Is it wrong to use Ivory in cues??
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Hail Mary Shot wrote:
> I guess it is moral for some people not to kill animals rather
> than cutting helpless trees ! that's right, just ignore the trees,
> that makes you morally correct !!!
No, this is not how I see it. It's not an either/or issue. To me, if it's possible to have something as good as ivory (or even better), I would go for that. The same for wood -- if there was as a good replacement for it, I would be all for it. So far I haven't seen it, but I've seen good (and even better) replacements for ivory.
-- peer
> I guess it is moral for some people not to kill animals rather
> than cutting helpless trees ! that's right, just ignore the trees,
> that makes you morally correct !!!
No, this is not how I see it. It's not an either/or issue. To me, if it's possible to have something as good as ivory (or even better), I would go for that. The same for wood -- if there was as a good replacement for it, I would be all for it. So far I haven't seen it, but I've seen good (and even better) replacements for ivory.
-- peer
I don't like poachers or farmers who clear land excessively etc. I like ivory and leather and pretty wood and gold and silver and good paintings and good music etc. Lets don't kill all the elephants and lets not cut all the trees but lets make good use of the resources that are out there.
If a person is still very opposed to use of certain materials then let them make use of alternatives. Happy pool shooting to all.
If a person is still very opposed to use of certain materials then let them make use of alternatives. Happy pool shooting to all.
matcase said:
couldn't have said any better ! in short, appreciate what mother nature can provide for us.
Cuebacca said:Was that a Hail Mary Shot?
Most Probably !!!
Peer said:
Point Taken !
I hope we don't have to resort to using ice cues !!!
There's a lot of questions around this one, and I myself am undecided. I can appreciate ivory in antique cues, and love the look of them. I myself, wouldn't want any Ivory in my cues, because of the cost.
What about exotic wraps? Shark skin wraps? Rattlesnake? Alligator? I would be interested in hearing peoples thoughts about that?
What about exotic wraps? Shark skin wraps? Rattlesnake? Alligator? I would be interested in hearing peoples thoughts about that?
I voted no because I saved my wisdom teeth and someone said teeth and tusks count as ivory... that's 4 ivory diamond inlays right there!
Hierovision said:
You must be one heck of an elephant! can I have your tusks?
Hail Mary Shot said:You must be one heck of an elephant! can I have your tusks?
On second thought, I might as well visit my dentist if he could spare me a few of those tusks !
Don't use ivory, that way there is more left for my cues...
Bullsh** earlier posts about overpopulation
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/02/26/elephant-report.html
llegal trade of ivory reaches unprecedented levels in Africa: report
Last Updated: Monday, February 26, 2007 | 9:04 PM ET
CBC News
The illegal trade of elephant ivory has reached such unprecedented levels in Africa that the authors of a U.S. report published Monday are urging western nations to provide more aid for better enforcement.
They say the trade has increased despite an international ban on ivory imposed in the late 1980s.
"Poaching right now has reached its worst levels in history," said Samuel Wasser, one of the report's authors and director of the University of Washington's Center for Conservation Biology in Seattle.
"We're hoping that a number of NGOs [non-governmental organizations] are going to get on the bandwagon and help renew their interest in the ivory [trade]," said Wasser, referring to groups such as the World Wildlife Fund and the International Fund for Animal Welfare.
Wasser said the poaching problem is so serious that elephants may disappear altogether unless western nations resume enforcement efforts that all but stopped black-market ivory trafficking in the four years immediately after the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora was implemented in 1989.
Since then, funding has dropped off and there isn't enough money to maintain enforcement, he said.
Before the 1989 international ban on ivory, between eight and nine per cent of the African elephant population was killed each year, Wasser said. But it's now more than nine per cent each year, he said.
Wasser said he hopes that NGOs can implement public campaigns much like one by WildAid, which has enlisted celebrities, for example, to encourage the public to stop buying shark fins for medicinal purposes.
In Monday's report, it is estimated that more than 23,000 elephants were killed last year based on border seizures of contraband ivory totalling 23,461 kilograms that were headed for Asia.
The report also blamed the rise in contraband ivory on organized crime that is meeting the growing demand in China and Japan where it's used in jewelry and carvings. One border seizure contained 42,120 hankos, worth $8.4 million US, which represented about 20 per cent of Japan's annual hanko trade. Hankos are personalized seals used to stamp letters.
The ivory demand has also increased prices. In 1989, one kilogram of ivory sold for $100 on the black market, Wasser said. In 2004, it rose to $200 per kilogram and it skyrocketed to $750 per kilogram last year.
The poaching hotspots in Africa include southeast Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Zambia, Wasser said.
He has been working with other scientists and Interpol to track the source of poached ivory to help law enforcement agents work more effectively.
