IPT Defenders...excuses, excuses...

Dr. Dissent

Dr. Dissent

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The number of IPT defenders has dwindled, they are basically the same one, defending with a million excuses all the "non-action" by the IPT.

People have missed my point about having this tour begin without having all the BS flying around. We've had more than 9 months of IPT BS, and only 2 tournaments. Some people admit that thousands of players dont know "squat" about the IPT. Others admit that the fan base is missing at the qualifiers, and some of the attendees didn't even know what was going on. Others admit the IPT has not done a good job in promoting themselves. Others admit that too many qualifiers at the same time broke up the fields.

Can you see that these are just of bunch of plain old excuses, excuses?

The IPT wanted to "fix" the pool world and it has "dwarfted" the efforts all the established tournaments and its promoters. The IPT has really messed up things for everyone involved in pool, except for a very few lucky ones. Oh, but the IPT defenders are blind....obviously because they personally might benefit or someone they know.

So much BS and only 2 tournaments of "selected" people. The IPT was going to bring "loads of money" but very few have really benefitted. The IPT was going to take over the world of pool but has really done the contrary, they have stalled and have engine problems. The IPT came in with new paint job but it was an very "old" car disguised as a new one.

They have a bunch of qualifiers (to bring in loads of money themselves) and planned events until 2008 to get everyone excited but would they really be there when the time comes?

I don't think so.

I do not want to "stand alone" or have a "grand stand". I'm just doing what is supposed to be done. Telling people to "OPEN YOUR EYES" and come back to reality!

The IPT has failed everyone and we cannot expect anything better.
 
Dr. Dissent said:
...People have missed my point about having this tour begin without having all the BS flying around. We've had more than 9 months of IPT BS, and only 2 tournaments. Some people admit that thousands of players dont know "squat" about the IPT. Others admit that the fan base is missing at the qualifiers, and some of the attendees didn't even know what was going on. Others admit the IPT has not done a good job in promoting themselves. Others admit that too many qualifiers at the same time broke up the fields.

Can you see that these are just of bunch of plain old excuses, excuses?

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They have a bunch of qualifiers (to bring in loads of money themselves) and planned events until 2008 to get everyone excited but would they really be there when the time comes?

I don't think so.

I do not want to "stand alone" or have a "grand stand". I'm just doing what is supposed to be done. Telling people to "OPEN YOUR EYES" and come back to reality!

The IPT has failed everyone and we cannot expect anything better.
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It's a bit premature to say the IPT has failed. If the tournaments currently listed on their website fail to materialize or somehow implode, then you may be right. On the other hand, if these IPT tournaments are held as planned, then you would be dead wrong. Let's wait and see, shall we ? It's not that long until we have an opportunity to see how well they do, only 61 days.

http://www.internationalpooltour.com/ipt_content/event_schedule/default.asp

Dave
 
Dr. Dissent said:
The IPT wanted to "fix" the pool world and it has "dwarfted" the efforts all the established tournaments and its promoters. The IPT has really messed up things for everyone involved in pool, except for a very few lucky ones. Oh, but the IPT defenders are blind....obviously because they personally might benefit or someone they know.

So much BS and only 2 tournaments of "selected" people. The IPT was going to bring "loads of money" but very few have really benefitted. The IPT was going to take over the world of pool but has really done the contrary, they have stalled and have engine problems. The IPT came in with new paint job but it was an very "old" car disguised as a new one.

They have a bunch of qualifiers (to bring in loads of money themselves) and planned events until 2008 to get everyone excited but would they really be there when the time comes?

I don't think so.

I do not want to "stand alone" or have a "grand stand". I'm just doing what is supposed to be done. Telling people to "OPEN YOUR EYES" and come back to reality!

The IPT has failed everyone and we cannot expect anything better.
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As you've assumed the vested interests of all of us in denial, why don't you state your own vested interest?

Is there any truth to the rumour that you have a cosy position in one of the associations?

