Inventing a new pool game: "Colors"

About the racking...

krupa said:
In my opinion, this is way too complicated. It sounds like a Sodoku puzzle with pool balls!
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Lol, I just got it. I hope it's not that hard. I haven't tried it yet.

Good one though. :thumbup:
 
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Bob Jewett said:
For completeness, a previous discussion about cribbage and some other games: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=1600863
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Thanks for the links.

In the thread there was a guy who posted a game he called Gum Ball (I like the name). The link was broken, but I found this link to it.

http://www.fojavi.com/home/pool/Gum_Ball_Rules.pdf

Much more like "my" game than Cribbage or Colors. But in Gum Ball you pocket pairs contacting any ball first. In "my" game you contact the nominated/current color first pocketing a called shot of any ball. My intent was to make a game with a high difficulty like rotation, but not quite as difficult as 15 ball rotation.

In Gum Ball, he allows pocketing the 8-ball any time to use strategically for position. I might adopt something like that as well, if I discover the game is too hard as it is.

edit: not doing that.

Fatz
 
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Here's what I want to call this game...

Kulay

As best as I can tell this is Filipino for "colors". Efren is my favorite player, so it's kind of an homage to him.

If there are any Filipino speaking people reading this, can you please confirm that I have this right. Is "kulay" the correct word for the plural word "colors"? And how would you pronounce it? I'm guessing it would be pronounced like...

koo-lay

which syllable has the emphasis?

thanks
Fatz
 
PGHteacher said:
Have you tried the game yet? How goes the opening "trials"?
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After a few test racks, this game seems like fun. When the rack is open enough to do something, it's still pretty challenging. More challenging than 8-ball, which was the idea. But when you are stuck, you are really stuck. I haven't played enough 15 ball rotation to compare, but it has to be easier. maybe it's just a matter of working out the right strategies, or maybe a new rules twist needs to be added.

One aspect that I fear might be a flaw is that there is no real defense that I can think of. When you opponent comes to the table he can shoot any ball, so there really is little hope for saftey play.

Rules wise, this seems to play pretty solid, but I don't know if I should add something to create some kind of defensive play. Give it a try and tell me what you think.

Complete rules to follow.
 
My friend and I used to play cribbage and we then figured out that he was absolutely horrible at simple math and would hit the 11 in and try to make position on the 3 ... for whatever reason thinking that added up to 15. He is actually a bright guy, but just lousy with numbers.

So we switched to pairing the balls by colors, much like your game. I am the better player, so we modified a couple of rules. You can choose any color pair to start with, but I have to shoot at the lower number in the color pair first, while he can choose either order. So I have to hit the 2 in first, then the 10 in ... while he can go 10-2 or 2-10. If I miss the 2nd ball in my pair, I leave the first ball in and he is the only one allowed to then hit a "lone wolf" ball in, unless I clear all my pairs and nothing is left but unmatched colors. To prevent an unfair advantage by purposely missing and creating an unmatched ball, if he misses his 2nd ball the first one gets pulled and spotted. We also vary the spot location as in Cowboy so the footspot doesn't get crowded.

I also use this as a practice game when I get bored hitting position drills. Hopefully you like the handicap suggestions we came up with and can incorporate them into your game as needed.
 
Pre-Flag Master...Just wanted to point out something for you (not trying to start an argument)...The nationality is called Filipino; the language is called Tagalog. Efren is my favorite player too!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Pre-Flag Master said:
Here's what I want to call this game...

Kulay

As best as I can tell this is Filipino for "colors". Efren is my favorite player, so it's kind of an homage to him.

If there are any Filipino speaking people reading this, can you please confirm that I have this right. Is "kulay" the correct word for the plural word "colors"? And how would you pronounce it? I'm guessing it would be pronounced like...

koo-lay

which syllable has the emphasis?

thanks
Fatz
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Scott Lee said:
Pre-Flag Master...Just wanted to point out something for you (not trying to start an argument)...The nationality is called Filipino; the language is called Tagalog. Efren is my favorite player too!
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The info I had essentially says we're both right. Also, the Google Translator uses the term "Filipino"

Fatz

From Wikipedia...

"Filipino is a prestige register of the Tagalog language, and the name under which Tagalog is designated the national language of the Philippines, as well as an official language alongside English). Tagalog is a first language of about one-third of the Philippine population; it is centred around Manila but is spoken to varying degrees nationwide."

"In practical terms, Filipino is the formal name of Tagalog, or even a synonym of it. It is sometimes described as "Tagalog-based", part of a political fiction that the national language is based on an amalgam of Philippine languages rather than on Tagalog alone. It is usually called Tagalog within the Philippines and among Filipinos to differentiate it from other Philippine languages, but it has come to be known as Filipino to differentiate it from the languages of other countries; the former implies a regional origin, the latter a national. This is similar to the concept of the names given to the Spanish language, where Castilian tends to be used within Spain, and Spanish in international settings."

"Filipino is constitutionally designated as the national language of the Philippines and, along with English, one of two official languages."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_language
 
Test drove this game some more last night. In the opening of the game, you can get stuck with no run-out and yet have no defensive play. Creedo called it. Changing one rule to address this...

Once a color has been nominated and becomes the "current" color, then it remains the "current" color until all the balls of that color have been removed from the table.

Previously a player nominated any color of their choice at the beginning of their inning. With this rule change, you can now play safeties. How to nominate a color and actually effect a "current" color will be addressed, and new terminology defined, in the first post and the next "Complete Rules" post.

I'm not planning any major rule changes at this point, pending more thorough testing and comments from others. I hope some of you try this game. It is pretty cool.

Fatz
 
And how is BONUS BALL doing anyway ??

Not very well IMO.
Even with money and professions behind the idea !!!

New games are harder to get going than the game itself !!!
Just sayin.
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But, good luck anyway. :cool:
 
oldzilla said:
And how is BONUS BALL doing anyway ??

Not very well IMO.
Even with money and professions behind the idea !!!

New games are harder to get going than the game itself !!!
Just sayin.
:boring2:

But, good luck anyway. :cool:
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Yeah, I know. I'm not trying to make an "enterprise" out of it. Just wanted to come up with a game a little more challenging than 8-ball. And then, share it with folks here in case they might like to try it.

As for Bonus Ball, the rules seem really convoluted. I tried watching the you tube video, and got pretty annoyed with all the little exceptions to this and special cases for that.
 
Scott Lee said:
Pre-Flag Master...Just wanted to point out something for you (not trying to start an argument)...The nationality is called Filipino; the language is called Tagalog. Efren is my favorite player too!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Scott,

Filipino is what the language is called. Tagalog is the dialect it is based on. It is the dialect spoken widely in the areas around Manila. There are other dialects like Ilocano, Visayan, Cebuano, etc and they are all considered under the Filipino language. At some point in the country's history Tagalog was arbitrarily chosen as the main language to build nationalism. Tagalog/Filipino are taught to all the children throughout the country after they learn their own dialect to promote nationalism and so that everyone can communicate with everyone.

Filipino and Tagalog are interchangeable. But officially the language is called Filipino. However, among filipino speakers, they dont ask, do you speak filipino? they ask, do you speak tagalog?
 
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