Is Schmidt's and charlie 626 Legit

trob

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trob - is certainly not a Prominent Pro'. A kid with his finger' stuck in Willie Mosconi - cookie jar - Yes. May have to get the ruler out for trob if he continues to wave his little shakey' hand anywhere near the Official Mosconi 526 cookie jar. Whap.
Wow. Your an idiot and not worth anyone’s time. The new record is 626 no matter how much it hurts willie mosconi ass kissers like you. I never said I was a prominent pro but people who are and trusted stewards of the game have seen it and attested to it being legitimate Records are made to be broken. His has been. Your going to have to move ion with your life now. 😂😂 pathetic
 

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It has been around 2 years(?!) since that run happened! Has it become public yet for someone to see it, or it stays hidden?
Nope. They missed the hype money. When it happened if they would have released a copy within a couple months they could have did slightly less then OK money wise... now they wont make shit off it.

I wouldnt go to a viewing if my regular room had one. Would I buy a copy for myself? Absolutely, and watch it on my own time. I'm not a 14.1 fan, but I respect the ability to do what he did. That's incredible... but not incredible enough for me to fall asleep watching it at the poolhall... I'd much rather fall asleep watching it at home.
 

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Nope. They missed the hype money. When it happened if they would have released a copy within a couple months they could have did slightly less then OK money wise... now they wont make shit off it.

I wouldnt go to a viewing if my regular room had one. Would I buy a copy for myself? Absolutely, and watch it on my own time. I'm not a 14.1 fan, but I respect the ability to do what he did. That's incredible... but not incredible enough for me to fall asleep watching it at the poolhall... I'd much rather fall asleep watching it at home.
I don't think there would be a lot of money in selling the DVD. I spoke to a vendor in Vegas, and he said he hadn't sold a DVD in the entire week. And it wouldn't take long before someone who had bought the DVD started posting it online.

The viewing had good reviews all around, and those viewers recommended that everyone go if given a chance. I know i will go to one as soon as i can. I wouldn't be buying a DVD of the run though, just like i don't buy DVD's of championships or other tournaments. Youtube has enough for me to see right now for free.

Right now, Predator's Youtube channel has John Schmidt's 434. Someday they may have his 626.
 

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It really is unfortunate when the only way a property like 626 vid can be protected )as intellectual property) is by withholding it.

If it had any real tangible value, it would be on an established subscriber-based platform though. Not from a dudes garage
 

Dan Harriman

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Wow. Your an idiot and not worth anyone’s time. The new record is 626 no matter how much it hurts willie mosconi ass kissers like you. I never said I was a prominent pro but people who are and trusted stewards of the game have seen it and attested to it being legitimate Records are made to be broken. His has been. Your going to have to move ion with your life now. 😂😂 pathetic
Sorry u fell' that way, No record has been broken of Willie's - that will be yer trob foe a while it would seem. u will now - cease - with the name calling trob i.e. grow up. I am sorry that yer mommy and daddy did not give u enough attention - when u were younger. :-(
 
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Like Flat Earth Theory.
I notice u chose to avoid my question, I answered yer questions. So - I will ask u again, do you think the Smithsonian will recognize the bca 626 Claim/recommendation as a New World Record? If yer going to continue in the discussion - I would appreciate an answer. u seem like one of those types who like to pretend our quest to see the unedited footage the bca 'claims' to have - is some sort of conspiracy theory (familiar narrative from hollywood cancel culture). It is not, just a simple request at attaining verified proof - makes hollywood nervous - yes. So again - since u seem to have trouble answering questions (as u did before) do u think the Smithsonian will recognize the j.s./bca Claim as a new World Record? Does this business example seem unnecessary as well?
 
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Dan Harriman

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I'm just amazed at all the bickering over something that only a handful of people care about.
this is an attempt at downplaying Mosconi's accomplishment, this being the longest running thread on az - so again the same familiar 'downplay narrative'. Phony reaffirmations from peanut gallery - designed to downplay the skepticism - will be noticed. Yer painfully normal cancel culture tactics - will be laughed at. After waiting two years to see unedited proof - there are only a 'handful of people' who would believe in the 626 mystery science theater gig. U should proby pm j.s. on yo facebook - and inform him yer doing yer best to downplay the skepticism surrounding his and the bca's claim on az billiards forum, he is probly lookin for any hand out he can get.
 
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Sorry u fell' that way, No record has been broken of Willie's - that will be yer trob foe a while it would seem. u will now - cease - with the name calling trob i.e. grow up. I am sorry that yer mommy and daddy did not give u enough attention - when u were younger. :-(
But John broke it... you must not have heard about that...lololol
 

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It really is unfortunate when the only way a property like 626 vid can be protected )as intellectual property) is by withholding it.