Or would you prefer to simply talk at, rather than with this forum?

At least your compatriot in "the sky is falling" rhetoric, Macguy, doesn't consider himself above responding to queries from the ignorant masses.:D
 
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Dr. Dissent said:
The number of IPT defenders has dwindled, they are basically the same one, defending with a million excuses all the "non-action" by the IPT.

People have missed my point about having this tour begin without having all the BS flying around. We've had more than 9 months of IPT BS, and only 2 tournaments. Some people admit that thousands of players dont know "squat" about the IPT. Others admit that the fan base is missing at the qualifiers, and some of the attendees didn't even know what was going on. Others admit the IPT has not done a good job in promoting themselves. Others admit that too many qualifiers at the same time broke up the fields.

Can you see that these are just of bunch of plain old excuses, excuses?

The IPT wanted to "fix" the pool world and it has "dwarfted" the efforts all the established tournaments and its promoters. The IPT has really messed up things for everyone involved in pool, except for a very few lucky ones. Oh, but the IPT defenders are blind....obviously because they personally might benefit or someone they know.

So much BS and only 2 tournaments of "selected" people. The IPT was going to bring "loads of money" but very few have really benefitted. The IPT was going to take over the world of pool but has really done the contrary, they have stalled and have engine problems. The IPT came in with new paint job but it was an very "old" car disguised as a new one.

They have a bunch of qualifiers (to bring in loads of money themselves) and planned events until 2008 to get everyone excited but would they really be there when the time comes?

I don't think so.

I do not want to "stand alone" or have a "grand stand". I'm just doing what is supposed to be done. Telling people to "OPEN YOUR EYES" and come back to reality!

The IPT has failed everyone and we cannot expect anything better.
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You don't need to start a new thread every time you have something to say, epecially since all three threads are of the same topic.
 
doctor dissent,I get the impression that you want this to fail,I believe it will be succesfull,you are right about players having to put there lives on hold tho.I am 1 of those players who is itching to play the 1st event,before you knock it anymore,just try and give it a chance.
 
The IPT needs people like the Dr to stir the pot every now and then and get people talking again. It was getting a bit dull here.

Two tournaments, 6 qualifiers, all on time, all very successful - yep I can see where you think the IPT is failing.

Keep in mind that the goal of the qualifiers is to get two people to qualify. So if they get two to attend then the qualifiers are successful. Now if nobody showed up then I would be concerned. Any participants over and above two just increases how successful the event is.

53 more days to remind us how the IPT has failed.

By the way, did you see the price of tickets for the 1st Tournament? $20 will get you an admission to all the matches except the final one. That will cost you an additional $20. Or VIP seats for $100.

That sure does sound extremely reasonable.

No tickets sold at the door. All are advance sales.

I wonder if any tour company here in Florida is considering a package to this event?

Jake
 
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There seem to be those that already have grave concerns about the IPT. Others see the IPT through rose colored glasses.

The truth, I suspect lies somewhere in between. I, personally, will deem the IPT as an organization with great momentum when it has each of the following:

1. A Developing and Growing Infrastructure
2. Significantly Increased Brand Awareness
3. New and Significant Sources of Revenue

A Developing and Growing Infrastructure
I think that the IPT is off to a fairly solid start in this regard. There are good people on the staff of the IPT organization, and they have developed a tournament calendar and a qualifying system that is ensuring great access to those wishing to compete in the tournaments. They have a fantastic website that seems to have met with the fullest approval of most AZB members, a credible cross-section of the game's fans.

Significantly Increased Brand Awareness
It is difficult to label the IPT as a success in this regard. This tour was launched with the Sigel/Jones match about eight months ago, but remains relatively unknown, even among the many pool fans I had a chance to chat with while I was in Vegas last week.

