interesting opening break

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I might be wrong but with hand racking there might of been a small gap in between the one ball and the next two. I do not think that shot would of gone if they would of used a rack.
 
usualy i agree blindly with almost everything Mike is posting.)
But the first ball into the sidepocket in my opinion has the greatest percentage to make if you have a full frozen rack. And if it s not frozen, the ball will be much harder.

Sure it s still risky to try this ball in a tournament. But on the tables we used to train every minute each day (long long time ago, LOL), we made this ball sure with about 65/70 percent.
I would never try it on a totally unknown table in tournament-just in training-sessions.

p.s.- Against you, Mikey my friend, i would for SURE never try this ball unless i have a good book or newspaper with me :p

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Ratta said:
usualy i agree blindly with almost everything Mike is posting.)
But the first ball into the sidepocket in my opinion has the greatest percentage to make if you have a full frozen rack. And if it s not frozen, the ball will be much harder.

Sure it s still risky to try this ball in a tournament. But on the tables we used to train every minute each day (long long time ago, LOL), we made this ball sure with about 65/70 percent.
I would never try it on a totally unknown table in tournament-just in training-sessions.

p.s.- Against you, Mikey my friend, i would for SURE never try this ball unless i have a good book or newspaper with me :p

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No problem, that is why I stated that I was not sure about the shot. I have never attempted it or seen anyone in a match attempt it.
I would never attempted a shot like that. I remember a Thread one time over shots like this one stating that it shows your opponent disrespect. There were comments to both sides of the argument. Some saying it was, some saying it wasn't. I think it shows disrespect.
Like my mentor Leroy Kinman always told me: "There are plenty of men in the poor house over shots like that".
 
I think this shot is very similar to the 9-ball soft break Corey Deuel and others were using with the Sardo rack.

This guy must have been extremely confident in the shot. Against someone very good, if he misses, he may never see the table again.
 
Hand racking will generally give a tighter rack than the typical triangle rack because the table has been tapped.

I note that he breaks from half a diamond on the head rail and cuts the head ball enough that the cue ball goes directly to the foot rail. I have never seen the shot played like that before. I have seen it played more like an eight ball break -- nearly full and maybe with follow. The way he did it, he could probably call his second shot as well.

If I knew I was better then 50% to make the shot, I'd have to take it, especially if I felt that my opponent was more experienced at safety play and more likely to get the first shot after a normal safety break.

Whether the rules should allow a called ball on the break is a different matter.
 
@Poolmouse. hrhr^^

a nice *safety-battle* in a close straight-pool match of course have something of a war. Suddenly the balls are getting bigger and the pockets are shrinking! I swear i noticed this a lot of times, but noone believes me, lol!

keep shooting,

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Bob Jewett said:
Whether the rules should allow a called ball on the break is a different matter.
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Please expand on this point.

The current rules say that a called ball has to go into a specified pocket. If he wants to do that on the break, similar to any other cluster shot, why should the rules prohibit that practice? I really don't understand.
 
Dd

I would've paid to listen to Danny D commentate that match!

Commentator #2: "He's called the head ball into the side pocket"

Danny: "What????? I don't believe he's calling that! That's suicidal. That's a sucker shot. There's no way any player, I don't care who they are, should play a ball on the opening break. He's just asking to sleep in the street. The only type of player who calls a shot like that is one who's mad at their wallet"
 
ron f said:
i would've paid to listen to danny d commentate that match!

Commentator #2: "he's called the head ball into the side pocket"

danny: "what????? I don't believe he's calling that! That's suicidal. That's a sucker shot. There's no way any player, i don't care who they are, should play a ball on the opening break. He's just asking to sleep in the street. The only type of player who calls a shot like that is one who's mad at their wallet"
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tap, tap, tap !!!!
 
So now that straight pool is also broken because of racking templates, what do we do now? :grin-square:



j/k.
 
Call a ball and pocket. Very nice soft but absolute stroke break. I bet he is the favorite to make that ball with those conditions.
 
For those of you who remember the movie with James Coburn and Omar Sharif, that's the "Baltimore Bullet" break.
 
Try it, see how often it goes for you. Then try it against someone who plays the game real well. See if it goes for you then. Try it against someone who can play, for money. Then try it in a tournament against someone who can play a little.
It's been around for years but I've only seen it played when the opponents were of very dissimilar skill, by the stronger player. And, long before the Baltimore Bullet.
 
BayGene said:
For those of you who remember the movie with James Coburn and Omar Sharif, that's the "Baltimore Bullet" break.
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if you are talking about the break by He, no it's not. As far as I recall "BB" break is rail first into the corner ball from the back of the rack sending the head ball two rails in the side.

If you missed my thread of last year where I posted this first time you might check it. Specifically this post. I cut out the break only and added slow replay. I can't remember whether it was posted at AZB or our local forum but those who witnessed this match reported Mario He practiced this very shot several times just prior to the start. So he checked if it worked and all he had to do was win a lag :wink:

...probably youtube upload was made of one of my records.
 
Thanks for the correction. You're right. The "James Coburn" break was two rails first to the back of the stack, pushing the noseball into the side pocket.
 
actually, i can see this shot making more sense against a Stronger player, rather than a weaker one.

for example, if i were up against John Schmidt, or Thorsten, or Ralf, or Steve Lipsky, or... well, we could list a couple hundred...

and if i've practiced this shot and can make it 60% of the time, what do you think my chances are in a safety battle with any of the above? a LOT less than 60% is the answer. so it might actually be the smarter move.

just for kicks, i tried this shot 2 nights ago the minute i got to the room i play in, and made it on the first try.
 
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