Is Schmidt's and charlie 626 Legit

Dan Harriman

One of the best in 14.1
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As I stated in the beginning of this thread - steak 'n' shake say's "if it's out in sight - it must be right" they have great steak burgers, Charlie Rich said "No one knows what goes on behind closed doors" (great song) The bca and it's coconspirators choose to keep the unedited 626 footage behind closed doors - hidden from the public. I would not consume their burgers - could be mad cow disease or something similar in their product.
 
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lfigueroa

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We are not "investing in a business". We are simply believing those who have seen the numbers. Not a big deal. And Lou does not play "champion caliber" pool. You're being silly.

Pretty sure he was talking about my tournament deportment as opposed to my play: “I have seen Lou compete in One Pocket and 14.1 - he can play - and is a gentleman to compete against - Champion caliber.”

I try to dress like I have a home to go to at night and behave with some decorum when I’m playing for cash or in a tournament. I probably play better that most guys here, so I think he’s right when he says I can play.

A pro/champion, no. A gentleman, most days : -)

Lou Figueroa
 

marek

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I have seen Lou compete in One Pocket and 14.1 - he can play - and is a gentleman to compete against - Champion caliber - Yes. I know nothin bout fargo ratings - except that Tony Fargo CAN Bank. I answered yer question - so would u be kind enough to answer the same question I posed to cuedup who has so far - chosen to decline any effort to answer (did not surprise me). SO here it is - Would you believe' or invest' in a business that was lookin to sell - but would NOT show you the revenue books - upon request? IMHO - to believe in something or someone - is a form of an investment - is it not? The bca/csi/nytimes - say's there is a new record of 626 in 14.1 - caught in it;s entirety - on camera - should all God's people just trust what bca is selling - without first seeing their books i.e. unedited video? These are pertinent question - very relevant to the topic at hand. I am interested in purchasing the 626 story as verbatim - am I wrong to ask the bca 4 a gander at their numbers before - actually believing or buying what bca/nytimes is offering foe sale to us honest tax paying citizens? Also what does marek stand for - just another enquiring mind here - located in the middle of Map.
Well thats an interesting question you brought up. But the analogy is not exactly the same,i will explain my view. What i would do is to ask IRS if that company is in good standing with them and if that company was checked by them recently aka BCA in regards to JS's run. And given the fact that quite a number of people with some very accomplished players/coaches have seen the vid I dont have a reason NOT to believe the feat was not done. I know you object that the vid has been edited,to my knowledge there is a certain part of the vid played at 2x speed at JS's shows while BCA officers have seen the original footage unedited. I understand that JS may have slowed down his play considerably because of the nerves when he was closing in on WM's record run so for that reason it may be better to speed up the vid at his shows. As I myself work with my own pool vids I can tell you that vid played at 2x speed is still very watchable as far as proceedings at the table go,you can still recognize fauls,pots,whatever.
Back to your analogy - while not showing the books to a potential investor would need a VERY thorough explanation and it still may look fishy JS's situation is quite different in that regard - it takes literally one idiot who makes a copy of the vid with the run for JS to lose any chance to further monetize his run,that is unfortunate reality of todays world. So JS is basically forced to keep the vid in private except for his shows if he doesnt want to lose the ability to handle the vid the way he wants. Could the vid be a forgery? Yes,it is technically possible to a certain extent and it doesnt need to be 2x sped up for that. But to my knowledge there were several people (10+) present for the entirety of the run,also JS proved above any doubt that he was able to run crazy numbers (several documented 400+ runs),even you Danny cant deny that + BCA had an access to unedited run and they said the run was ok. It reminds me of Apollo 11 landing on the moon - there are many people who say the landing didnt happen but ghe fact is that such conspiracy would take about 200k people (yes,really about 200k) to keep their mouth shut about the details - which is impossible in the first place. Yes,JS's run is not a moon landing but you get my idea.
So in the end if I look at the whole picture I dont see the reason for JS to risk his reputation by forging the vid if he was capable to break the record,thats my views on all this. I hope that answers your question Danny. I am pretty much sure you will not agree with my point of view but thats how I sincerelly see the whole situation..
 

lfigueroa

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People run scams all the time, often with great risk — I think Bernie Madoff did it for a number of years to the tune of 60+ billion dollars.

So the: why would he risk.... doesn’t carry much weight with me, particularly when it is involving pool players.

Lou Figueroa
just sayin’
 

WildWing

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People run scams all the time, often with great risk — I think Bernie Madoff did it for a number of years to the tune of 60+ billion dollars.

So the: why would he risk.... doesn’t carry much weight with me, particularly when it is involving pool players.