If it had any real tangible value, it would be on an established subscriber-based platform though. Not from a dudes garage
There is hardly any value to a subscriber-access when the content can be downloaded or recorded through a screen-recorder.

The tangible value now is in the experience that people can have with the person who did it. John is also a US Open winner.

Many players make a living from such exhibitions and there are plenty of people alive and willing to spend 50/100$ for a special experience. I have seen people pay a couple hundred to be closer to Efren and play a race to three.

With the right marketing I can see John and his team being able to make decent money from this for years to come.
 

Dan Harriman

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It is my humble opinion that those who show up for any of the bca chopped 626 footage theater shows - are either not true 14.1 aficionados - or incredibly inept. It is imperative to know the difference between a 'recommendation' and 'extraordinary evidence' - as poor quality evidence - can lead to recommendations that are NOT in the honest tax paying citizens - best interest - and certainly not based off factual information. When csi/bca hides the 'sufficient' evidence (as cowards will do) i.e. unedited video (they claim to have) all were left with is inconclusive rebuttals between the cancel culture supporters and Honest 14.1 students/Sports Historians. This is a very sad state of affairs for those who are tryin to pass off a chopped video as verifiable evidence, j.s./csi/c.w. must have been in a purty desperate position to try and pull off the stunt they are currently TRYING to sell to both semi public. If you want to see the whole run of 626 in it's entirety and unedited - u have been waiting over two years. So again many here on az have offered good $ for their own signed copy of this grandiose claim - after two years - continue to wait.
Should the bca be allowed to use Mosconi's name and then not provide any unedited proof to the 14.1 aficionados - that Willies World Record - has in fact been surpassed? I say NO, Mosconi's World Record of 526 balls pocketed - is not for sale or rent - to the pitiful hollywood cancel culture. This is the end for csi Cue Sports International and also for charlie williams 14.1 hall of famer banquet - as it should be. Trying to steal Sports History Records - is serious business - I say they are just scavengers tryin to make a quick buck on a cheap theater show/publicity stunt. Unless they DO offer what ever unedited footage they have for sale to Open Public - in disc form - this may never happen - as it is tough to sell - what they don't have. All of the above demonstrates why Mosconi's 526 is recognized from the Smithsonian Institute and the j.s./c.w./bca/csi claim - is not.
 
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It is my humble opinion that those who show up for any of the bca chopped 626 footage theater show - are either not true 14.1 aficionados - or incredibly inept.
Why? Do you believe it better to form opinions about things by ignoring evidence?

That would actually explain quite a bit about you...
 

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There is hardly any value to a subscriber-access when the content can be downloaded or recorded through a screen-recorder.

The tangible value now is in the experience that people can have with the person who did it. John is also a US Open winner.

Many players make a living from such exhibitions and there are plenty of people alive and willing to spend 50/100$ for a special experience. I have seen people pay a couple hundred to be closer to Efren and play a race to three.

With the right marketing I can see John and his team being able to make decent money from this for years to come.
I was referring to the value to the host, not the consumer.

Netflix/ Amazon, etc...would disagree that there isn't money in paid access to video content

Of course, the perceived income of offering 626 in a ppv/ subscription setting approaches $0...so we are where we are, as is Mr. 626.
 

Dan Harriman

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It has been around 2 years(?!) since that run happened! Has it become public yet for someone to see it, or it stays hidden?
If yer referring to "it" as unedited footage for sale to Open Public - that answer is - No. They do have a chopped footage theater reel, as for Real time game footage and unedited - I guarantee u they are hiding that - fear and concealment seem to correlate. Yes they (bca) have been hiding that "it" for two years, hoping that the skepticism and or this thread - would go away. Just as I told Brady B. here on az - he owed me $2,000 for a tournament - that he had promoted - the problem won't go away - he finally had to admit the truth and pay me what he owed. I will tell the bca corrupt record keepers - this too will not go away. Willie Mosconi's 526 stands. Does anyone wonder why the Smithsonian does not recognize the 626 theater show as Legit? I have an answer - unlike the nytimes - the Smithsonian Institute - requires "Extraordinary Evidence" before supporting any claim. See y'all next week, as Fatboy said I will check in to see if the bca have produced any REAL evidence once a week - to support the claim they are trying to have the Open Public Adopt as verifiable evidence. The bca owes American Public - the truth. Oh Mark Griffin (csi) Dan Harriman said Harry' :) up with the unedited tape of yer grandiose claim - if there is any real footage - I seriously doubt there is other than yer little phony 626 theater prop.
 
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I was referring to the value to the host, not the consumer.

Netflix/ Amazon, etc...would disagree that there isn't money in paid access to video content

Of course, the perceived income of offering 626 in a ppv/ subscription setting approaches $0...so we are where we are, as is Mr. 626.
Yes but when the content is severely limited then the value is going to be low. Netflix and other major digital rights holders have the resources to go after infringers. Small time producers do not.

