Is the 7 and out good weight playing a monster player?

[Lock N Load]

I beg your pardon?

Wild 2 - any time he legally pockets the 2 ball he wins the game

5 on the wire - The player with 5 on the wire automatically starts with 5 games won while the other players starts at 0


Orange crush - Game balls are 5,6,7,8,9 for the guy with the orange crush


7 and out etc - game balls are 7,8,9 for this guy

The orange crush is the 5 and the break!!! only that too!!!
The 5 and out is the 5 thru 9 to win.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[easy-e]

The orange crush is the 5 and the break!!! only that too!!!
The 5 and out is the 5 thru 9 to win.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

I was thinking the same thing...

 

[Lock N Load]

Hello Richie, very good to hear from you my friend.

HEY lock,iam about a b plus player in 9ball,there was 2great players in my area (baltimore),Cigar Tom Vanover and Bobby Legg,i played both of them many times with the 5 and the breaks,i beat Bobby more then he beat me,but with Vanover,i think i won once out of about 10times,now Tom and Bobby play the same speed,but with Tom i was not as comfortable with ,i guess because ive know him so long and seen him beat so many great players,If i didnt win off of my break,i would lose every game,cause once they got control of the table i was done!

I never play my friends for money. How are you doing Richie? Thanks for your input. Sometimes when you play friends you can't put the killer instinct in your game for them. Because they are your friends!
When you become a Lock in the Lock Society you will be a good player!!!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[Lock N Load]

Hello Hu, how goes it?

"I gave them what they wanted but I didn't give them what they needed" UJ Puckett in the Sixty Minutes interview. The quote is from memory so I may be slightly misquoting but not the meaning. He also tried to say something different to sugarcoat things but finally admitted "I robbed them" talking about basically everybody!

Almost every time, a spot freely offered or easily negotiated isn't enough. Even people that think they make a fair game find that they win far more often than they lose when they are the one giving the spot. Another indication is all the stories of outrunning the nuts. Here is a clue, nobody outruns the nuts more than once in a blue moon. That is why it is called the nuts. You are supposed to have to play very close to your best game to win a fair game. A perfectly fair game comes down to which player is able to hit a higher percentage of their best game at that moment in time. If we are really honest we don't deliberately give spots that require us to play 100% to win. If we do there is a word for us, loser!

If we are honest, we make a spot where we have to play well to win but we don't intentionally make a spot where we have to play our best. That is why the better player, the one giving the spot, almost always has another gear if he needs it and really wants or needs to win the set. People who play each other over and over aren't always in bust a gut to win mode. I used to cheerfully trade small bets around with other regulars. When I needed money or was in a tournament with them I often produced another gear that they rarely ran into from me.

Oh yeah, to answer the original question: The seven out is a great spot to get if you should be giving it!

Hu

Thanks for your input.
Many Regards,
Lock N load.

 

[Gmanpoke]

Someone offers you the 7 and out and you think it is a good spot, is it really a good spot playing a giant killer of a player??? Nine ball is the game we are talking about! Winner breaks. Thanks.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

At least what I have seen and done, the 7 out is not enough against a true monster player.

 

[alstl]

Someone offers you the 7 and out and you think it is a good spot, is it really a good spot playing a giant killer of a player??? Nine ball is the game we are talking about! Winner breaks. Thanks.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

Depends on how good you are.

 

[mrjobe]

...If you want to see a strong player wince at a spot, insist on getting the breaks!

x2

I love this for weight anytime I can get it

 

[Snapshot9]

When are you guys

going to learn, a good hustler always keeps a ball and a half for himself. If he says he spot you the 7, that means he can give you the 6 and still win.

Ball spots aren't much when you hook up with a Break and runner that's good. For one, you never get to shoot your spotted balls.

Games on the wire are a lot better spot if you get the right amount.

 

[Gmanpoke]

Depends on how good you are.

At least my experience is, if someone walks up and offers you the 7 out, it really doesn't matter how good you are. If you accept, you're in a trap. They have already clocked you. But hey, I maybe wrong, give it a try. All you have to lose is your money.

Steven

 

[Snapshot9]

I want to understand

when you say 7 out, do you mean the 7,8, and 9 are game balls. Are the 7 and 8 'wild' or not? Or do you just mean the 'last 3'?

 

[Lock N Load]

OK, Snapshot9 the 7, 8, and 9 are the same for you, pay balls.

when you say 7 out, do you mean the 7,8, and 9 are game balls. Are the 7 and 8 'wild' or not? Or do you just mean the 'last 3'?

It is not the last three balls at all. If you make either of these balls on the break you win the game. If you combo any of the three balls you win! Do you have it now? If you need to know more just ask me! Thanks for your input.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[Russ Chewning]

The Wild 2 isn't much of a spot. If I were that guy though I'd take the 7/8 from you and play with no chalk and rob you.

You would probably be very surprised to see how the game is played with no chalk. I practice that way all the time and there is a LOT that you can do with just speed control and staying near center ball. You might be surprised to find out that you can go out to a half tip off center with no chalk fairly easily and that this allows for position play that you might assume is not possible without chalk.

Ayuh. I practice this way with my phenolic tipped Schon when I feel like getting back to basics.

All I have to say to the person who originally suggested a no chalk spot:

Don't get broke.

Good players can easily beat mediocre players without using chalk...

