Is Max Eberle as big as a goof as I now think?

Happened to run across one of his " flat earth " discussions on FB. The oceans are held in place by ice walls, in which no one is allowed to go past because of the Antarctica treaty. The sun revolves around the earth, BTW the sun is only 3000 miles away, same size as the moon ( 32 miles diameter ). On and on and on.......... Put the pipe................

BTW I'm all for a good conspiracy theory every now and then, so what's the thoughts on why " they " want us to think the earth is round???

He's a failed artist, I think. He needs a platform
 
Hey E,

Check this out. This doesnt add up.


small+ $5000 = fake

And fake is < real

So small + $5000 < small?



They are essentially adding to something yet taking away from its value at the same time.:smile:
 
In Hebrew, 'God and Math' are the same.. (Theomatics) So yes God is everywhere.. "do the (language) Math". :-0.... Not that that changes anything for anyone but like most religious beliefs its a 'fun fact' to ponder.

Now back to the bar thing... where are these 'math genius' pool players showing up? I think I may have an opportunity for them...:smile:
 
The conclusion from page 4:

Regardless, mathematics could stand as humanity's greatest invention. It composes a vital part of our neural architecture and continues to empower us beyond the mental limits we were born with, even as we struggle to fathom its limits.

Who cares?
 
Just love how you leave out so much that doesn't fit your statement. And only post things that you think fit what you said. Notice the word "could". Far different from your definitive statement that it does.

Real truth is, they don't know for sure.

I NEVER said that it WAS man's greatest INVENTION.

I merely said that 'math' is man made & that we devised it.

There is always going to be those that will argue on BOTH sides of any question that is asked. There will never be 100% total agreement by every living intelligent human being.

Gravity existed from it's inception but the formulas used to explain it have not. They were devised by us so as to explain what gravity is.

The principle of gravity was always there & we came to realize it, or 'discover' it. We then set out to define it & in doing so we 'assigned' numbers to it.

Every living being has gravity & live with it & can use it but every living being does no have the mathematical knowledge to know how to represent it. That must be learned from other human beings.

When an alien lands & discusses gravity with us they will more than likely say, 'No, your math is wrong. It's pull is not 32 ft. per sec. It's 2 drakmas per appendage step.'.

Their math & our math will be describing the same scientific principle but in different 'math' that was devised (&created) independently.
 
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In Hebrew, 'God and Math' are the same.. (Theomatics) So yes God is everywhere.. "do the (language) Math". :-0.... Not that that changes anything for anyone but like most religious beliefs its a 'fun fact' to ponder.

Now back to the bar thing... where are these 'math genius' pool players showing up? I think I may have an opportunity for them...:smile:

I don't speak Hebrew but that is not what I got when I looked up Theomatics.

Theo is Greek for God & matics means math so the word Theomatics means the numbers or math of God.

Theomatics also refers to the Hewbrew study of numbers in the Bible.

I don't thing the Hebrews called or referred to God by the name of Theomatics.
 
Who cares?

Everyone that has made a post regarding it.

You made 4 posts about it before this one when you thought you were an obvious winner regarding the discussion.

Now it's, who cares.

Oh, I forgot you live in your own little reality that you alone define.

Best Wishes.
 
I just thought of something. I forget what its called but there is a phenomenon where two moons appear in our sky side by side due to atmospheric reflection or something or the other. Could someone PLEASE post a pic of this to Max's FB !
 
Everyone that has made a post regarding it.

You made 4 posts about it before this one when you thought you were an obvious winner regarding the discussion.

Now it's, who cares.

Oh, I forgot you live in your own little reality that you alone define.

Best Wishes.

Winner? Is there a prize? Did I drop out too early?

Damn. Always finishing out of the money on these threads. Why can't someone just post the damn prize list at the beginning of the thread so we all know what's at stake???
 
I'm not sure why you want it to be something that always existed or where you're going with it, but if an alien lands here tomorrow do you thing our maths will be the same?

If we both understand the math correctly then the math will be the same, even if the way we symbolically represent it is different.
 
If we both understand the math correctly then the math will be the same, even if the way we symbolically represent it is different.

I think what you are referring to is not 'the math' but the scientific principle.

Physics is not math & math is not physics.

Our math is the language that we use to communicate the physics to each other.

If another society (aliens) have another different math then we would not be able to communicate the physics to them without an interpreter or translation of some kind.