Lou Figueroa
just sayin’
Bernie had two things going on. One, a ponzi scheme. That's easy to figure out. But it was also an affinity scheme. He scammed a lot of Jewish people. They said, He's one of us... Yep.

On this thread, it's like a car crash in slow motion. It's gross, but you can't stop watching.
 

marek

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People run scams all the time, often with great risk — I think Bernie Madoff did it for a number of years to the tune of 60+ billion dollars.

So the: why would he risk.... doesn’t carry much weight with me, particularly when it is involving pool players.

Lou Figueroa
just sayin’
Well in the end it is you and few others here saying JS's run was a scam...without any proof (even IF you were right) it is simply a defamation. Good luck with that approach😐 JS provided his proof (unedited vid of the run) to the only authority in USA that could proclaim JS's run a new record which it did. Btw i am not sure you noticed that there were several (10+) people who were present during the whole record run..? Because saying the run was a fraud means that you are saying those people were lying as well. General disregard for the law here on this forum has always amazed me but this thread is really a cherry on the top. I can see now that trying to return back here was silly on my part, nothing good comes from here anymore... :(
 

gerryf

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Well in the end it is you and few others here saying JS's run was a scam...without any proof (even IF you were right) it is simply a defamation. Good luck with that approach😐 JS provided his proof (unedited vid of the run) to the only authority in USA that could proclaim JS's run a new record which it did. Btw i am not sure you noticed that there were several (10+) people who were present during the whole record run..? Because saying the run was a fraud means that you are saying those people were lying as well. General disregard for the law here on this forum has always amazed me but this thread is really a cherry on the top. I can see now that trying to return back here was silly on my part, nothing good comes from here anymore... :(
Exactly. Danny and his tribe are alleging that Schmidt, the room owner, the people who attended the run, the BCA, Predator, and maybe Bob Jewett, Mark Wilson, Nick Varner, and others who have reviewed the run., are all in on it.

The run is accepted by all the people who matter.

Danny, Lou, and Danny's Bowel Movement are just talking. They haven't done anything. They haven't contacted the BCA or John Schmidt or Predator or any of the people who have a role They're just making allegations without any evidence. Some of the allegations are delusional. For some reason, they seem to feel that they should be consulted or that they're entitled to a role here, simply because they're fans of Willie Mosconi. I guess their feelings are hurt.

I think Willie would be embarrassed.

If they simply felt that they'd "believe it when they see it", that's fair. But to allege all kinds of nefarious motives to the people who were involved in setting a new high-run record is kind of sad.
 

logical

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Exactly. Danny and his tribe are alleging that Schmidt, the room owner, the people who attended the run, the BCA, Predator, and maybe Bob Jewett, Mark Wilson, Nick Varner, and others who have reviewed the run., are all in on it.

The run is accepted by all the people who matter.

Danny, Lou, and Danny's Bowel Movement are just talking. They haven't done anything. They haven't contacted the BCA or John Schmidt or Predator or any of the people who have a role They're just making allegations without any evidence. Some of the allegations are delusional. For some reason, they seem to feel that they should be consulted or that they're entitled to a role here, simply because they're fans of Willie Mosconi. I guess their feelings are hurt.

I think Willie would be embarrassed.

If they simply felt that they'd "believe it when they see it", that's fair. But to allege all kinds of nefarious motives to the people who were involved in setting a new high-run record is kind of sad.
That's the biggest flaw with most conspiracy theories...the sheer number of people required who all have to magically be perfectly synchronized, completely discrete even to spouses and during moments of weakness and drunkenness, and supremely motivated. It's simply not feasible even if we were to believe it was their intent.

Pretty amazing that a man can toss a cube of chalking in a guy's general direction and as a result control the guy's head for life.

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Patrick Johnson

Fish of the Day
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If they simply felt that they'd "believe it when they see it", that's fair. But to allege all kinds of nefarious motives to the people who were involved in setting a new high-run record is kind of sad.
At least Danny (finally) gets some attention this way...

By the way, has his (alleged) highest run been certified?

pj
chgo
 

lfigueroa

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Bernie had two things going on. One, a ponzi scheme. That's easy to figure out. But it was also an affinity scheme. He scammed a lot of Jewish people. They said, He's one of us... Yep.

On this thread, it's like a car crash in slow motion. It's gross, but you can't stop watching.

Well, I don't know about all that but the fact is that the world is full of people who choose to run scams that have a big downside if discovered -- so saying something could not be a scam because there's a downside is pretty silly.