Russ

 

[JB Cases]

when you say 7 out, do you mean the 7,8, and 9 are game balls. Are the 7 and 8 'wild' or not? Or do you just mean the 'last 3'?

LOL if you gotta ask.......don't gamble.

It's a sad state when players don't automatically know that the 7 out is the wild 7,8,9

Just kidding Snapshot!!!

 

[JB Cases]

going to learn, a good hustler always keeps a ball and a half for himself. If he says he spot you the 7, that means he can give you the 6 and still win.

Ball spots aren't much when you hook up with a Break and runner that's good. For one, you never get to shoot your spotted balls.

Games on the wire are a lot better spot if you get the right amount.

Yeah, that's what the top German players thought in the early 90s too. Bustamante was giving up 6 games on the wire going to 13 for serious cheese to a long line of players who could not and would not believe that any breathing human could give up that much weight. They couldn't fade Busty laying down constant 3, 4, 5, 6, packs and playing lock up safes when he didn't run out.

Games on the wire don't mean anything either if you never get to shoot.

There is a reason that stories about getting weight and beating top notchers are very rare. It doesn't happen a lot.

I got 10:6 9:6 from Jessie Bowman for $600 a game. I was up 5 games and couldn't snap it off. I actually got scared to win. The last game I won they paid off in 10s and 20s and we took a break. They woke a backer up at 6am and he came downstairs and reloaded them with 10k.

That broke me.

I could not fade the pressure of wondering when I was going to stop playing over my head. You can't understand the weight of getting weight when you are up against a monster and you think you should win but he keeps firing at you as if the weight doesn't bother him. You think (well I think) that he is toying with you and has opened up yet, you can't quit and be nit plus you want to see how far you can go. Lots of stuff going on in the "regular" guy's head when this is going down.

About the only mediocre player I see who can fade that heat is Scooter and folks like him who make it a point to stay on top of everyone's speed and aren't afraid to gamble high. They are conditioned to know what to ask for to make the game somewhat right and can fade the bet.

Normal guys have almost no chance if they get in with a real top player. IF they win, even with a spot then they are the ones who outran the nuts.

Then you get guys like Dippy who really ask for and get the nuts and ONLY a monster player can have any shot at outrunning them. But the reward is commensurate with the risk at that point.

 

[Shakeysmooth]

At Derby City 2011, you can watch Scooter get eaten alive by Shane getting the 6-out and the breaks. And Scooter makes 2 or 3 balls on the break many times, never makes a money ball (4 of 9 balls are money) and rarely gets a good first shot after his break.
Of course, Van Boening never misses a shot or safety either (cause he's a monster).
So if you can play at Scooter speed (B to B+), you need the Orange Crush from a top pro just to win a game or two, before paying for the set.
Good luck...

 

[JB Cases]

At Derby City 2011, you can watch Scooter get eaten alive by Shane getting the 6-out and the breaks. And Scooter makes 2 or 3 balls on the break many times, never makes a money ball (4 of 9 balls are money) and rarely gets a good first shot after his break.
Of course, Van Boening never misses a shot or safety either (cause he's a monster).
So if you can play at Scooter speed (B to B+), you need the Orange Crush from a top pro just to win a game or two, before paying for the set.
Good luck...

+1 That is a PERFECT set to watch to see the difference between a decent amateur and a true monster player.

Got a link? I think it's CaliRed's on Vimeo

 

[Roll Out]

Not a good game

A friend of mine once had a bet with Keith McCready that if Keith didn't break and run out my friend got ten dollars. If Keith broke and ran out my friend paid Keith ten dollars. Playing with the big cue ball on a bar-box, after three hours my friend was up twenty dollars, but feeling kinda nervous. "I know Keith's not really trying, 'cause the bet's not high enough." he explained to me.

I'd try to get something and the break instead...

 

[8BALLDELUXE]

If it hasnt been said yet, I want the break, BIH after the break and the 5, thats fair weight to me. Some people I play can run out 3 racks or so at a time.

 

[Lock N Load]

Very good input, Shakeysmooth.

At Derby City 2011, you can watch Scooter get eaten alive by Shane getting the 6-out and the breaks. And Scooter makes 2 or 3 balls on the break many times, never makes a money ball (4 of 9 balls are money) and rarely gets a good first shot after his break.
Of course, Van Boening never misses a shot or safety either (cause he's a monster).
So if you can play at Scooter speed (B to B+), you need the Orange Crush from a top pro just to win a game or two, before paying for the set.
Good luck...

That proves a point for sure!! Thanks for your post!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[Celtic]

I used to play a guy here in Calgary cheap sets in my younger years getting the 7 out, winner breaks. I was a decent player back then, able to run a rack or two with semi regularity on a 4.5 cut 9-foot. He was probably somewhere in the lower top ten in Canada at the time.

It was not even close, he destroyed me. We were playing very cheap $10 sets so I kept on playing for the exerience and practice but I really had no hope in races to 9 with that spot. He broke great and routinely ran 3 and 4 packs in each set. One set I lost the coin toss and was down 7-0 before I actually took my first shot.

The 7-out is not alot of weight against a top player unless there opponent is actually fairly awesome in their own right. Keep in mind what Rodney Morris was spotting Chris Bartrum in Vegas a few years ago and the fact that Bartrum is playing full out pro level pool in his own right when he warms up for those matches. For more normal non-pro players worse then Chris (almost all of us), we need alot more. The breaks are almost a requiment unless you are a shortstop/road player level.