Is there a version of 8-ball where...

saratoga is the name.

i think rodney morris tried to get it going on a tour of some sort. i've played it, it's a fun variation.
That's it! It's a damn fun game, I'd rather see pros play it than 9 ball or 8 ball to be honest.
 
Do those apply to both players, or just to handicap one?

Does one and stop make an interesting game?
It's often used to handicap a one Pocket game. I played Jimmy Reid he played me two and play safe and I robbed him. Actually I tricked him. I would use my first inning to break the balls all over the place and there was nowhere for him to play safe.

He'd make two and I'd run like six. I would take intentional fouls giving up a ball and never leave him a shot.
 
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1 and 15 in opposite side pockets was a relatively standard game at one time. I played once in a club (VFW? Elks?) where they played that way. They also played that if you pocketed the 1/15 in a wrong pocket it spotted and you continued. A skilled player could keep pocketing the 1 while getting position on whatever was required to finish the run, such as a breakout. It was sort of interesting but really a needless complication for most players. I think the club members liked it because usually both players would get most of their balls off the table while struggling with the side pocket requirement so the games would tend to be close.
 
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We used to play a version of 8 ball mixed with 9 ball rules as a hybrid practice game. There may be an official version of this out there.. I do not know.

The basics are:

After the break if you have made something you could still pick your stripes or solids choice but you had to hit the lowest numbered ball in that set first, plus have something contact a rail afterwards or it was a ball in hand foul. 8 ball of course is last for you after you finish your set. Often for us scrubs it got very safety battle oriented.
 
Where is this? Sounds like a great place for me to retire :)
It's not free they have high fees in most of those places. 6 or 7 hundred a month is common. That's on top of your mortgage, insurance, property tax and living expenses. Add to that a hoa with a board of a-holes telling you what to do.

Better to find a house that will accomadate a table.
 
It's not free they have high fees in most of those places. 6 or 7 hundred a month is common. That's on top of your mortgage, insurance, property tax and living expenses. Add to that a hoa with a board of a-holes telling you what to do.

Better to find a house that will accomadate a table.
Yes, and if it rains almost everyday for a month they send a piece of hate mail about the grass being high too.
 
It's often used to handicap a one Pocket game. I played Jimmy Reid he played me two and play safe and I robbed him. Actually I tricked him. I would use my first inning to break the balls all over the place and there was nowhere for him to play safe.

He'd make two and I'd run like six. I would take intentional fouls giving up a ball and never leave him a shot.
I love it! I think beating a top player like that is the modest version of the dream :LOL:
 
I was thinking alternate shots might be more interesting to watch. At high levels, 8-ball is just a run-out game, but slowing it down and making it more tactical could make a deeper game that encouraged the audience to think about what was going on, what they might try to do.

Without limits on the allowed responses, there'd be no apparent intellectual "algorithm" like Chess or Go. It could easily degrade into a game of moving your balls out into the open with hopes of eventually landing on the 8 ball.
 
saratoga is the name.

i think rodney morris tried to get it going on a tour of some sort. i've played it, it's a fun variation.
We would play a twist on it. You could pocket any ball but then had to hit the next highest or lowest after that to keep the sequence. For instance, I could sink the 3 ball and then the 2 ,1,7,6,5, 4, 8 or sink the 3 then the 4,5, 6,7 1, 2,8.
 
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We would play a twist on it. You could pocket any ball but then had to hit the next highest or lowest after that to keep the sequence. For instance, I could sink the 3 ball and then the 2 ,1,7,6,5, 4, 8 or sink the 3 then the 4,5, 6,7 1, 2,8.
That's a bit stiffer than just high or low. Any opinions on that?
 
8 ball with two cueballs would work.

Alternating turns. Shoot your balls in or purposely mess up the opponents balls or cue ball.
 
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Sounds like nothing but a way for the house to make more $$ on pool time.

It's also a good way to keep the good players from just running out and winning. A lot of players that want to match up but know the other guy shoots better try to add in something to the 8 ball game, bank the 8, last pocket, etc...
 
I was thinking alternate shots might be more interesting to watch. At high levels, 8-ball is just a run-out game, but slowing it down and making it more tactical could make a deeper game that encouraged the audience to think about what was going on, what they might try to do.

I think TV, by speeding pool up, stripped it of intricacy, nuance, and interest. Even sense of conflict - there's not much visible battle between the players when one doesn't even get to the table.

On the other hand, 1 and 15 in the sides (Alabama?) and rotation 8-ball sound good too.

So you take one shot, sit, other guy takes one shot, sits, and so on?

No, sounds boring and slow, worse than one pocket. I guess if someone was an immortal and needed to stretch some time between this century and the next they would play this.

For seeing both players at the table the alternate break rule works.
 
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I've played 8 ball with alternating shots by partners. I thought it was called Scotch Doubles.

That's pretty normal doubles rules but not at all what this was about, this is about taking a shot then having the opponent take one.
Playing doubles when one player shoots till they miss is not really doubles, just two separate singles matches on the same table. Especially if the partners are not equal in skill, soon as the higher level player is up they can run out, when the weaker player is up they miss. The point of doubles is to make the skill blend so the better player has to play simple shot and position for the weaker player.
 

Is there a version of 8-ball where...​

... playing between the pinks is done (played)?

yep, pinks are boundary balls establishing the play area to pot the legal point(s) (object balls).
also, wuts' great, you can push out on pink any time when out of play, that is, for the incoming player only because the previous player runout just went OB creating the end of its inning.
pinks are always in play, if potted by smarts or not re-spot on the traditional pink location before play resumes, for either side.
 
That's pretty normal doubles rules but not at all what this was about, this is about taking a shot then having the opponent take one.
Playing doubles when one player shoots till they miss is not really doubles, just two separate singles matches on the same table. Especially if the partners are not equal in skill, soon as the higher level player is up they can run out, when the weaker player is up they miss. The point of doubles is to make the skill blend so the better player has to play simple shot and position for the weaker player.
How is that not really doubles? I've played a lot of doubles matches where you shoot till you miss. Scotch doubles is definitely more popular these days, but to say it's not really doubles is kinda odd. I feel that scotch is better for tournaments, but for gambling, regular doubles is awesome (especially if everyone is good).
 
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