Yet... the scientific principles would be the same for both.

Perhaps if we turned it around & we went to them, we would not understand the math of their world & their gravity would be different than ours. We understand the scientific principle of gravity but we would not understand the math they use to represent their gravity.

Best Wishes.
 
Our math is the language that we use to communicate the physics to each other.

The math is not the same thing as the language. The language is used to represent the math, and math is not the same thing as physics.

For example, I can represent a certain mathematical equation in both of the following ways:

Two plus three equals five.

2+3=5.

Here I've represented a particular mathematical equation in two different ways symbolically. The math is the abstract equation, not the language I used to represent or express the equation. And that equation is not physics, it's math. We can represent principles of physics mathematically, but that does not mean that math and physics are the same thing.

Confusing the language with what it represents is like saying the word "elephant" is an elephant.
 
The math is not the same thing as the language. The language is used to represent the math, and math is not the same thing as physics.

For example, I can represent a certain mathematical equation in both of the following ways:

Two plus three equals five.

2+3=5.

Here I've represented a particular mathematical equation in two different ways symbolically. The math is the abstract equation, not the language I used to represent or express the equation. And that equation is not physics, it's math. We can represent principles of physics mathematically, but that does not mean that math and physics are the same thing.

Confusing the language with what it represents is like saying the word "elephant" is an elephant.

Okay, lets back up a step or two to be clear.

Are you saying that math is a science that is natural & real & that we, mankind, had nothing to do with it's formation?

Thanks in advance.
 
Okay, lets back up a step or two to be clear.

Are you saying that math is a science that is natural & real & that we, mankind, had nothing to do with it's formation?

Thanks in advance.

I don't typically think of mathematics as a science, since it's certainly not an empirical field, but I'm not sure how much hinges philosophically on whether or not we think of math as a science or not as long as we understand the difference between empirical hypotheses and mathematical hypotheses (for example, in the way that we test them).

I think mathematical truths are better understood as having been discovered by us than as having been invented by us. We didn't simply stipulate that 2+3=5, I think we discovered that 2+3=5, to use a simple example.

We need language in order to express mathematical truths, but the mathematical truths themselves are not mere semantic stipulations, like "All bachelors are unmarried" would be.

Here's the entry in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy on the philosophy of mathematics, if you're interested:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/philosophy-mathematics/
 
I don't typically think of mathematics as a science, since it's certainly not an empirical field, but I'm not sure how much hinges philosophically on whether or not we think of math as a science or not as long as we understand the difference between empirical hypotheses and mathematical hypotheses (for example, in the way that we test them).

I think mathematical truths are better understood as having been discovered by us than as having been invented by us. We didn't simply stipulate that 2+3=5, I think we discovered that 2+3=5, to use a simple example.

We need language in order to express mathematical truths, but the mathematical truths themselves are not mere semantic stipulations, like "All bachelors are unmarried" would be.

Here's the entry in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy on the philosophy of mathematics, if you're interested:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/philosophy-mathematics/


The initial assertion was that math is man made & not a natural 'real' 'entity' as are the other sciences & that we use math as a means of explaining the other 'real' sciences. Now we are to a point of philosophy regarding math.

Nothing I have seen has convinced me that I am incorrect.

God's math may be present in everything & that was another point that I made.

So... it's quite possible that we have invented our math & also are discovering God's Math or Natural Math & they may certainly intersect.

I think the following is a fair & more simple explanation & gives a reasonable indication that while it is not beyond reproach I think rational logic indicates we've formulated OUR math as we discover matters that OUR math can not prove.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/math-concepts/math4.htm

Best Wishes.
 
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Who determines just what is rational? You? Max? Someone else? Therein lies the problem. What is perfectly rational to one is irrational to another. Many of the very rich in the world believe that the rest of us are irrational and need to be controlled by them.

Many are actually irrational in their beliefs according to many others. What you are referring to I don't think is really being rational, but just fitting in the majority. Two very different things.

I watched all of that video I linked to. The flat-earthers do make some good points. However, those points are easily refuted with knowledge. It was interesting though, how they would refute the normal knowledge with "knowledge" of their own. Many times, it would leave one at first wondering which knowledge was actually correct.

So, I can see where they are coming from with the flat-earth theories, but I do not agree with them.


Yes it is me.
 
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