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How do you know that I have not taken their advise Jay? I might not make to many friends. The ones I have are really my friends though. I might not be able to write down the things I am thinking well. That is for sure. What I am trying to say is all I did was ask if anyone wanted to make a video and look how far from that we have travled. People are starting to get out of line and still it's all my fault.

I am starting to figure out why everyone told me to stay away from these forums.
 
Jamison you may know the most about masse on this board but you are really lacking in business skills. People have given you good advice here and you call the whole group a bunch of women. Congrats, you just queered your action with what probably is your target audience for financing, marketing and potential consumers.

Listen, people by nature will want to tell you about risks and knock your dreams, but that doesnt mean you cannot listen and learn something from them. There are people right here in this thread that have experience in doing EXACTLY what you hope to achieve, creating a product for pool and successfully marketing it. You would do well to improve your ability to be diplomatic instead of abrasive if you need support in getting your dreams fulfilled.
 
Jay you are too quick with the keyboard but I see we read Jamison's posts and thought the same.

Jamison, i'm really surprised that of all the people who chose to give you advice you didnt accept JCIN's input here with more openness. JCIN after all is doing a grass roots pool video business. Instead of getting more good advice from him about what he has learned, you alienate him. I asked you before if you were in your 20s. Maybe your not but your acting like a teenager right now who has the rest of his life to learn that he doesnt know it all.
 
uwate said:
Jamison you may know the most about masse on this board but you are really lacking in business skills. People have given you good advice here and you call the whole group a bunch of women. Congrats, you just queered your action with what probably is your target audience for financing, marketing and potential consumers.

Listen, people by nature will want to tell you about risks and knock your dreams, but that doesnt mean you cannot listen and learn something from them. There are people right here in this thread that have experience in doing EXACTLY what you hope to achieve, creating a product for pool and successfully marketing it. You would do well to improve your ability to be diplomatic instead of abrasive if you need support in getting your dreams fulfilled.
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Well your right I have learned alot on this post. I have taken away alot of good advise and my intentions were not to call everyone a women just the guy that is bringing up past events. I hope not everyone got offended buy my post. It is easy to get upset when being mocked for something unrelated to my thread. Sorry if you all thought I was calling everyone of you out. I never meant it to say what I wrote.

My writting isn't flawless my point is that people are starting to attack me personnaly for asking if anyone wanted to make a video.

Tell you what you guys keep going say everything you want I don't mind. I do know that for the most part in this hostel atmosphere I have kept my cool. It wasn't until today when I read that post about how funny it was that I got attacked from the side by a stranger and his crew that is when I lost it. My appologies for my weakness I should of let that one go.

I do appreiciate advise so as long as it is aimed with good intent. Again sorry if you got offended by what I said I lost my cool and then hit the button.
 
jay helfert said:
Try 1,000 copies of the best pool videos/DVD's, like the final match of a major tournament with two great players. That is a best seller in the pool DVD business. 20,000 copies, hasn't happened yet or even come close. I doubt that 2,000 copies of any single pool video have ever been sold.
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Id bet you on that one-Not that i think you are completely off but Id say the Robert Byrne Tapes that have been on the market for the last 8-10 years have surely done better than 2000. Maybe you re just talking about the "pool match" videos. Also the Kimura Tape for sure.
 
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Jamison,

I also have a friend that has produced multiple successful video's in other fields. The catch is "successful" is very relative. They were popular and sold well but the niche they fit in caused him to quickly saturate the market. Another issue is equipment and building. I built a twelve by twenty shop complete with wiring, insulation, and the basic necessities several years ago. I did over 95% of the work myself and paid for no outside assistance. I did use wood siding and a shingle roof but to date the interior is unfinished. Total cost was closer to five thousand for that building. The inside of your building will have to look professional for you to turn out a video that will be respected and it will need to be climate controlled or you will make your task far more difficult.

For there to be any possibility of mainstream appeal you are going to have to have top quality video equipment. Remember that when trying to appeal to a general audience you will be competing with video completely made within six months of your release date so even starting with state of the art gear now may make your video a relic of the past before it is complete.

I think the advice to make a demo is excellent. Try to find a pool table that you can put new cloth on and have exclusive use of for a few weeks to thirty days and get a ten to fifteen minute demo together. First video some impressive shots that you can make within ten or fifteen minutes effort then use the remainder of your allotted time to try to get a few of the unique shots you are hoping for on tape.

After you put this together, seek real backing to make a top quality video. By that time you should have talked to a handful of professional videographers and have a better idea of what you need. My guess is not less than $30,000 to $100,000 even for your backyard production. Seeking $2,000 is one reason that people didn't take you seriously and don't think that you have really studied this project all of the way through.

This is a business enterprise so a few free consultations with SCORE is an excellent idea. Providing the information they need will force you to come up with some real numbers and consider issues that may not have been addressed yet.

I do wish you luck in your endeavor. Right now all you seem to have is a dream and a great deal of confidence in your skills. That is a start and empires have been built on no more but to interest serious investors you are going to have to have much more of a framework in place and some indication that you can actually perform. That isn't just performing on the pool table but producing a professional quality video. Multiple camera angles and decent acoustics are considerations. Lighting is by no means simple either. People make entire careers based on knowledge of these things. You will need professionals at least as consultants.

