IPT Weak Player Option...

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Mr. J

Jeff Jimenez
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This may be very premature and it is not intended to harm anyones feelings in any way...

I have been discussing with a fellow poster the topic of Obvious Weak Players on the Tour. This Tour says that they have Real Money, Real Equipment, The best this and that of all the world...etc...

We thought up the possibility of an offering to the Less Than World Class or Pro Level tour members. A Buy Out option for them for their spot on the tour. This Buy out would be offered from the IPT itself. This subject is a very sensive one and I want to be very carefull here. It can't be much fun knowing that for the most part, you will be a BYE match for 90% of the field...

What if they were offered a certain amount of Money for their spot from the IPT???

Just a thought...
 
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I think some of them would be interested BUT the spots are not theirs to sell. If they don't wan't to play then they just don't show up and the IPT fills the spot. I think the only way to buy your way onto the IPT now is to ante up for the qualifiers and PLAY your way on.

John
 
Im sure some who did very poorly are thinking about dropping out if there is no improvement in Reno but as OPC said, they cant sell their spot.
 
Nostroke said:
Im sure some who did very poorly are thinking about dropping out if there is no improvement in Reno but as OPC said, they cant sell their spot.
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But, if they could sell them, there would more for sell . I would bet, than you realize.
Many of those willing to sell, would surprise us, and I bet most would be Americans.
 
I'm sure they cannot sell off their spot. As far as just not showing up, that would not be wise since they are paid a miniumum of $2k for just appearing, right?

Anyway, the good news is that after this year, the bottom 50 will be dropped from the tour (if I read that correctly on their site). Assuming that the tour lasts a few years, then only players that really deserve to be on the tour will be present.

In my opinion it was a bonehead manuever to issue spots on this tour via an application. They should have just filled it out with qualifiers, or at the very least a decent record in other recognized events.

It's a dream come true for some of these people...who were lucky enough to be accepted from an application. Rest assured that the wheat will be separated from the chafe.

Regards,

Doug
 
I know a (very decent playing) shortstop who already has spent over $5000 trying and failing at a few qualifers to get on the IPT. Most likely he would gladly pay someone for their spot if that was possible.A lot of players really regret not applying for IPT spots when that option was available,him being one.I becomes very tediuos with travel and money just trying to qualify the way things are set up now.

A lot of other decent players like Engert and Wu also tried to qualify and failed. The above three afformentioned players and others are a lot more talented than many on the IPT currently.

Once the bottom 50 are dropped from the list, will the 50 open spots all be filled by qualifiers?If that's the case I would think that more than the top two at these qualifers will be added to the tour, otherwise you'd need 25 qualifers just to fill 50 spots.Does anyone know how the IPT will fill those 50 spots after the lower 50 are dropped?
RJ
 
Qualifiers

They are holding 25 qualifiers for the World 8 ball in Reno, and they will hold 25 more for 2007 tour cards for the incoming 50 to replace the bottom 50 dripping off.
 
This is how to qualify to get the 2007 Tour Card:

The 50 bottom players on the IPT will play in Las Vegas in December, facing 200 players who qualify on 100 qualification-tournaments around the world.

Those 250 players will compete about 50 available spots, each with a value of 100 000 $!!!!

That will be hell of a tournament...

It's hard to find information about that qualifier on the web, but they are saying that they are having 160 qualifiers in 2006. Some of them has already been organized, so I sent an email to Deno Andrews wondering about the Qualifier for the Tour Card, and he answered me and sanid there would be 100 qualifiers in the world before December, where the top 2 at each qualifier will go to Reno. I don't know the entryfee of those qualifiers, but who cares of the price as long as the top 50 will get 100 000 $ each??? ;)
 
thanks for input...

I should have stated that this Buy Out would be coming from the IPT...not the commom man or woman who wants in. I will edit my opening thread for this info...
 
Mr. J said:
This may be very premature and it is not intended to harm anyones feelings in any way...

I have been discussing with a fellow poster the topic of Obvious Weak Players on the Tour. This Tour says that they have Real Money, Real Equipment, The best this and that of all the world...etc...

We thought up the possibility of an offering to the Less Than World Class or Pro Level tour members. A Buy Out option for them for their spot on the tour. This Buy out would be offered from the IPT itself. This subject is a very sensive one and I want to be very carefull here. It can't be much fun knowing that for the most part, you will be a BYE match for 90% of the field...

What if they were offered a certain amount of Money for their spot from the IPT???

Just a thought...
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We thought up the possibility of an offering to the Less Than World Class or Pro Level tour members. A Buy Out option for them for their spot on the tour. This Buy out would be offered from the IPT itself.
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Why would the IPT want to buy out a player?

How about buying a place in the final?

G
 
We figured that because the IPT is saying that they have the best of everything that they may want to make sure that they do not have players on the tour that really do not belong there. They might Buy Out the weak player and replace them with someone who plays the game at a much higher level. Someone who has proven perfomance among other Champions in recent events...

Or the IPT could just have more than the 50 spots available in the quailifiers because spots would open up if the Buy Outs were exercised...
 
Selecting members from an application may have been a boneheaded method in some people's eyes, but it did garner most of the top players.

Sprinkled in with those top players are a 12 year old boy (now 13), some amateur legends (like Tammie Jones), legends period (like the HOFers) and a married couple (like Mike and myself). Personally, I also think I was selected on my background in 8ball and my many contributions to the game, as well as an ambassador for pool. Oh yeah, and I was female in a time when the WPBA players were not available. :p Who knows, we may have also been selected on a geographic basis as well.

KT selected players who were enthusiastic on taking a chance with an unproven tour. Sure, now many want to get in by the droves, but who was there in the beginning? I also realize there were a few that did get their ap in on time and still were not selected...and truly, I don't understand that either.

