Is it a sport or a game?

Which is it?

  • Game

    Votes: 51 36.7%
  • Sport

    Votes: 88 63.3%

  • Total voters
    139
It's both!

Why must it be only one or the other?

IMHO, I think when pool is played by someone only a few times a year, or even a few times a month, it is ONLY a game. BUT...when someone plays every day or several times a week, spending hours and hours practicing and/or competing, it rises to the level of "sport".

I think it all depends on how it is played.
 
gwvavases said:
It's both!

Why must it be only one or the other?

IMHO, I think when pool is played by someone only a few times a year, or even a few times a month, it is ONLY a game. BUT...when someone plays every day or several times a week, spending hours and hours practicing and/or competing, it rises to the level of "sport".

I think it all depends on how it is played.

Very good point. Problem is the majority of the American pool culture do not recognize excellence. Rather, some choose to demean and suckerpunch the champions of the sport; pool, if you will.

JAM
 
JAM said:
EXCELLENT response, Gerry! I was beginning to feel like I was sitting on the Titanic watching pool sink even deeper into the abyss of the American pool culture's badly informed opinion. I wish more folks felt like you! :)

JAM

thanks JAM...as I get older and become one of the more experienced players, I take every opportunity to give our sport/game;) the props it deserves.

Gerry
 
Let me clear this up for you!

Billiards is a game until you have aspirations, and then you realize it is a sport.
 
BOTH

Sport........

1. "an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc."

2. "diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime."

Game........

1. "a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators."
 
Thunderball said:
I see this here a lot.Quite often I see "sport" used to discribe our game of choice.
I just don't see it that way.

I love to play and will till I'm dead,but a sport it is not.
Wow. This is new. Not the question, but the fact that nobody has asked it in over 4 months. That must be some kind of record.

Fred <~~~ it's both
 
Pool is a Sport

This thread has become similar to trying to convince someone that a container is half full or half empty.

Steve
 
realkingcobra said:
Coin-op pool tables are to blame for ruining pool?????? AND inexperienced players?????? Who died and left YOU in charge? How many league players are there in this country that play on bar tables vs your so called tables? YOU need to stand CORECTED...as ALL of us started as inexperienced players...and god forbid...so did you buddy!

Glen

Well, you're right on only ONE POINT, GLEN!!! I was (and I'll admit) a YOUNG starter but at least I go over to where I attend my studies and see these 18-21 year olds just bang balls everywhere and trying to jump another ball by (GUESS WHAT!!???) miscuing low and making the ball jump illegally. FYI, if we didn't have Coin-Op tables with the wrong size cueball, believe me, we would be the best in the world with 14.1 (straight pool).

P.S. I really don't know what your age is, but if you're younger than my age, I can understand. If you're older.. please consider growing up instead of acting like the size of your shoe, Glen.

Thank you...
 
It's a sport, end of story. I have a broken collarbone right now and cannot play. I can play chess or checkers all day long if I want but can't even stroke a ball properly.
 
JAM said:
In the words of Aretha Franklin, those who have devoted their life to your game and my sport and have achieved heights that you and I will never achieve need a little R-E-S-P-E-C-T here in America.

JAM

I fail to see a connection between having respect for the greats in the sport/game of pool and the use of the term "sport" versus the term "game".
I'm sure Garry Kasparov is very much respected and chess is most certainly a game not a sport. As I am sure Keith and those of his skill level are most surely respected by those who know pool whether it is called a "game" or a "sport". They will receive a degree of respect from the general public because they are the best at pool, but until people care about pool and understand the level of skill involved they will never be adequately appreciated no matter what term is applied. Badminton is a sport, name it's world champion.
If pool players receive disrespect from the general public it is due to the reputation that pool carries with it. That reputation, deserved or not, is independent of whether pool is called a "game" or a "sport".
 
Billiards, as a major classification, is a sport, that has a number of games included in that classification.

In the Olympic Games, they have "sports" such as trap and skeet shooting, BB gun shooting and archery. The games included in Billiards require all of the eye to hand coordination and concentration involved in those sports, and more, therefore, billiards must be a sport.
 
I think we learn the sport but then play the game to see how well we've learned the sport. It's kind of the chicken and the egg thingee....I can sit here and ponder the sport but I have to get off my lazy butt to play the game...no, wait a minute. I think I'm wrong and maybe the next time this question gets asked I'll fix a nice chicken breast omlete and enjoy the finished product or perhaps just look at the thing and smell its aroma...Oh, now my head is spinning. If I post this will others think I am just some irreverant sportsman or a game player? ......what the hell......click...

Until next time......:)
 
Not wanting an argument out of anyone, but I voted "game" as my choice on this poll. A true "sport" by my definition is one where a person goes against another person on an equal playing field where the two (or more) combatants must utilize both an offense and a defense. Some may argue that pool/billiards meets this criteria, but IMO it does not. In pool/billiards the incoming player is faced with a different table condition than the outgoing player had. This creates conditions that changes the way balls roll, good or bad, for the next player. Not an equal playing field IMO. This is the way I feel and I won't change my opinion no matter how many arguments I read about it.
Some examples of "true" sports in MY definition are: Tennis, boxing, wrestling (not WWF style, but real wrestling) and many track and field events to name a few. Team sports such as football, baseball, basketball, hockey, etc. also qualify under my standards.

Maniac
 
BlackDragon said:
I see it as a game when I play with friends and a sport when I play with enemies :cool:

Black Dragon, you selected a quote from JRHendy in your signature line that really shined brightly for me.