Hu



JamisonNeu said:
Well your right I have learned alot on this post. I have taken away alot of good advise and my intentions were not to call everyone a women just the guy that is bringing up past events. I hope not everyone got offended buy my post. It is easy to get upset when being mocked for something unrelated to my thread. Sorry if you all thought I was calling everyone of you out. I never meant it to say what I wrote.

My writting isn't flawless my point is that people are starting to attack me personnaly for asking if anyone wanted to make a video.

Tell you what you guys keep going say everything you want I don't mind. I do know that for the most part in this hostel atmosphere I have kept my cool. It wasn't until today when I read that post about how funny it was that I got attacked from the side by a stranger and his crew that is when I lost it. My appologies for my weakness I should of let that one go.

I do appreiciate advise so as long as it is aimed with good intent. Again sorry if you got offended by what I said I lost my cool and then hit the button.
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Jamison, you're trying to re-invent the wheel on someone else's dime. There's no need for a new building or years of filming. No matter how good you are, I don't see how you're going to make a profit when Sayginer's videos are available for free online.

People here are just trying to be helpful, before you spend a lot of time and money in a project that by all accounts won't work.
 
JamisonNeu said:
Well your right I have learned alot on this post. I have taken away alot of good advise and my intentions were not to call everyone a women just the guy that is bringing up past events. I hope not everyone got offended buy my post. It is easy to get upset when being mocked for something unrelated to my thread. Sorry if you all thought I was calling everyone of you out. I never meant it to say what I wrote.

My writting isn't flawless my point is that people are starting to attack me personnaly for asking if anyone wanted to make a video.

Tell you what you guys keep going say everything you want I don't mind. I do know that for the most part in this hostel atmosphere I have kept my cool. It wasn't until today when I read that post about how funny it was that I got attacked from the side by a stranger and his crew that is when I lost it. My appologies for my weakness I should of let that one go.

I do appreiciate advise so as long as it is aimed with good intent. Again sorry if you got offended by what I said I lost my cool and then hit the button.
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Jamison I don't know you other than what I read here. I do think you got a little pissy towards JCIN. It may have hurt when it seemed he was stepping on your dream, but he was just offering you solid practical advise based upon his business experience. He did snap back at you, but only after you started getting pissy.
I hope you realize you're dreams, but I don't think anybody in this thread was attacking you. At least not until it swerved OT and you got a little sensitive and it turned into a pissing contest.
Two of my son's are trying to make it as artists and I hope they do, but I just try to keep them aware of the odds against their success despite their extreme talent. I think that is what people in this thread were trying to communicate to you.
JMHO.
 
JamisonNeu said:
Thing is I want to make the end all video. I really could make a video in less than a week that contained hundreds of shots maybe a thousand. I just don't want to make a video like anyone has ever seen. So I need my building and I need a couple of cameras. Just asking that is all.

Then someone brings up some other bs from my past I feel like I am argueing with a bunch of woman. Give it a rest old man your wife has trained you how to be her and you are taking it out on me. Go get some therapy.


I was asking if anyone wanted to make a video and looked what you all did. Just like a bunch of women. Well how come and who and how and did you and how come and I know ...shut up and go play with yourself the one thing you have mastered. You remind me of fleas never say anything just always biting.
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Ok, you are getting hammered here man. I saw your ability and I thing your have a great talent. I wish I could do any of those shots, however no matter how good your DVD is it is going to be really hard to make up the $$ you are going to spend. I think that is what people are trying to tell you. If this is your dream you must go into it as something that is on your bucket list and not a money making venture. Jay has pointed out some good things and so has JCIN. These guy have experience in what you are trying to do, I also know what it is like when you have an idea or a dream that in your heart you believe will work and nomatter what facts are put in front of you, you can always find an answer at to why it will work or why it will be different. It is hard to let go.
Like I said do this as best you can and don't rely on anyone to put upo the money unless they know they will probably not get it back, this is again not a slam on your talent it is just a fact of the business.
I would like to give you a quick example, I promoted one of the most wanted 1 pocket match ups that has happened in the past few years. Frost V's Efren, We know how big Efren is in his home country and we had marketing in the phillipines on the top website over there, also here on AZB probably the most watched billiards website in the world. Fast Lenny and myself worked together on that to live stream it FOR FREE! We have 760 viewers at one time watching AND IT WAS FREE to everyone. I have a conversation a few days ago with one of the guys at TAR and we agreed that if I had charged even $3.00 I woulg have over a 50% drop in viewers. I hope this tells you something and that you can still make your dream happen and I hope that you prove everyone incuding myself wrong.
 
ShootingArts said:
Jamison,

I also have a friend that has produced multiple successful video's in other fields. The catch is "successful" is very relative. They were popular and sold well but the niche they fit in caused him to quickly saturate the market. Another issue is equipment and building. I built a twelve by twenty shop complete with wiring, insulation, and the basic necessities several years ago. I did over 95% of the work myself and paid for no outside assistance. I did use wood siding and a shingle roof but to date the interior is unfinished. Total cost was closer to five thousand for that building. The inside of your building will have to look professional for you to turn out a video that will be respected and it will need to be climate controlled or you will make your task far more difficult.

