IPT- What I Have Been Told
- Thread starter Eydie Romano
- Start date
The PHOENIX
Banned
Dispute Your Credit Card Charges
Just a thought but any player that played in any qualifier for the Reno event or any other event after that should immediately call their respected CC companies and dispute the charges that were charged by the IPT. If everyone did this it would surely get the IPT's attantion and possibly become the start of the Class Action Case against the IPT.
My advice would be to wait until Friday to see what the next announcement holds. If it does not say that the players are getting paid I suggest picking up the phone and calling the CC companies immediately.
Additionally, you may want to check your CC companies rules about disputes and make sure that you file your dispute within the proper time frame.
It definately appears the the players have been patient through this whole matter but the time may have come to take action.
I would also start to gather all receipts from participating in any qualifier for and since Reno to use in the law suit (Hotel Bills, Food, Travel Expenses, New Tip on Cue, Clothes Bought For The Mandatory Dress Code and ANYTHING ELSE). These items will greatly enhance any settlement that may come if you win in court.
Just a thought but any player that played in any qualifier for the Reno event or any other event after that should immediately call their respected CC companies and dispute the charges that were charged by the IPT. If everyone did this it would surely get the IPT's attantion and possibly become the start of the Class Action Case against the IPT.
My advice would be to wait until Friday to see what the next announcement holds. If it does not say that the players are getting paid I suggest picking up the phone and calling the CC companies immediately.
Additionally, you may want to check your CC companies rules about disputes and make sure that you file your dispute within the proper time frame.
It definately appears the the players have been patient through this whole matter but the time may have come to take action.
I would also start to gather all receipts from participating in any qualifier for and since Reno to use in the law suit (Hotel Bills, Food, Travel Expenses, New Tip on Cue, Clothes Bought For The Mandatory Dress Code and ANYTHING ELSE). These items will greatly enhance any settlement that may come if you win in court.
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The downside of the legal avenue is the expense to engage lawyer(s). How many players have the means or the desire to sink more money into a potential legal quagmire that could tie everything up for years and probably not result in any payment to speak of?Jimmy M. said:Of course the deal is off. I doubt it went much further than Ho showing an interest; if it even went that far. How long can KT and the Sunshine Band keep up the charade? Are they going to let you all know that it's down the toilet on Friday or are they going to tell you that they can't finalize the deal over the weekend so you'll be receiving another announcement next week?
Does anyone here have a legal background? I'm not talking about the know-it-alls who think they might know something about the law. I mean, seriously, is there really someone here with a legal background? If so, my question is, do the players have a potential class action suit here? Not knowing anything about the law, I would suspect that they do. I would certainly think that the players could take the IPT to court individually.
Seriously, guys. Patience should be running out here. If you feel like there is some sort of chance of getting paid, wait a little longer, but, at the very least, I'd be seeking some sort of legal advice right now so I'd be ready when the final word came in that I'm getting screwed. What are the legalities if the IPT files bankruptcy? I'd try to get a judgement for my money before that happened. Maybe he's just stalling you guys until the bankruptcy is finalized. Maybe it isn't the fictitious "merger" at all (for $150M USD! Hah! That's my favorite part of the story!). At any rate, if I were one of the ones who was owed money, I'd be looking at what legal options, if any, that I had at the moment. You've been lied to AT LEAST once now when he told you that you weren't getting paid because the checkbook didn't make it to Reno in time. That was an obvious lie, otherwise the IPT could have paid you immediately after the whole checkbook thing was sorted out. It's been a month. KT DOES have his checkbook now. Only, now, he's feeding you a completely different load of crap. Now it isn't the checkbook at all! I'm just saying, don't wait for these guys to ride off into the sunset with your money. Seek some legal advice now just in case.
I'm with you in theory, Jimmy. I just don't think it is a viable option for most.
jay helfert said:
I agree with Jay. I don't think this clown has nearly as much as he claims. In fact, I don't think he has enough personally to cover the payouts. If anyone from the IPT is reading this (and I'm sure you are), I will give $50,000 for the rights to the IPT right now. That includes the website, marketing tools, merchandise, and any other tangible and intangible assets. This does NOT include the outstanding debt to players, vendors, or employees. Basically I would take the model of the IPT and start anew. There would be no false promises and the payouts would obviously be smaller depending on sponsorship and qualifier structure. I realize this is a pittance to the vast wealth and promises of the original Trudeau IPT, but then again, it might be better than nothing and I'm sure KT could use the extra cabbage right about now.
corvette1340 said:
I've hinted at this for sometime now, the one good thing that the IPT has done is prove that great pool events can be shown and get reasonable overage online and on TV. The only problem is they had a flawed business plan trying to fund MASSIVE payouts via MASSIVE qualifiers.
I really hope somebody with more business sense and connections can buy this sinking ship and turn it into something sustainable.
I'm sure you'd get 16-32 players paying $500 entries and would the pro's really be that pissed off if ther was 6 events paying out 100k first and maybe 3ook overall? OK the IPT dream promised much but its sure better than what was around before. I'd rather have that than a fantasy 500k cheque!
jjinfla said:
Jake,
I have been agreeing with a lot of what you say, but in this case, you are WAY out of line. Harry does like to gamble, and yes, historically, yes he has lost the majority of his matchups, because he is too busy making millions in his law practice to get his game to the level he would like.