Bravo to you for seeing that little gem. :)

JAM
 
It seems to me that a sport also implies it is a game, but a game does not imply sport. If the distinction relies on some physical aspect, then pool would qualify as a sport (and a game). But I think it is a fuzzier distinction and ultimately not very meaningful. Just based on convention many people would not consider pool a sport.
 
Is Chess a Sport?
Q. Is chess a sport?

A. It might at first seem that chess is a sport. First of all, it's clearly a competitive activity, which seems to be a necessary if not sufficient condition for something's being a sport. Second, the same sorts of general mental and physical disciplines needed by the sportsman (e.g. mental toughness, strong self-confidence, endurance, etc.) are required for chess players to succeed. To take a prominent example, Karpov's (then-) frail physique nearly cost him twice in big matches against Korchnoi (one for the world championship, the other in a final candidates match) and quite possibly did cost him the title to Kasparov when he lacked the endurance to finish him off in 1984.

Yet despite the above, I think that chess is not a sport. Here's why:

1. I take the following to be necessary conditions of being a sport:

a. That it's a competitive activity.
b. That the performance of the activity have an intrinsically physical component.

2. Chess fulfills (a) but not (b). As far as the nature of chess is concerned, it could be played by disembodied spirits using mental telepathy or by conscious computers.

(Whether either exists is a question for another time; I'm inclined to think the former do exist and to be skeptical about the possibility of the latter, and I'm sure some of my readers think I have it exactly backwards. No matter; the point here is just that either sort of being could play chess either without any physical activity whatsoever, or without the physical activity's being an intrinsic part of the fulfillment of the exercise.)

What I mean by an "intrinsically physical component" is easy to grasp by considering a paradigmatic case: in football, players score touchdowns by using their bodies to move the football across the field and into the end zone, field goals or extra points by sending the ball through the goal posts using only their feet. A physical object must be moved through physical space using particular bodily means.

Not so with chess. Moving the wood or plastic pieces isn't an intrinsic part of the game - one could play an online game by moving one' s mouse or better still, not move anything to play a blindfold game. (One has to move something to state one's move, but the expressing of a move isn't itself a move.) What counts is the production of a move, and that is not an intrinsically physical activity.

3. Thefore, chess isn't a sport.

Now, if one chooses to define a sport merely as some sort of competitive endeavor, then chess would be let in - but so would many other activities, like put-down contests and job interviews. Nor is it enough to add to the competitiveness condition the further requirement that it's an activity where physical prowess can make a substantial difference to one's potential success: one candidate for a job may succeed due to his enhanced fitness (his healthy appearance impressed the hiring committee, his superior conditioning enabled him to successfully work longer hours at his previous job, improving his qualifications, etc.), but that still wouldn't turn job interviewing into a sport.

In sum, while chess is in some significant ways sports-like, and physical and mental training are of great value to ambitious tournament chess players, chess is not a sport - at least if an activity only counts as a sport if it includes some intrinsically physical component.


Now, I figure that if fishing is considered a sport...because it's me against the fish...LOL...then pool HAS to be a sport, because I've caught plenty of fish in my time on a pool table. In other words, from the statements made from above, chess is trying to get the same statis as pool is, so is it any less of a sport, that it can only be considered to be at best...a game?

Fishing has no football, basketball, baseball, or boxing type of contact involved in it...but, fishing IS a sport, played at all over the world...so, why not pool?, because fishing does not meet most of your requirements needed to be called a sport! YET...once again..it is.

Glen
 
Pool is a game of skill, golf is a game of skill, chess is a game of skill, putt putt is a game of skill (and for the record has a bigger payday than pool, how wrong is that?) nascar is a bunch of idiots who never learned to turn right, fishing is a pastime.

I'm not saying that athletes don't perform better naturally at these games, but it isn't necessary to be an athlete to perform well in them. I don't think anyone expects Kid Delicious to have a great 40yd dash time, no offense, cause I love that guy, but it doesn't REQUIRE physical fitness. Would it help in a marathon match? Sure, but a marathon match isn't REQUIRED.

My opinion, and we all know about opinions.
 
I've had some time to think about this some more and I now think it is not a sport unless some big, sweaty, smelly, and angry looking guy is standing in front of me screaming and I think he wants to hurt me so I hope they don't give me the ball......Yikes!!!
 
I'm 50 years old, and my feelings are such that no matter what the table is, coin-operated or not, junk or not, the best tables in the world...it really don't matter...because no matter what table a person starts out playing on...the point is they start playing pool, and exposure is the number one thing that helps build players in this game! If a player gets the bug to play pool because they started out playing on bar box tables...then who cares, if they have the desire to continue playing...they'll move up to playing on better tables...as well as 9ft's...so the beginning of playing pool is just as, if not more important, than being a good pool player...wouldn't you think? After all, if it wasn't for the begining interests of people wanting to play pool...this sport would die from the lack of upcomming players!

Glen

PS. If it WASN'T for coin-operated pool tables...you would have back up the amount of players today in this country by at least half!

FYI, look up on the superpages.com and look under billiards and see how many pool rooms are listed vs bars and pubs. Here, let me help you. 4052 pool halls vs bars & pubs...61,416...so stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

"these 18-21 year olds just bang balls everywhere and trying to jump another ball by (GUESS WHAT!!???) miscuing low and making the ball jump illegally. FYI, if we didn't have Coin-Op tables with the wrong size cueball, believe me, we would be the best in the world with 14.1 (straight pool)"

Again, FYI, I started playing pool more than 40 years ago, and illegal jump shots were being made back then as well...as there was NO such thing as a jump cue that is used today. And as far as 14.1...we were the best in the world at one time...because other countries around the world DIDN"T play 14.1...so now they do...so GET OVER IT!

Thank you!
 
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