New and Significant Sources of Revenue
It is on this front where there is cause for concern. Surely, the demand for DVD's of the matches will be fairly modest, and it will take major corporate sposnorship to finance the prize fund. Ultimately, this tour, with announced expenses over the next few years in the tens of millions, must find major revenue sources to survive. If it does not, it is a safe bet that the plug will be pulled.

Those that are bullish on this organization tend to cite the organization's growing infrastructure and the potential energy represented by the solid staff in place. Those that are bearish tend to cite insignificant, and only marginally growing, brand awareness and the absence of viable sources of revenue. For the most part, everybody is right.

Pool is at a major crossroads. It has long been argued by pool players and by members of the pool establishment that if anybody with the financial means to bring very high TV production values to the sport were to emerge, the sport will thrive.

Well, that shot comes now and it comes in the form of the IPT.

I see the good and the bad here, and choose to play the optimist. It is too early to say how the television viewing audience will receive IPT pool. Until we learn the answer, it's tough to be either encouraged or discouraged, but let's all remain hopeful.
 
The IPT has failed everyone and we cannot expect anything better.
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Why has a Tour that hasnt even started, already failed?
We have waited this long, lets just wait and see how things turn out.
And yes, we know about all the BS.

Gabber
 
sjm said:
There seem to be those that already have grave concerns about the IPT. Others see the IPT through rose colored glasses.

The truth, I suspect lies somewhere in between. I, personally, will deem the IPT as an organization with great momentum when it has each of the following:

1. A Developing and Growing Infrastructure
2. Significantly Increased Brand Awareness
3. New and Significant Sources of Revenue

A Developing and Growing Infrastructure
I think that the IPT is off to a fairly solid start in this regard. There are good people on the staff of the IPT organization, and they have developed a tournament calendar and a qualifying system that is ensuring great access to those wishing to compete in the tournaments. They have a fantastic website that seems to have met with the fullest approval of most AZB members, a credible cross-section of the game's fans.

Significantly Increased Brand Awareness
It is difficult to label the IPT as a success in this regard. This tour was launched with the Sigel/Jones match about eight months ago, but remains relatively unknown, even among the many pool fans I had a chance to chat with while I was in Vegas last week.

New and Significant Sources of Revenue
It is on this front where there is cause for concern. Surely, the demand for DVD's of the matches will be fairly modest, and it will take major corporate sposnorship to finance the prize fund. Ultimately, this tour, with announced expenses over the next few years in the tens of millions, must find major revenue sources to survive. If it does not, it is a safe bet that the plug will be pulled.

Those that are bullish on this organization tend to cite the organization's growing infrastructure and the potential energy represented by the solid staff in place. Those that are bearish tend to cite insignificant, and only marginally growing, brand awareness and the absence of viable sources of revenue. For the most part, everybody is right.

Pool is at a major crossroads. It has long been argued by pool players and by members of the pool establishment that if anybody with the financial means to bring very high TV production values to the sport were to emerge, the sport will thrive.

Well, that shot comes now and it comes in the form of the IPT.

I see the good and the bad here, and choose to play the optimist. It is too early to say how the television viewing audience will receive IPT pool. Until we learn the answer, it's tough to be either encouraged or discouraged, but let's all remain hopeful.
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Great summary sjm!

There are aspects to the business model that we can only speculate about at this stage. Developments we must wait to see happen. Especially important will be the success of the broadcasting I imagine.

We'll see what developments come from the May 31st press conference.

In the mean time, fingers are crossed and rose colored glasses adjusted:D
Colin
 
I see the good and the bad here, and choose to play the optimist. It is too early to say how the television viewing audience will receive IPT pool. Until we learn the answer, it's tough to be either encouraged or discouraged, but let's all remain hopeful.
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I would agree with both points 1 & 2. But for 3, I don't think they need to switch revenue models just yet. Much of what they hope to achieve comes in the form of revenue from television and advertising. It's hard to predict whether that'll work, but they do seem to be on the right track. There's a lack of reality based TV out there when it comes to pool. We just watch matches and catch glimpses of characters when they curse as they miss, or laugh at their own mistakes. It's hard to tell what the players are really like, and that is where I think the money is, IMO. That's why people like watching Earl. His demeanor catches viewers' attention, and divides the audience, which makes for great TV.
 
not taking sides...but

Let's be honest here.

the sport needed recognition like what the IPT represents. The players selected are happy but those not selected and the general populous is fair in their assessment of how the IPT is going about helping our sport.

