Is 2007 The Season Of Closure For The IPT?

[Island Drive]

If you say so.

Yep..............

 

[sjm]

KT's exploits have been good for pool!! Sorry, but I just can't go along with you on this one. I just can't find where what he has done has improved anything.

KT has contributed nothing, just as you suggest, though I'm delighted for the handful of players that have some real cash, net of expenses, to show for their IPT efforts.

He has not advanced pool's business model one iota and only time we will tell whether he's put the fear of God in others that might have invested heavily in pool and its productions down the road.

He has given the players just one more reason to distrust future pool proprietors, and this comes at the worst possible moment for our sport. He has humiliated the players, not just by lying to them and by stiffing them on moneys due, but by continually failing to communicate with them, and making sure that others in his organization took the same disgraceful path.

Let him pay the players and then get lost.

 

[Island Drive]

KT has contributed nothing, just as you suggest, though I'm delighted for the handful of players that have some real cash, net of expenses, to show for their IPT efforts.

He has not advanced pool's business model one iota and only time we will tell whether he's put the fear of God in others that might have invested heavily in pool and its productions down the road.

He has given the players just one more reason to distrust future pool proprietors, and this comes at the worst possible moment for our sport. He has humiliated the players, not just by lying to them and by stiffing them on moneys due, but by continually failing to communicate with them, and making sure that others in his organization took the same disgraceful path.

Let him pay the players and then get lost.

SJM This below post is NOT mine:

KT's exploits have been good for pool!! Sorry, but I just can't go along with you on this one. I just can't find where what he has done has improved anything.

 

[ironman]

SJM This below post is NOT mine:

KT's exploits have been good for pool!! Sorry, but I just can't go along with you on this one. I just can't find where what he has done has improved anything.

It was MINE. Not Island Drive.

 

[jediphil]

Almost all of the league players that I talk to don't know the ipt players didn't get payed, so I don't see non-pool players would have a clue.

Steve

they dont have a clue

i told one of our league players about the problems and he said that cant be the case cause he watched it on TV and efren got a briefcase full of cash at the end. !!!!!!!

haha brilliant

 

[Snapshot9]

An End ...

No, someone that is conning you never ends it, they just continue to con you with a new con, dragging out the timeline, to the point that the original problems is so muddied, and there are many layers to wade back through.

That way, they don't have to be accountable for what they did in the first place. THE ONLY WAY some type of closure can come about is for a lawsuit to be filed in behalf of a player (or players) for their money due them, or for criminal charges to be filed against KT.

Otherwise, KT will just keep putting different records on the jukebox, and do a little sing and dance number, probably with a straw hat and a cane.

Someone needs to attach his 2006 Tax Filing to the IRS.

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

Play 'Misty' For Me

Otherwise, KT will just keep putting different records on the jukebox, and do a little sing and dance number, probably with a straw hat and a cane.

A hat and a cane ? I like it.
Doug
( I like it alot )

 

[DaveK]

A hat and a cane ? I like it.
Doug
( I like it alot )

Man that frog could sing ! (I'm assuming the he't the one from that Buggy Bunny episode in the construction site. How's my assumption smorg ?).

And rigger : The IPT raised the profile of pool ? By what measure ? There is no evidence of the IPT raising the profile of pool, it's just wishful thinking. You may simply be confusing the big buzz within AZ billiards with the real world. The IPT raised the thread count around here, but then so did fast larry.

IPT shows how it's done ? NOT ! The IPT showed that you run out of money to pay the players when you spend outrageous sums on expensive catering, massagers (that's not a word, but who can spell maseuses ?), and other frivolous extravagences for a pool tournament. They showed how you can ignore all existing written rules sets, make up your own, and run into all kinds of bizarre situations like people climbing on tables and safeties being disallowed in mid-game !

I like the frog a lot too.