For there to be any possibility of mainstream appeal you are going to have to have top quality video equipment. Remember that when trying to appeal to a general audience you will be competing with video completely made within six months of your release date so even starting with state of the art gear now may make your video a relic of the past before it is complete.

I think the advice to make a demo is excellent. Try to find a pool table that you can put new cloth on and have exclusive use of for a few weeks to thirty days and get a ten to fifteen minute demo together. First video some impressive shots that you can make within ten or fifteen minutes effort then use the remainder of your allotted time to try to get a few of the unique shots you are hoping for on tape.

After you put this together, seek real backing to make a top quality video. By that time you should have talked to a handful of professional videographers and have a better idea of what you need. My guess is not less than $30,000 to $100,000 even for your backyard production. Seeking $2,000 is one reason that people didn't take you seriously and don't think that you have really studied this project all of the way through.

This is a business enterprise so a few free consultations with SCORE is an excellent idea. Providing the information they need will force you to come up with some real numbers and consider issues that may not have been addressed yet.

I do wish you luck in your endeavor. Right now all you seem to have is a dream and a great deal of confidence in your skills. That is a start and empires have been built on no more but to interest serious investors you are going to have to have much more of a framework in place and some indication that you can actually perform. That isn't just performing on the pool table but producing a professional quality video. Multiple camera angles and decent acoustics are considerations. Lighting is by no means simple either. People make entire careers based on knowledge of these things. You will need professionals at least as consultants.

Hu
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Jamison already has been given some nice ideas.

A nice size billiard hall might even separate and enclose a room for Jamison's work in progress. It could be a draw for the pool hall and they really are just giving up space so to speak, kind of similar to the Buddy Hall Altar that they had at Planet Nine Ball years ago (which I never saw). Patrons could come and watch Jamison perform through a one way mirror so that he isn't distracted. The mirror/window could be "roped off" so that the customers wouldn't have the ability to disturb him and he could put in his thousands of hours of work to create this video.
JoeyA

Jamison should approach a large pool hall owner with his idea of having a work in progress and see if that would something a pool hall owner might be interested in.

Jamison should work on his replying skills also as several people gave him good advice and it seemed as if he was not appreciative of their efforts. Just my observation and thoughts.

Good luck Jamison. I like dedication. :smile:
JoeyA
 
Nostroke said:
Id bet you on that one-Not that i think you are completely off but Id say the Robert Byrne Tapes that have been on the market for the last 8-10 years have surely done better than 2000. Maybe you re just talking about the "pool match" videos. Also the Kimura Tape for sure.
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You may be right on that count. Byrne's books and videos are the ALL TIME best sellers in the pool market. He KNOWS how to market his products and get them in front of the masses. I think he told me his Standard Book on pool went over 100,000 copies sold a couple of years ago. Of course, it has been on the market forever and in book stores across the country.

He is the one guy who, if he told me he has sold 10,000 videos, I would believe him. I think the absolute best Accu-Stat tapes have yet to sell 2,000 copies of any one match. 1,000 yes, on several of their best sellers.
 
You'll ALL Be Sorry, Someday..... imo

All of you naysayers make me sick. I understand what Jamison Neu is trying to accomplish and if I have to fund the entire amount, I will.

I have decided to put away $2.00 a week ($1 from both my wife & myself) towards Jamison's goal. And, when I have saved the $2,000, I will send it to Mr. Neu.

Follow your dream Jamison, I'm behind you.
Doug
 
I Must Have Forgotten To Carry A ZERO.... imo

Smorgass Bored said:
All of you naysayers make me sick. I understand what Jamison Neu is trying to accomplish and if I have to fund the entire amount, I will.

I have decided to put away $2.00 a week ($1 from both my wife & myself) towards Jamison's goal. And, when I have saved the $2,000, I will send it to Mr. Neu.

Follow your dream Jamison, I'm behind you.
Doug
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It was just pointed out to me in a PM, that my generous offer to Jamison will take 20 years to reach fruition.

Doug
(I'm sorry but, that's the best that I can do)
 
To the OP,

I was considering getting in bed (investing) with you.

Through due diligence I came upon the thread (a week or two old) where you got bopped in the beak. The more I read the more bizarre that fiasco became. That's why I referenced it.

Best of luck with your endeavers and keep on strokin an jokin...
 
JCIN said:
I will bet you whatever you want and lay you 100 to 1 that you can not provide verifiable proof that a trick shot video has sold more than 2 million copies. Lets keep this based in reality.QUOTE]
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Justin, can I get these same odds? I just figure that if I can get some investors and maybe work a deal out with video distributor, I will take your 100-1! Say I can get the videos for, say $19.95, I would have to invest $39,900,000 to buy 2 million. This is a for sure deal and anyone who is interested in investing, can PM me or respond in this thread. That should be good enough to make it legally binding!:)
On a serious note, I wish Jamison the best in his little venture, but I think most people were trying to help you out when they said it doesn't sound realistic.
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