Over several years, they have collected genetic information from a variety of populations by sampling tissue and dung from known elephant populations and have compiled the data into a DNA-based map showing genetic differences between elephant populations.
Using that information, the scientists were able to detect whether the elephants originated from forests or savannahs.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/02/26/elephant-report.html
llegal trade of ivory reaches unprecedented levels in Africa: report
Last Updated: Monday, February 26, 2007 | 9:04 PM ET
CBC News
The illegal trade of elephant ivory has reached such unprecedented levels in Africa that the authors of a U.S. report published Monday are urging western nations to provide more aid for better enforcement.
They say the trade has increased despite an international ban on ivory imposed in the late 1980s.
"Poaching right now has reached its worst levels in history," said Samuel Wasser, one of the report's authors and director of the University of Washington's Center for Conservation Biology in Seattle.
"We're hoping that a number of NGOs [non-governmental organizations] are going to get on the bandwagon and help renew their interest in the ivory [trade]," said Wasser, referring to groups such as the World Wildlife Fund and the International Fund for Animal Welfare.
Wasser said the poaching problem is so serious that elephants may disappear altogether unless western nations resume enforcement efforts that all but stopped black-market ivory trafficking in the four years immediately after the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora was implemented in 1989.
Since then, funding has dropped off and there isn't enough money to maintain enforcement, he said.
Before the 1989 international ban on ivory, between eight and nine per cent of the African elephant population was killed each year, Wasser said. But it's now more than nine per cent each year, he said.
Wasser said he hopes that NGOs can implement public campaigns much like one by WildAid, which has enlisted celebrities, for example, to encourage the public to stop buying shark fins for medicinal purposes.
In Monday's report, it is estimated that more than 23,000 elephants were killed last year based on border seizures of contraband ivory totalling 23,461 kilograms that were headed for Asia.
The report also blamed the rise in contraband ivory on organized crime that is meeting the growing demand in China and Japan where it's used in jewelry and carvings. One border seizure contained 42,120 hankos, worth $8.4 million US, which represented about 20 per cent of Japan's annual hanko trade. Hankos are personalized seals used to stamp letters.
The ivory demand has also increased prices. In 1989, one kilogram of ivory sold for $100 on the black market, Wasser said. In 2004, it rose to $200 per kilogram and it skyrocketed to $750 per kilogram last year.
The poaching hotspots in Africa include southeast Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Zambia, Wasser said.
He has been working with other scientists and Interpol to track the source of poached ivory to help law enforcement agents work more effectively.
Over several years, they have collected genetic information from a variety of populations by sampling tissue and dung from known elephant populations and have compiled the data into a DNA-based map showing genetic differences between elephant populations.
Using that information, the scientists were able to detect whether the elephants originated from forests or savannahs.
yally said:
And your point is >>>> elephants are important than trees? what happened to the population of trees? aren't trees worth saving? aren't they contibuted for the survival of planet earth?
uh, duh!
Trees my friend are not extinct ! true they are being diminished by unscrupulous harvesters but there is no comparison with the butchering of an elephant for its tusk and leaving what was a living breathing animal to die and the elimination of an entire species ! so you can have a piece of ornamentation on your cue!Hail Mary Shot said:And your point is >>>> elephants are important than trees? what happened to the population of trees? aren't trees worth saving? aren't they contibuted for the survival of planet earth?
Jim, I agree with your statement, however, why shouldn't the countries in Africa be able to sell the ivory that already exists?JimS said:
Elephants do die from natural causes and this produces a certain amount of ivory. Also, when poachers are captured, all of their ivory is confiscated by the authorities.
The sale of all of this ivory can help these countries finance the protection of the remaining elephants. I see no problem with the sale of this ivory on the world market.
I love Ivory in cues, ostrich boots, leather seats, and a BIG FAT beef steak on Friday evenings!
If you don't like those things that is fine. But Do Not try to tell me what's right or wrong in life.
I know there are some ghosts in your closet just like everyone else......... so make d..n sure your yard is mowed before you complain about mine.
(My new cue that's Ivory end to end)
If you don't like those things that is fine. But Do Not try to tell me what's right or wrong in life.
I know there are some ghosts in your closet just like everyone else......... so make d..n sure your yard is mowed before you complain about mine.
(My new cue that's Ivory end to end)
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MrLucky said:Trees my friend are not extinct ! true they are being diminished by unscrupulous harvesters but there is no comparison with the butchering of an elephant for its tusk and leaving what was a living breathing animal to die and the elimination of an entire species ! so you can have a piece of ornamentation on your cue!
POOR OLD TREES ! being ignored again just because they ain't extinct yet but clearly on their way!
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I wonder if elephant tastes good...