He also selected players on other criteria such as marketability for TV production. Each person had a 'hook'. Whether they exaggerated on their ap or not remains a serious question, as I can think of a few that might have (and it wasn't us, lol.). :p

Jeff, are you saying that if someone were to give up their spots, they should go to the highest bidder, where they may possibly go to someone like Harry Platis or you? I don't see what that would accomplish in raising the level of play. :confused: People with more money don't necessarily play any better than the people being replaced.

I can also tell you that I don't see ANYONE giving up their spots, unless they are too ill or unfirm to make it. You couldn't keep me away from these tournaments with an electric fence!

When the bottom 50 are replaced next year, the cream will rise to the top and there will not be any weak ones left. The women are going to be hard-pressed to have any representation at all. :eek: IMO, the tour will lose a lot because of this. I hope that at least the top 3 or 4 women make it.

And if someone does drop out, their current method of replacement - awarding those that did give their best efforts at qualifiers - is the best one. I am sure that with all the qualifying tournaments planned for a 2007 card, the best players will make it in. :)
 
We figured that because the IPT is saying that they have the best of everything that they may want to make sure that they do not have players on the tour that really do not belong there.
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Why would they care as long as they have the top 50 who will be in the end round anyway?

If some rich Arab wants to pay $500,000 for a place in the final for a top prize of $200,000 ,just play in an IPT final , thats OK with you?
That might be Capitalism but it has nothing to do with SPORT.

Gabber
 
Thanks for the reply Linda. This little idea has nothing to do with how much money someone has in their pocket and is not on the tour but wants in...

The reason is that the Weak players are going to have to commit so much time, effort, money, and energy just to go and participate and basically be a Bye in the tourney. I believe it is an 8 day commitment for the events...room, food, travel , and other expenses and just knowing you will surely only end up receiving 2000 dollars may not get you even at best. This tour is a great thing and all of us are speculating on so many issues with questions going in all directions.

Dave and I just wanted to bring up another one from a different point of view...

Some of the future events are going to require some serious travel plans and things could get costly in many areas for the Weak players...
 
I believe the question is... Does an IPT cardholder really own his/her spot on the tour?

I believe that they should. They earned it... either by virtue of being one of the original 150... or by virtue of the qualifier system (which, BTW, I believe is brilliant because it keeps the IPT in the pool world's forefront, especially in between the major IPT tournaments. There's lots of players out there today that feel that they belong on the tour.).

Back to the issue at hand... I believe that the IPT card should be their's to sell/trade/barter. Why not?... they earned it... and it obviously has some value.

Is it more valuable to another person?... it could be!!

If it is, why not allow the cardholder to sell/trade it, particularly if they feel that they would profit more from selling it by comparison to maintaining it?
 
Thanks Jeff and Dave,

I see what you are getting at. I don't believe we actually OWN our spots, as I suppose they could be yanked at any time for an infraction or anything else. Even if we did, we would have to give them up to someone of the IPT's choosing, as I know they have an alternate's list.

Again, I really don't think anyone will be giving up their spots. They may decide not to attend 1 or 2 events, which will be replaced by someone on the alternate's list, but they won't be giving up their membership.

Even though it is a financial and time burden (for those of us who work), the WEAK players are the ones who are least likely to give up their cards, as this will be the only year they will enjoy membership. :)
 
Linda - Question for ya... would you tell us what your deductable expenses were for the week in Vegas?

I'm just curious... nothing more, nothing less... for those out after the first round, to what degree does the low-end money cover expenses?

Principally, I'm thinkin' airfare, lodging and (perhaps) the delta costs of meals, considering you're not at home but rather eating out.

If you'd rather not share, that's completely understandable. :)
 
cigardave said:
Linda - Question for ya... would you tell us what your deductable expenses were for the week in Vegas?

I'm just curious... nothing more, nothing less... for those out after the first round, to what degree does the low-end money cover expenses?

Principally, I'm thinkin' airfare, lodging and (perhaps) the delta costs of meals, considering you're not at home but rather eating out.

If you'd rather not share, that's completely understandable. :)
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I have stuffed all my receipts into an envelope and have not tallied them yet, but we cleared a profit, especially since it was 2/1 on the room...and it was only $400 for the week in a 5 star condo for 6 people, so we probably made money, lol. I do want to refund some money to people who had to leave early, though.

$600 for 2 flights, so you can get an idea. Taxis and tips were our biggest items, but we also took our condo's shuttle. We bought groceries/fruit and put them in our fridge, made smoothies with the blender, reheated leftovers in the microwave. We did eat at the Mirage buffet, but overall, we were usually eating meals at their food court, so we didn't have to walk too far or miss any rounds of matches.

We brought home almost $10k, so there was definitely a profit. KT offered financial planners to help players with how to manage taxes, investments, etc.
 
Roy Steffensen said:
This is how to qualify to get the 2007 Tour Card:

The 50 bottom players on the IPT will play in Las Vegas in December, facing 200 players who qualify on 100 qualification-tournaments around the world.

Those 250 players will compete about 50 available spots, each with a value of 100 000 $!!!!

That will be hell of a tournament...

It's hard to find information about that qualifier on the web, but they are saying that they are having 160 qualifiers in 2006. Some of them has already been organized, so I sent an email to Deno Andrews wondering about the Qualifier for the Tour Card, and he answered me and sanid there would be 100 qualifiers in the world before December, where the top 2 at each qualifier will go to Reno. I don't know the entryfee of those qualifiers, but who cares of the price as long as the top 50 will get 100 000 $ each??? ;)
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What will the entry fee be for each qualifier, anyone know?
RJ
 
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