Dave

 

[Dr. Dissent]

Here's a list to get you started:

- raising the profile of the game globally
- hosting some of the greatest events ever held and showing how it should be done (except for the bit where the cash is paid out!)
- notwidthstanding the issues with reno payments the IPT has still paid out huge sums compared to other pool tours.
- raising interest in 8 ball, the best pool game of them all.
- taught the pool world some good lessons for the future.

So I'm not excusing KT and I agree that he's a low-life but I'm still glad he came along and did this and believe the game will be better for it in the long run. Hopefully, if the IPT dies, someone will come along and take inspiration from KT's ideas but do it properly with a sustainable business model.

Let's do some numbers. There is a population of 300 million in the U.S. Maybe 10,000 players around the World are serious players. About 1,000 of these players are ranked in the World but only 150 players (not the best ones) were selected for this tour. There has been some extraordinary tournaments around the Globe, at some very nice places, easily compared to the venues used by the IPT, with the best players attending these venues, not hand-picked; therefore:

Do you consider that KT really raised the profile of 8 ball globally? Are you saying that everyone left what they were doing to go play 8 ball?

I don't think so.

 

[islandboz]

Reason and speak objectively

If u can't see any positives for pool as a result of the IPT...your are obviously a very partial person.

KT's exploits have been good for pool!! Sorry, but I just can't go along with you on this one. I just can't find where what he has done has improved anything.
I'm sorry, I just have a hard time finding anything positive the IPT did for pool or it's supporters.

Your above statements show me you need to live a little longer to understand that life doesn't always go as one would like. Life is not as simple as you make it out to be. Sounds like you have NEVER failed at something you have had a passion for, but to be safe why take the risk eh?

 

[jay helfert]

If u can't see any positives for pool as a result of the IPT...your are obviously a very partial person.

The IPT will always be remembered for the negative way it ended.

 

[Island Drive]

If u can't see any positives for pool as a result of the IPT...your are obviously a very partial person.

Again, that is not my post.

 

[sjm]

The IPT will always be remembered for the negative way it ended.

Exactly, and to be more specific, it will be remembered as the biggest swindle in the game's history.

 

[justnum]

a swindle implies nobody fought the guy and players stayed victims.

How about debacle

 

[Fleece3]

Well, now that all is said and done (the IPT) let's look on the bright side of things.

Reno DID turn out to be a million dollar (PAID) 8 ball tournament.

Efren DID get 166k, Rodney 50k (Neils got less than 17k for DCC).

The IPT did put a few million dollars in players pockets in its short life. In most tourneys you need top 10 just to get paid.

KT did SHOW the world a quality pool production. Now it has gone the way of the XFL, WFL, WCW. Just another failed sports organization. Nothing more nothing less.

I just hate that players have to go back to ACTION just to make ends meet. Pool doesn't MAKE money with action, it just keeps moving around. We need money COMING IN to pool, like in golf. Golf MAKES money, which is why you never hear of Tiger playing VJ on the back 9 for 10k

Time to drop this forum and move on.

 

[justnum]

IPT was not close to quality production, most of the equipment he was using was updated 90's equipment. Nothing with the full nuances of contemporary technology. What that entails well you've seen the movies they are usually two steps behind current video game trends.

specifically: a smoke machine for that grand entrance
still cam operators, horribly edited graphics,

too much compensation with excessive lighting and not efficient use of it. Then dont even get me started on those models he had there.

Then there was the website which I think Barrettas got a better website because its Java and its more playful, rather than some html version of an excel worksheet. the IPT press release section which makes me think its some kind of news wire for the billiards industry

RANT RANT RANT
commentary on IPT lousy, like I said its like watching a billiards match with my lil bro who just figured out what a scratch is.

THe players dressing and looking like they werent comfortable very obvious. Did it look like a natural pool environment or some saline enhanced version of it.

 

[Dr. Dissent]

It's a swindle all right!

a swindle implies nobody fought the guy and players stayed victims.

How about debacle

In reality nobody has fought the guy; the players stayed victims; therefore I would consider it a swindle.....