Is the 7 and out good weight playing a monster player?

[Gmanpoke]

A friend of mine once had a bet with Keith McCready that if Keith didn't break and run out my friend got ten dollars. If Keith broke and ran out my friend paid Keith ten dollars. Playing with the big cue ball on a bar-box, after three hours my friend was up twenty dollars, but feeling kinda nervous. "I know Keith's not really trying, 'cause the bet's not high enough." he explained to me.

I'd try to get something and the break instead...

Chester's in OKC has a a GC with 4 inch pockets very tough table. Anyway, right before Derby, a local guy bet Chip Compton a dime he could not break and run. Chip was not warmed up and only gets one try. Now that's gambling boys, on both sides of the ledger.

Steven

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

Someone offers you the 7 and out and you think it is a good spot, is it really a good spot playing a giant killer of a player??? Nine ball is the game we are talking about! Winner breaks. Thanks.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

Obviously it depends on how good you are. But assuming you're a mere mortal, it's not that strong a game for you. By monster, I'm thinking in terms of world class, and someone who's name we would all know as just such a player.

Look at it this way - can you beat the ghost most of the time with that spot? The answer has to be yes because playing against a monster is an even tougher game.

1) You don't get the breaks and BIH.
2) You don't get to break dry.
3) You are probably going to lose just about every game you let him to the table, one way or the other, just like with the ghost.

So, can you beat the ghost with this spot more than 50% of the time even with all the breaks, but no BIH and you have to make a ball on the break?

If the answer is still yes - now you also have to overcome the fact that not only are you not getting the breaks, but depending on the monster's B&R percentage you are probably giving up 1-2 games on the wire for every 5 games you're racing to because you lose without ever getting to the table. At least with the ghost you have a chance to win every game. It's totally plausible you are giving up 3 games on the wire in a race to 10.

 

[Masayoshi]

Depends on what kind of monster. If you are talking about a local pro or strong shortstop, its probably more than enough. I don't think he would like it at all, in fact. As far as 'real' world class pros go, after seeing a very well known shortstop/semi-pro get heisted by Alcano with the 6 out, no, its not enough.

 

[Celtic]

You might be surprised to find out that you can go out to a half tip off center with no chalk fairly easily and that this allows for position play that you might assume is not possible without chalk.

When he says "no chalk" I am assuming that means you take the guys tip, you wet your thumb, and you remove all of the chalk from the tip. The tip can dry, but it is 100% chalk free.

IMO that is a massive spot and you are not going to far past center ball hits. Yes you "can" do alot with center ball and weight control, technically that is the best way to play even when you ARE using chalk for the most part. But rotational pool often requires you to do something with the cueball and a guy who can normally string racks using chalk is likely not going to be doing it anymore when his tip is 100% cleaned and totally chalk free.

I scoff at a 7-out spot from a top pro winner breaks, they would kill me. I would actually strongly consider playing a top pro on a 9-foot in rotation pool if they are using no chalk with a normal tip (I imagine more then a few players have worked out some pretty interesting tips that minimize the need for chalk just for a gaff game like this). The whole shape game gets messed up but so does alot of the safe game, the kicking game, alot of banks become alot harder without the spin. I would love to see how a top pro would actually deal with no chalk and the loss of all that cueball control.

 

[Lock N Load]

Very good input, Dogsplayingpool.

Obviously it depends on how good you are. But assuming you're a mere mortal, it's not that strong a game for you. By monster, I'm thinking in terms of world class, and someone who's name we would all know as just such a player.

Look at it this way - can you beat the ghost most of the time with that spot? The answer has to be yes because playing against a monster is an even tougher game.

1) You don't get the breaks and BIH.
2) You don't get to break dry.
3) You are probably going to lose just about every game you let him to the table, one way or the other, just like with the ghost.

So, can you beat the ghost with this spot more than 50% of the time even with all the breaks, but no BIH and you have to make a ball on the break?

If the answer is still yes - now you also have to overcome the fact that not only are you not getting the breaks, but depending on the monster's B&R percentage you are probably giving up 1-2 games on the wire for every 5 games you're racing to because you lose without ever getting to the table. At least with the ghost you have a chance to win every game. It's totally plausible you are giving up 3 games on the wire in a race to 10.

I like what you just said. Thanks.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[maxeypad2007]

The break here is the key honestly. Without the break you have no guarantee.

I would also push for rack your own

 

[Aten]

It all depends on how well the monster player is and how well you play?

Back when I played on the road I gave some pretty good shortstops the 7 8 wild. If I was up to speed it was usually pretty easy. But every once in a while I would get burnt.

If that happened I would go get some rest and try it again tomorrow. Usually i played better and the poorer player played worse.

Sometimes if the player was a c player they got spotted all the balls except nothing counted on the break. They usually didn't have a good shot after the break anyway. easy money.

If someone offers a spot unless you know each other well, you are probably the underdog.

good thread..........

C players can run 4 or 5 balls and play somewhat reasonable safeties though

 

[bbb]

C players can run 4 or 5 balls and play somewhat reasonable safeties though

that may be true but the monster player runs 18-27 balls (or more)in a row:grin:
and safeties you wont get out of

 

[Lock N Load]

Hey, BBB you woke him up now!!!

that may be true but the monster player runs 18-27 balls (or more)in a row:grin:
and safeties you wont get out of

You said exactly what is right! Thanks for your input!
Many Regards,
Lock n load.

 

[ImLiL_C]

Pssssst Hey Lock N Reload you got the 8

I call you reload cause that's what your gonna have do to your bankroll if we play lol.

 

[thefonz]

godzilla like?

no, you should ask for the 3,8,9.

 

[deanoc]

The 7 8 and 9 is not as strong against top players
even if you get the break,you better be a good player

it is getting harder and harder to match up with top players at 9 ball

the weight is a big spot against local players

this is why most people play one pocket,it is possible to match up with strong players
and still compete