IMHO I truly believe that all IPT card holders should not - may I repeat - should not be entering into any discussion about the IPT. Potentially you have a great opportunity but until you can show something for it then what stand do you really have?

For those of us not selected and the general populous can say whatever we not about this tour until it has proven itself viable to the sport. You have to admit that if you (IPT Cardholers) are to represent our sport as professionals then it should start now.

A personal note is I will work hard on my game to make this tour, if it makes it as a tour. Until then the tour must be proven and we are all still waiting.

As far as the first event goes, it will be interesting. Especially since the one player who stood out more than any player missing from the "Chosen Ones" is a guy named Matlock. Good luck so called IPT players!

Go Dave. It ain't money in the bank yet, but you again have proven a flawed selection process because you had earned this right long before the IPT came into being.
 
Banker Burt said:
Let's be honest here.

the sport needed recognition like what the IPT represents. The players selected are happy but those not selected and the general populous is fair in their assessment of how the IPT is going about helping our sport.

IMHO I truly believe that all IPT card holders should not - may I repeat - should not be entering into any discussion about the IPT. Potentially you have a great opportunity but until you can show something for it then what stand do you really have?

For those of us not selected and the general populous can say whatever we not about this tour until it has proven itself viable to the sport. You have to admit that if you (IPT Cardholers) are to represent our sport as professionals then it should start now.

A personal note is I will work hard on my game to make this tour, if it makes it as a tour. Until then the tour must be proven and we are all still waiting.

As far as the first event goes, it will be interesting. Especially since the one player who stood out more than any player missing from the "Chosen Ones" is a guy named Matlock. Good luck so called IPT players!

Go Dave. It ain't money in the bank yet, but you again have proven a flawed selection process because you had earned this right long before the IPT came into being.
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A few too many brewskies at the BBQ?
 
I I'm not mistaken

Dr. Dissent said:
The number of IPT defenders has dwindled, they are basically the same one, defending with a million excuses all the "non-action" by the IPT.

People have missed my point about having this tour begin without having all the BS flying around. We've had more than 9 months of IPT BS, and only 2 tournaments. Some people admit that thousands of players dont know "squat" about the IPT. Others admit that the fan base is missing at the qualifiers, and some of the attendees didn't even know what was going on. Others admit the IPT has not done a good job in promoting themselves. Others admit that too many qualifiers at the same time broke up the fields.

Can you see that these are just of bunch of plain old excuses, excuses?

The IPT wanted to "fix" the pool world and it has "dwarfted" the efforts all the established tournaments and its promoters. The IPT has really messed up things for everyone involved in pool, except for a very few lucky ones. Oh, but the IPT defenders are blind....obviously because they personally might benefit or someone they know.

So much BS and only 2 tournaments of "selected" people. The IPT was going to bring "loads of money" but very few have really benefitted. The IPT was going to take over the world of pool but has really done the contrary, they have stalled and have engine problems. The IPT came in with new paint job but it was an very "old" car disguised as a new one.

They have a bunch of qualifiers (to bring in loads of money themselves) and planned events until 2008 to get everyone excited but would they really be there when the time comes?

I don't think so.

I do not want to "stand alone" or have a "grand stand". I'm just doing what is supposed to be done. Telling people to "OPEN YOUR EYES" and come back to reality!

