone or with one of several big guys that didn't really play pool whose main purpose was to see that I got out of a place in one piece. One regret is that I turned down a chance to travel with a top road player but my business was doing good at the time, I had a home, and he was sleeping in his car.

Hu

We had a pool player who lived in his car in the parking lot for a couple of years {not much of a story by itself } except part of one year he sublet out the backseat to a horsetrack guy.
 
If you really think about them a lot of the tales of happenings around a pool hall or at pool tables somewhere else scream BS. Who would believe that somebody that doesn't play pool comes along and wants to bet $20,000 to $50,000 at a time to play top players? How about that he dropped hundreds of thousands?

Over the course of a year or so besides playing the guy a lot of more typical pool I played somebody with two different mops, two different brooms, and one game of bar table eight ball for $80,000. A dozen more tales that sound equally like BS if you weren't there. The reason they are remembered out of thousands of nights of playing pool is because they were unusual.

Think about Detroit in it's heyday, Johnston City, even a lot of the goings on in New Orleans and Baton Rouge. Would a person who wasn't familiar with the pool world think that most of these tales were wildest BS? Add the action goings on at most of the big events now or the Calcutta at a small pool hall in South Louisiana today. I have seen tens of thousands bet on a chicken fight and fifty thousand on a two horse race by two men that were both poor. They were hunting each other at post time to bet more and friends of both caught them and physically kept them from getting to each other to double the bet again at post time. The bet had started off at $1000 and somebody was fixing to lose their home and farm, literally, if they got together again that morning at a small brush track south of Lafayette Louisiana. This was in the early eighties and thousands of dollars changed hands at brush tracks all over the state. A fair sized local income property was won in a poker game.

Gambling, with or without a little alcohol and other chemicals mixed in, makes for some strange situations especially when both sides think they are iron clad locks to win. Over a certain minimum skill level almost anyone can catch on fire or go on tilt on a pool table too. Frustration boiling over has cost many a player a lot of money especially when the other player is either getting extremely lucky or appears to be.

Just a reminder to all who doubt, strange things do happen. I've only seen over a hundred challenges on a table at one time once, and I was the one being challenged! Think I'll type it up although I have told the story several times other places.

Hu

I don't find anything particularly unbelievable in any of those stories.
 
Funny you can remember this, but I asked you about things at Bruces and at the Student Union and your memory was hazy. :smile:

It was early 80's probably 82 or 83, I was 16 and had a Viking with a red wrap and a brass joint, first 2 piece cue I ever had. Thought I could play a little since I could run out 5 or 6 balls on a bar box sometime run the whole table won some cash off the other kids here and there. At the time I lived in a small town just south of Indianapolis called Franklin, we played at the Space Center which was mostly video games maybe 6 Valleys and a snooker table. I took my game on the road since I had recently got my license to Mr & Miss Cue in Indy on the south side. The gold crowns were absolutely huge looked like a football field. I played a little by myself before a couple of guys my age came over to talk. Eventually we played a little for a few dollars 8 ball as I recall I played a guy by the name of Scotty and the other guy was George he just watched. We broke even at the 8 ball and they introduced me to a game where you made all your balls in 1 pocket at the far end of the table. The George guy was instrumental in changing the game and it seemed pretty easy just make 8 balls in your pocket before the other guy makes 8 in his pocket. About two hours later I was out my bankroll and my cue not much cash 60 or 80 bucks but all I had. The George guy never hit a ball, Scotty did not do anything playing that 1 pocket I couldn't do, I just never had a shot at my pocket I was steamed when I left. That was my introduction to George Breedlove. I got to know George much later and we made some money together but that is a different story.
 
My first taste of gambling was at 12 years of age. I lost my 50 cents weekly allowance over and over to Tommy Sneath. His hustle was that he looked like 12, but was actually 15 at the time! He turned out to be a pretty good player in later years and a nice fella to boot. Hope he's still around.
 
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