John could put up PPV access tomorrow and the next day someone else might start posting it in places that John can't possibly have it taken down.

All that said, maybe John should make it into an NFT and then once someone buys it he can release it to the public at large. Seems like the way to monetize such a video for crazy amounts these days.
 

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If yer referring to "it" as unedited footage for sale to Open Public - that answer is - No. They do have a chopped footage theater reel, as for Real time game footage and unedited - I guarantee u they are hiding that - fear and concealment seem to correlate. Yes they (bca) have been hiding that "it" for two years, hoping that the skepticism and or this thread - would go away. Just as I told Brady B. here on az - he owed me $2,000 for a tournament - that he had promoted - the problem won't go away - he finally had to admit the truth and pay me what he owed. I will tell the bca corrupt record keepers - this too will not go away. Willie Mosconi's 526 stands. Does anyone wonder why the Smithsonian does not recognize the 626 theater show as Legit? I have an answer - unlike the nytimes - the Smithsonian Institute - requires "Extraordinary Evidence" before supporting any claim. See y'all next week, as Fatboy said I will check in to see if the bca have produced any REAL evidence once a week - to support the claim they are trying to have the Open Public Adopt as verifiable evidence. The bca owes American Public - the truth. Oh Mark Griffin - Dan Harriman said Harry' :) up with the unedited tape of yer grandiose claim - if there is any real footage - I seriously doubt there is other than yer little phony 626 theater prop.
Can you please show us where the Smithsonian has rejected John Schmidt's world record? You seem to have some inside information on how the Smithsonian operates and some idea that they are some sort of official keeper of sports records.

I will bet $50,000 on John Schmidt if you all play a 1000 point race. All of your accusations aside the fact remains that John is a far superior straight pool player between you both. Play that block and he might beat Mosconi's record again while beating you and you can witness it from your chair.
 

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It is my humble opinion that those who show up for any of the bca chopped 626 footage theater shows - are either not true 14.1 aficionados - or incredibly inept.
This doesn't sound humble at all. And honestly anyone who thinks that Bob Jewett isn't a true 14.1 aficionado doesn't know what that word means. I am fairly sure that Bob would easily beat you mercilessly in 14.1 trivia.
 

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Yes but when the content is severely limited then the value is going to be low. Netflix and other major digital rights holders have the resources to go after infringers. Small time producers do not.

John could put up PPV access tomorrow and the next day someone else might start posting it in places that John can't possibly have it taken down.

All that said, maybe John should make it into an NFT and then once someone buys it he can release it to the public at large. Seems like the way to monetize such a video for crazy amounts these days.
I'm not sure how you got so many words out of that.

There's no money in the vid and those who have the resources to get a sustainable income stream out of it know the juice ain't worth the squeeze.
 

gerryf

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Danny Harriman, June 11 2021: If yer referring to "it" as unedited footage for sale to Open Public - that answer is - No. They do have a chopped footage theater reel, as for Real time game footage and unedited - I guarantee u they are hiding that - fear and concealment seem to correlate. Yes they (bca) have been hiding that "it" for two years, hoping that the skepticism and or this thread - would go away. Just as I told Brady B. here on az - he owed me $2,000 for a tournament - that he had promoted - the problem won't go away - he finally had to admit the truth and pay me what he owed. I will tell the bca corrupt record keepers - this too will not go away. Willie Mosconi's 526 stands. Does anyone wonder why the Smithsonian does not recognize the 626 theater show as Legit? I have an answer - unlike the nytimes - the Smithsonian Institute - requires "Extraordinary Evidence" before supporting any claim. See y'all next week, as Fatboy said I will check in to see if the bca have produced any REAL evidence once a week - to support the claim they are trying to have the Open Public Adopt as verifiable evidence. The bca owes American Public - the truth. Oh Mark Griffin - Dan Harriman said Harry' :) up with the unedited tape of yer grandiose claim - if there is any real footage - I seriously doubt there is other than yer little phony 626 theater prop.

Ha! Ha! Danny! You keep repeating the same stuff over and over again, then go back and delete your posts, then come back and repeat the same stuff over and over again! When i did a search, over 99% of your posts in the past three years were complaining about John Schmidt.

You don't seem to understand that you're an insignificant force in the billiard world. You just complain and talk, talk and complain. A lot of people have lost respect for you because of your incessant rambling and inchorent arguments. There are other people out there who actually do stuff for billiards, like Bob Jewitt, Mark Wilson, Nick Varner, Johnny Archer, Freddie Agnir.

Whining about your poor lot in life isn't going to make you respected. Alleging corruption and fraud in all directions just makes you look more pathetic. Ask your friends.

You should try and get a life.
 
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