IPT Defenders...excuses, excuses...
- Thread starter Dr. Dissent
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It's near impossible for shows to get straight onto major networks. IPT has done well to get a networks as strong as OLN and Eurosport in it's first real season.
The next challenge is to rate better than alternative content on those networks, and if that happens the biggest networks are going to be looking at it.
The next challenge is to rate better than alternative content on those networks, and if that happens the biggest networks are going to be looking at it.
Dr. Dissent said:
I hate to say it, but I agree in part. I just don't think the TV coverage is going to do well (are there any numbers on this yet??). As I pointed out in another thread, I didn't even watch the IPT events on TV. I'm a huge pool fan but was unable to watch the coverage. What does that say about how many average joes will be watching it??
I'm a big ipt supporter, but things seem a lot more dismal to me right now than when i heard KT talking about how things were going so much better than he ever dreamed possible (the kt audio i listened to online was blown out of proportion looking back imo). just doesnt seem to me his promises or statements he's made have manifested themselves. he's a very good talker, and is good at sparking interest, but you must have the product, marketing, accessability etc to really be successful.
enzo said:
Geez, talk about wanting instant gratifiction.
It seems to me that the plan is right on track. Everything that has been planned is being produced right on schedule.
If it turns out that pool on TV is big overseas then that's where the IPT will make its money. If the public likes it then the TV networks will contact the IPT. If the public does not care about it then it will fail.
We will not have long to wait. In 36 more days we will hear the announcer say, "Let's get ready to raaaaaacccccckkkkkkk em"
Jake
Pardon the Nitpick...
If memory serves, the first two events in 2006 were originally scheduled for January and February. That would put the Tour 6 months behind schedule.
Regardless of that, it is premature to tout the IPT as either a success or failure. Presently, it is all just speculation.
jjinfla said:
If memory serves, the first two events in 2006 were originally scheduled for January and February. That would put the Tour 6 months behind schedule.
Regardless of that, it is premature to tout the IPT as either a success or failure. Presently, it is all just speculation.
Excuses, excuses
The IPT is beginning to crumble.....I told you so.......
Dr. Dissent said:
The IPT is beginning to crumble.....I told you so.......
Dr. Doom type guy.....or whatever.....you don't know this but us supporters are just tired of you negitive *****es......LOL......I think you all want the IPT to fail for some strange reason....have faith buddy we love the game.....you obviously don't......your choice......I can't live with a negative brain.....I sure can't play good pool with all that negativity in my head......think of something positive and maybe you will run your first rack....hehehe
I'm positive that the IPT will fail.......Isn't that a positive statement?
Dr. Dissent
It's frustrating when you know all the answers, but nobody bothers to ask you the questions......LOL...!.
Dr. Dissent
It's frustrating when you know all the answers, but nobody bothers to ask you the questions......LOL...!.
Dr. Dissent said:
I've waited for over 30 years, now that the possibility is there, the wait seems to have been lessened.
Dr. Dissent is a Board Member of the WPA and I am 99% positive that I know which one he is. He has dredged up all these old threads for his own thrills. He is rubbing his hands together and salivating, just waiting for the IPT to crumble. I have the feeling he will be waiting a long time. 
When the IPT didn't hand over a % of the prize money to the WPA, he decided to sneak around and snipe.
Dr. Dissent only has one tune and that is gloom and doom. He doesn't care about the players either, it's all about getting back at KT. You would think he would want to advance the sport no matter who is doing it.
When the IPT didn't hand over a % of the prize money to the WPA, he decided to sneak around and snipe. Dr. Dissent only has one tune and that is gloom and doom. He doesn't care about the players either, it's all about getting back at KT. You would think he would want to advance the sport no matter who is doing it.
The Ipt Is A Brand New Business.i Think Many People Tend To Forget That.any Time You Start A New Business On The Scale Of The Ipt, There Are Going To Be An Incredible Amount Of Unfore Seen Issues To Handle. The Longer You Are In Business, The Better You Get At Seeing Problems Before They Occur. I Myself Hope That The Ipt Prevails, If Not For Any Other Reason Than I Pray That Some Of My Close Friends (who Happen To Be True Champions) Have An Opportunity To Make A Good Living At This Sport.i've Seen Too Many Players Struggle For Too Long To Wish Bad Things For The Ipt.as For The Ipt Failing, Maybe They Will And Maybe They Will Not.i Will Tell You That The Players Will Be Hard Pressed To Find Another Promoter Of The Sport To Put Up The Kind Of Money Needed To Give Them The Same Kind Of Opportunities.
rackmsuckr said:Dr. Dissent is a Board Member of the WPA and I am 99% positive that I know which one he is. He has dredged up all these old threads for his own thrills. He is rubbing his hands together and salivating, just waiting for the IPT to crumble. I have the feeling he will be waiting a long time.
Dr. Dissent only has one tune and that is gloom and doom. He doesn't care about the players either, it's all about getting back at KT. You would think he would want to advance the sport no matter who is doing it.