On the other side of things, he has busted a few champions when he caught a stroke. He has also gotten a lot smarter about matching up. But of course, since all the "champions" always wanted to steal from him, you don't hear about that. And funny... I seem to have a matchup on DVD where he and McCready beat Ronnie Allen for the cash. Seems like he knows how to win at least SOME of the time!
He has also been known for "taking care" of a few down and out poolplayers, as well. Keith McCready comes to mind? And I heard about some old timer poolplayer who had cancer or something, and Harry helped the family out, something he was not obligated to do.
Know the man before you discredit him, Jake.
Russ
Russ Chewning said:
Harry is one of the most "stand up" guys in the pool world!
jjinfla said:
OK Jake, you really are a one-of-a-kind ... did you not read this line in the 'announcement' attributed to KT in AZHousePro's thread ? :
"The U.S. Government's new law outlawing online casino gaming presented an unavoidable temporary bump in the road for the IPT."
Eydie is much better than most in her efforts, imo.
Dave
av84fun said:
The online pool coverage of pool to date has been diabolical, this is one area that the IPT really did blaze a trail. The TV yes, but the IPT has done some good, the question is will it go to waste or will somebody else pick it up and run with it?
TheOne said:
The shame of it is that their TV coverage could have been so much better. They should have hired an experienced executive producer and LISTENED to him/her instead of having an associate of KT run the show. There should have been some real "reality" type programming rather than just interviews, and the cheesy costumes and bad commentary should never have been included. If you compare the professional format of pro TV poker to the IPT, you'll see a world of difference.
Some of the production elements were very nice -- the highlighting graphics over the balls, in particular. That helps pool newbs enjoy the game more, and see the patterns. What is completely amateur and insulting to the intelligence of pool fans is --- why in the effing WORLD is KT doing ANY talking? Because he needs a stage to strut his clueless narcissistic ego around on? Sorry, but this is a transparent attempt to keep his mug on the TV, since he has been permanently banned from doing other forms of his slick-schtick on the tube by legal injuctions. He bought the face time, but otherwise had no business mugging or commenting on pool.
grisbe said:
The hype and pomposity of the tv coverage is awful. For starters, when Reyes played Morris in the finale, they both entered the stage with multi-colored strobes flashing and billowing smoke.
In the MS vs. LJJ matchup, you may recall MS making his grand entry with a bikini-clad babe on each arm. Upon reaching the stage, another gal wearing a bikini then gave him his cue stick. It's like a fantasy come true!
...but unfortunately, the tv coverage smacks of surrealism.Russ Chewning said:
How did I discredit him?
Anyway, why don't you give him a call.
Or get Keith to call him.
I am sure that the players would kick in a hundred bucks each to hire him to see if they have a case. Or, would they?
No, I am not discrediting him at all but I would expect him to tell the players that it was up to them to know what they were getting into. Just like he knows what he is getting into when he plays championship players. One thing for sure is that he in not dumb. Can't say that for all pool players though.
So hire the man. Hell, he might even work pro bono.
That would be a lot better than doing nothing or talking the situation to death on this board. Nothing will get done here. Boards are just an exercize in futility for us demented people.
And if they would just unlock my door and let me go outside more often I would get better.
Jake
jjinfla said:
First of all, just because you read "Playing Off The Rail" doesn't mean you know Harry. No, there are other things he likes to do, like back broke poolplayers to put them back in action. And help with the bills when an old champion player gets sick and can't support their family. He also wants to stay in a profession that allows him to support his family VERY well, which is more than I can say for the majority of the champions he plays.
And yeah, a few have "robbed" him. And a few have also walked away dead broke, too. Have you ever busted a champion, Jake? And furthermore, if you know the level of play you are capable of, and that level will get the money, but you don't perform well, and you end up losing, did you get "robbed"? Harry has beat Earl Strickland in a big tourney before, so he CAN bring it sometimes. Oh, by the way, have YOU beaten Earl in a big tournament before?
And third, and most important you said it was "most likely" that people had spoken to him, and he laughed at them for the situation they were in. You are flat out WRONG for making such an assumption, and if you don't apologize for it, I am done with you, Jake. This is a smear on the man, and on the man's compassion. The pro players had no choice to give Kevin Trudeau the benefit of the doubt after everyone got paid from the KoH tournaments. He PAID the money. I am sure Harry understands a LOT better than you that the players had no choice, and in all probability would NOT laugh at them.
By daying he would, you are putting your negative attitude off on him. It's one thing to (rightly, IMHO) think that the IPT is over, and noone is gonna get paid, but it's a WHOLE different thing to either laugh at the players, or say someone else will laugh at the players over this.
It's a sad, sad, situation which because of the prior situation in pool, could not have been avoided. Once the first crop of IPT selectees got paid, it was a done deal. KT had everyone hooked, and from that point on, everyone was just hoping.
Russ