Lou Figueroa
 

lfigueroa

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Well in the end it is you and few others here saying JS's run was a scam...without any proof (even IF you were right) it is simply a defamation. Good luck with that approach😐 JS provided his proof (unedited vid of the run) to the only authority in USA that could proclaim JS's run a new record which it did. Btw i am not sure you noticed that there were several (10+) people who were present during the whole record run..? Because saying the run was a fraud means that you are saying those people were lying as well. General disregard for the law here on this forum has always amazed me but this thread is really a cherry on the top. I can see now that trying to return back here was silly on my part, nothing good comes from here anymore... :(

When have I said JS' run was a scam?

Lou Figueroa
 

lfigueroa

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Exactly. Danny and his tribe are alleging that Schmidt, the room owner, the people who attended the run, the BCA, Predator, and maybe Bob Jewett, Mark Wilson, Nick Varner, and others who have reviewed the run., are all in on it.

The run is accepted by all the people who matter.

Danny, Lou, and Danny's Bowel Movement are just talking. They haven't done anything. They haven't contacted the BCA or John Schmidt or Predator or any of the people who have a role They're just making allegations without any evidence. Some of the allegations are delusional. For some reason, they seem to feel that they should be consulted or that they're entitled to a role here, simply because they're fans of Willie Mosconi. I guess their feelings are hurt.

I think Willie would be embarrassed.

If they simply felt that they'd "believe it when they see it", that's fair. But to allege all kinds of nefarious motives to the people who were involved in setting a new high-run record is kind of sad.

You seem to be implying that I am a member of a group saying there's some sort of scam going on on this -- where did I say that?

Lou Figueroa
get with marek to see
if you two can come up
with something
 

justadub

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You seem to be implying that I am a member of a group saying there's some sort of scam going on on this -- where did I say that?

Lou Figueroa
get with marek to see
if you two can come up
with something
I guess we're playing with words then, 182 pages later (depending on your settings, heh). You claim that you want to see unedited (or un-slowed down) footage in order to believe it. And that the two guys from the BCA who viewed it aren't necessarily credible, yet they certified the record as far as the BCA is concerned.

What does that infer, beyond a possible scam?
 

logical

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You seem to be implying that I am a member of a group saying there's some sort of scam going on on this -- where did I say that?

Lou Figueroa
get with marek to see
if you two can come up
with something
Granted..you clearly have maintained plausible deniability, but lay down with dogs and you get fleas.

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lfigueroa

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I guess we're playing with words then, 182 pages later (depending on your settings, heh). You claim that you want to see unedited (or un-slowed down) footage in order to believe it. And that the two guys from the BCA who viewed it aren't necessarily credible, yet they certified the record as far as the BCA is concerned.

What does that infer, beyond a possible scam?

It infers nothing more than the Sagan Maxim: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Maybe he did it, but then again, maybe he didn't.

Lou Figueroa
open minded
 

lfigueroa

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Granted..you clearly have maintained plausible deniability, but lay down with dogs and you get fleas.

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I believe the proverb goes: if you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas, but i digress.

I don't own a dog and the only pests I see around here are the few guys who -- repeatedly -- tend to make false accusations.

Lou Figueroa
 

Welder84

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It infers nothing more than the Sagan Maxim: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Maybe he did it, but then again, maybe he didn't.

Lou Figueroa
open minded
It infers nothing more than the Sagan Maxim: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Maybe he did it, but then again, maybe he didn't.

Lou Figueroa
open minded

And maybe you have to much time on your hands? And maybe you and Danny are alone on a deserted island with nothing better to do... 😂
 

lfigueroa

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And maybe you have to much time on your hands? And maybe you and Danny are alone on a deserted island with nothing better to do... 😂

What a brilliant, insightful, thoughtful analysis.

I’m sure the guys from Ted Talks will be along momentarily to sign you up.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Welder84

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What a brilliant, insightful, thoughtful analysis.

Im sure the guys from Ted Talks will be along momentarily to sign you up.

Lou Figueroa

What a brilliant, insightful, thoughtful analysis.

Im sure the guys from Ted Talks will be along momentarily to sign you up.

Lou Figueroa

So in this episode of Ted Talks we discuss...

  • How to deal with reality and admit when you are wrong.

Today or guest speaker (Lou Figueroa) admits that for the last several months he could not admit the truth. Will this man finally come to grips with reality or will he keep repeating his own version of the truth? Tune in daily!
 

lfigueroa

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So in this episode of Ted Talks we discuss...

  • How to deal with reality and admit when you are wrong.

Today or guest speaker (Lou Figueroa) admits that for the last several months he could not admit the truth. Will this man finally come to grips with reality or will he keep repeating his own version of the truth? Tune in daily!

wow, more brilliant insight.

The only problem is that I haven’t proposed any version of the truth — I’ve just maintained an open mind.

Given that and your inability to follow the discussion, if I were you I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on that call from Ted Talks, lol.

Lou Figueroa
 
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