You know Linda you may have just pointed out an outstanding fact. That a lot of the critics of the IPT have an agenda to hope it fails. So they get on here and constantly point out any little thing to help bring it down. They sure don't want the IPT to succeed. They are only looking at how it will hurt them.
I am sure the WPA is shaking in their boots right about now. If the IPT is successful, and is taken over by Ho, then who in their right mind would bother to belong to the WPA?
Unfortunately the IPT players don't seem to be tightly united behind KT. They like the money. That is for sure. But they do not seem to want to actively promote the IPT. They are riding the fence and hope to be accepted by all sides.
Loyalty does not seem to be a word in the vocabulary of a pool player.
Bernie may not be the best player in the world but at least he does try and publicize the IPT. And for that a bunch of jealous people criticize him. I am sure that he knows that his efforts will not help him but it may help future IPT players. All the players who are in it now are the foundation of the IPT. 5-10 years from now the majority of them will be gone and a new crop of players will take their place.
Jake
jjinfla said:
For many months now, i watched you and Linda defend the IPT to a great degree and I truly respect that. My opinions don't really matter much, so I have kept them pretty much to myself and have really been entertained by a lot of the debates and speculations. For the most part I have LMAO.
Being a promoter of a regional tour myself and veery invoved in pool in the state of Texas, I am in comunication with sveral involved or playing on the IPT. I don't agree with you when say that they are not looyal at all. In fact it seems to go far to the other end. They are loyal and very hopeful and to a large degree sadly, desperately hopeful.
Some have changed their lives as to be competitve. One I know went into a well known pool room and paid to have one of thetables covered with the IPT cloth and bought the balls as well. Not that much you say, but to some it is and shows his seriousness. Others have made some personal choices which are just that and I won't go into what they were because they are very personal.
It is my belief that the players are loyal to the IPT. The problem is that they just don't know quite how to express it. Many are afraid that it will not survive and they will be right back at square one. It truly is a fear.
For the 1st time in many pool players lives, they wish they were better prepared to make personal choices and business decisions. Before, it was easy, go to the tournament, cash out, go home wait for another, no big deal!! Didn't win much, didn't lose much, and knew life would not change much either way. BUT, NOW, it is a whole new ball game. Every match played can change their lives. Maybe He hasn't wasted his whole life after all. Maybe, just maybe something can be salvaged here.
It is hard to put ourselves in their shoes, but it can seem a bit overwhelming at times. There is more at stake than ever before.
The negatives aren't coming from the players. They are coming from the cheap seats. Only time will change those views.
Our little regional tour has reaped benefits from the IPT already. Last year we averaged 61 players per event and this year we are averaging 83. In my mind, that is a substantial increase. Why? The Ipt pllayeers are so focuse on the IPT that they no longer have time for us. Is that negative? Not to me, who can blame them. Now, we have a whole new crop of players and a whole new look.
The players now on the IPT were there for me when we began this almost 5 years ago, and I will NEVER forget it. They were there each month and in total support. When they were winning US Opens and Glass City Opens, I was waving those titles around like a flag and people came out to see them. I ma forever grateful to their generosity.
Maybe these guys will only last 3-5-7 years. Probably so. How many last any longer with PGA, NFL,NBA, or even the MLB. That is just the way it goes. BUT, when they get rich or tired, just step aside, because Jay, Edyie, Mike, and others will be grooming a whole new batch of players. They will learn how to handle this from players of the past.
Do I agree with everything going on? Absolutely not! That's just life. The IPT is having lots of growing pains and many issues to address. All businnesses these days have big problems. There are always solutions.
The players have problems and must come up with solutions as well.
They are loyal. They are confused. Life spent around total negativity is confusing once faced with something new. Give them time.
I was all for and very excited about The IPT until i found out they left everyone stranded at Reno without cash. Thats when I lost all respect.
jjinfla
How come you got no comment about that? Don't you at least think it's Wrong to tell everyone to hang about until Sunday then leave them without the prizemoney they well earned and deserve as proffessional players? It cost money to travel and some came in from abroad. A proffessional organisation like the WPA would not do that.
It's all good to claim the biggest prized tournament in history but it accounts to nothing if they don't pay out.
The WPA has been around for years and are a legitimate organisation they also pay on time.
Also note that the WPA is a non profit organisation and are there for the players, unlike Kt who is doing this to line his silver pockets. But as soon as he realizes it aint gonna happen he will just close up shop and try another venture.
It's evident with the low turnout for the qualifying rounds that people are becoming aware of all this.
Noodles
jjinfla
How come you got no comment about that? Don't you at least think it's Wrong to tell everyone to hang about until Sunday then leave them without the prizemoney they well earned and deserve as proffessional players? It cost money to travel and some came in from abroad. A proffessional organisation like the WPA would not do that.
It's all good to claim the biggest prized tournament in history but it accounts to nothing if they don't pay out.
The WPA has been around for years and are a legitimate organisation they also pay on time.
Also note that the WPA is a non profit organisation and are there for the players, unlike Kt who is doing this to line his silver pockets. But as soon as he realizes it aint gonna happen he will just close up shop and try another venture.
It's evident with the low turnout for the qualifying rounds that people are becoming aware of all this.
Noodles