The IPT has failed everyone and we cannot expect anything better.
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Has the IPT not already held a tournament with the largest cash prize in the history of pool as well as putting togehter (from nothing) a model for a pro tour that is far more ambitious than anything in history. They have also ran numerous qualifiers that to my knowledge have all went off for the most part without a hitch. What they are trying to do is a huge undertaking and I think that they have come a long way in a short period of time. I certainly believe they are way ahead of anything that anyone else is doing to legitimize the sport. I think it is unfortunate that the pool world is so negative when it comes to what very well looks to be the best thing to ever happen to the sport on the pro level.
 
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So far the IPT has held 8 events. As far as I can see they all came off on time without a hitch. And the players all had a pretty good shot at winning some money. Even in the qualifiers there was a shot at extra money.

So far they have been very successful in their endeavor. Success is not luck. It takes a lot of planning, hard work, time and dedication.

In four days five more qualifiers begin. Will they go off without a hitch? How many IPT players will show up to give support to the events? That is one failing that I have noticed in the qualifiers - IPT players not lending their name and image to the events on their own time and being ambassadors to the IPT.

Jake
 
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In four days five more qualifiers begin. Will they go off without a hitch? How many IPT players will show up to give support to the events? That is one failing that I have noticed in the qualifiers - IPT players not lending their name and image to the events on their own time and being ambassadors to the IPT.
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Jake, there are IPT members who are "lending their name and image to the events":

Colin Colenso is the IPT member who will be the challenge table player in Shanghai (June 16-18): http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=32694

Keith McCready is the IPT member who will be the challenge table player in Frederick, MD (June 2-4):
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=32560

This coming weekend will be the second group of qualifiers out of the 25 in total for the North American 8-Ball Championship to be held in Las Vegas on July 22-30, 2006. I am excited to find out who will fill the 50 additional slots for this event when 200 pool players -- 150 IPT members and 50 qualifier winners -- will be competing for the $2-million purse. Viva Las Vegas! :p

JAM
 
My only question, at this time, is when will the IPT get recognition enough to appear on TV ?,,,,Most days, ESPN has two (2) unused slots on my satellite system,,,JMHO; pool will make a giant leap forward when we can command TV time.........................................
 
They are already scheduled to show several matches on OLN...check out the IPT web site
Steve
 
By the way, did you see the price of tickets for the 1st Tournament? $20 will get you an admission to all the matches except the final one. That will cost you an additional $20. Or VIP seats for $100.

That sure does sound extremely reasonable.

No tickets sold at the door. All are advance sales.

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And if it somehow gets canceled, the refunds are in the mail.
 
JAM said:
Jake, there are IPT members who are "lending their name and image to the events":

Colin Colenso is the IPT member who will be the challenge table player in Shanghai (June 16-18): http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=32694

Keith McCready is the IPT member who will be the challenge table player in Frederick, MD (June 2-4):
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=32560

This coming weekend will be the second group of qualifiers out of the 25 in total for the North American 8-Ball Championship to be held in Las Vegas on July 22-30, 2006. I am excited to find out who will fill the 50 additional slots for this event when 200 pool players -- 150 IPT members and 50 qualifier winners -- will be competing for the $2-million purse. Viva Las Vegas! :p

JAM
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Getting information is like pulling teeth. LOL

I knew about Colin but this is the first I heard of Keith being the challenge player. That's a good choice. It should be an enjoyable experience for all concerned.

Besides the one or two IPT players that have been the challange players I thought it would be nice for other IPT players to make an appearance if they are in the neighborhood.

Jake
 
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jjinfla said:
Getting information is like pulling teeth. LOL

I knew about Colin but this is the first I heard of Keith being the challenge player. That's a good choice. It should be an enjoyable experience for all concerned.

Besides the one or two IPT players that have been the challange players I thought it would be nice for other IPT players to make an appearance if they are in the neighborhood.

Jake
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This past weekend in Raleigh, Grady was the challenge match IPT player, but Bernie Friend also put in an apperance on Friday.
Steve
 
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