International Open

[HawaiianEye]

Better yet, like tennis do sets with breaks between each set.
Semi pro best 2 outta three, and in the pros, best 3 outta 5.
Works for tennis for decades.
The spot shot thing tho, is childish.
Be like watching Nicklaus tied after 18 holes do a shoot out with closest to the hole on a par three for the win.

The spot thing is idiotic.

Why don’t they just set up different shots and play “HORSE”.

LMAO.

 

[gregcantrall]

Hypothetical:
What if the mistake was discovered a few racks later? A good lawyer would have a case for rewind back to the score before the erroneous break and proceed with the proper breaker.

 

[VVP]

I've never seen the even number player break when the score adds up to an odd number. That would be a first for me, but please show me one tournament where it was done that way. I love the stats that you provide but please don't confuse people about something as basic as this. It's only been done one way in every tournament I've ever been involved in (hundreds) and every tournament I've ever gone to (thousands).

It's possible a mistake was made in the breaking order in this match. That is a common occurence when playing alternate break. That is why we just remember to look at the score and if the total is "even" the winner of the lag breaks (the first breaker) and if it's "odd" the other player breaks. KISS

Jay , AtLarge is correct, read his post 133 closely. You can determine the breaker by the combined scores or the number of the next game to be played. I heard either JJ, Mark Wilson or Billy I (I cannot remember which one) discussed this before and I think the concensus was your was easier, that is, if the combined score is even, it's the winner of the lag to break. By the way, for those that don't realize it 0 + 0 = 0 which is an even number, so winner of the lag breaks.

 

[garczar]

Jay , AtLarge is correct, read his post 133 closely. You can determine the breaker by the combined scores or the number of the next game to be played. I heard either JJ, Mark Wilson or Billy I (I cannot remember which one) discussed this before and I think the concensus was your was easier, that is, if the combined score is even, it's the winner of the lag to break. By the way, for those that don't realize it 0 + 0 = 0 which is an even number, so winner of the lag breaks.

Glad its all cleared-up now.

 

[jay helfert]

Question for you Jay as an experienced tournament director.

Someone that is paying attention sitting arena side gets the attention of the referee as Albin is about to get down on the break to bring attention to the fact that the break is out of order.

Is this person:

*Escorted from the arena
*Thanked for pointing it out

This is assuming that this person is correct.

If it were me, I would stop play and make sure the breaking order is correct. And if not, make the necessary correction. I guess I'm a dinosaur, as I always used to write down on my little note pad who broke first. That way I have something to refer to if necessary.

As for the fan, he gets my thanks....if he is right!

 

[WGDave]

If it were me, I would stop play and make sure the breaking order is correct. And if not, make the necessary correction. I guess I'm a dinosaur, as I always used to write down on my little note pad who broke first. That way I have something to refer to if necessary.

As for the fan, he gets my thanks....if he is right!

Thanks.

Now what would you have done if it were pointed out just after the 9 ball had dropped into that side pocket?

 

[Vahmurka]

I wasn't suggesting that Jeremy would get involved in correcting the error. But if he noticed it, he might well mention it in the commentary.

My guess is @Island Drive meant that thing like JJ saying nothing while in the comms box is what you don't happen to see very often

 

[Bob Jewett]

Hypothetical:
What if the mistake was discovered a few racks later? A good lawyer would have a case for rewind back to the score before the erroneous break and proceed with the proper breaker.

I think you won't get much traction with the rewind idea. Usually once the next shot is started, you don't go back, but procedural issues are different from just getting a game done. It's sometimes possible to fix things up without affecting the actual play.

This kind of procedural issue is not covered in the rules. I think the correct way is for the person who has been shorted so far on breaks to break next. I suppose in an extremely confused case they might have been playing "winner breaks" when the tournament was using "alternate breaks" and someone could have missed several breaks.

 

[gregcantrall]

I think you won't get much traction with the rewind idea. Usually once the next shot is started, you don't go back, but procedural issues are different from just getting a game done. It's sometimes possible to fix things up without affecting the actual play.

This kind of procedural issue is not covered in the rules. I think the correct way is for the person who has been shorted so far on breaks to break next. I suppose in an extremely confused case they might have been playing "winner breaks" when the tournament was using "alternate breaks" and someone could have missed several breaks.

I would expect the ruling to be along the same lines as in 8 ball when the wrong set is shot and goes unnoticed. Hmm, can't remember how that goes now. CRS Perhaps the same as a slept spot ball in one pocket would be most equitable.
I have seen some honest but strange rulings by tournament directors.

 

[Fatboy]

like in 1P when a ball is slept, just carry on. Can’t go back. Same principal. It’s pool mister

 

[Vahmurka]

I have seen some honest but strange rulings by tournament directors.

IF ONLY every one and other TD was following/checking standardized world rules... Pool life would've been better. (Dream on, Vah, dream on.)

 

[garczar]

like in 1P when a ball is slept, just carry on. Can’t go back. Same principal. It’s pool mister

If it ever comes to lawyers i'm hiring the esteemed firm of 'Dewey, Cheatem and Howe'.

 

[jasonlaus]

Where did I say that idiot?

I'm not gonna search for it IDIOT

 

[SBC]

This works out much better for people traveling from other countries since that's a huge expense to fly from Europe, Taiwan, etc. Plus everybody should keep improving since they are in nonstop action for a few months straight.

Exactly

 

[VVP]

I'm not gonna search for it IDIOT

Lol . Now I know why you like Earl, you are a mental case like him.

 

[HawaiianEye]

Are we really having this discussion? There is and only has been one way to determine who's break it is in Alternate Break forever! It has NEVER been done any other way! You win the lag, you break first. After game one, when the score is 1-0, your opponent breaks. The total score at that moment is also 1 (1 + 0 = 1). One (1) is an odd number, right. How am I doing so far? After the second game the score is either 2-0 or 1-1. If you add that up the total comes to 2! Two (2) is an even number! The winner of the lag would now break again. How are we doing so far? Have I lost anyone yet? And when the score gets to 2-2, that adds up to 4! This is a quiz now. Who's turn to break is it? If you can remember that 2 and 2 is four, you should be all right from here.

If you can’t figure out when it is your turn to break, you should be playing winner breaks.

 

[Fatboy]

If you can’t figure out when it is your turn to break, you should be playing winner breaks.

I’ve always been a firm believer in winner breaks, unless I’m the weaker player-then I’m flexible

 

[HawaiianEye]

I’ve always been a firm believer in winner breaks, unless I’m the weaker player-then I’m flexible

LMAO.

I wish they would get rid of the Texas Express BIH rules and go back to two-shot-push out.

That made the game more playable and watchable to me.

 

[Fatboy]

LMAO.

I wish they would get rid of the Texas Express BIH rules and go back to two-shot-push out.

That made the game more playable and watchable to me.

I think everyone over 50 years old thinks like that. Mandatory push after the break would change lots in pool. Lots…….

 

[HawaiianEye]

I think everyone over 50 years old thinks like that. Mandatory push after the break would change lots in pool. Lots…….

If you make a ball on the break, are you required to push on the first shot or does the opponent get the first shot after the break and they have to push?

It would make a ton of difference on how I broke the balls.