Is this cue considered a wrapless cue?

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NateSchoepf

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I have 2 cues in the picture, the Kevin Varney, and the Mike Johnson/Jensen cue(purple heart) I consider both of them a wrapless cue, not a sneaky pete, they both have four points with a wrapless handle area. I guess what I am asking is if these are considered wrapless or sneaky pete/hustler cues? the cues are the first cue on the right and the last cue, (the two outside cues)

http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/...urrent=wrapless-sneaky-hustlerpoolcueco-6.jpg
 
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IMO, a "sneaky pete" or "hustler" cue is a simple 4 point 2 piece cue with no joint collars, wrap, or decorative inlays. The idea is for it to look like a bar cue. However, there a lots of cues being made that are called "sneaky petes" that have joint collars, wraps, and inlay work. Makes no sense to me but to each their own,
 
NateSchoepf said:
I have 2 cues in the picture, the Kevin Varney, and the Mike Johnson/Jensen cue(purple heart) I consider both of them a wrapless cue, not a sneaky pete, they both have four points with a wrapless handle area. I guess what I am asking is if these are considered wrapless or sneaky pete/hustler cues? the cues are the first cue on the right and the last cue, (the two outside cues)

http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/...urrent=wrapless-sneaky-hustlerpoolcueco-6.jpg
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Nate, technically they are all considered to be non-veneered 4 point full spliced wrapless cues....this keeps you outta hot water with 'sneaky pete' purists, LoL!

If it doesn't have a wrap, then it is wrapless. :)

Lisa
 
I don't know if you can tell in the pictures, but the two cues I am talking about are not full spliced cues or converted house cues, they have the forearm with the 4 points that is joined to the handle area, you can see the line where they are joined? I wonder why people say they are sneaky petes when they IMO are not even close? thanks everyone, Nate.
 
neither are sneakies

Nate,

Hard to tell for sure on the top one in your image, I thought I saw the same thing. Neither it or the bottom one are sneakies by any definition I use. Technically none are true sneakies once you add butt caps and joint collars but the two cues you are talking about get away from the basic construction of a sneaky butt; only two pieces of wood joined together with a long splice. Once you get away from that design concept I would no longer market the cue as a sneaky or even sneaky style cue.

Hu


NateSchoepf said:
I don't know if you can tell in the pictures, but the two cues I am talking about are not full spliced cues or converted house cues, they have the forearm with the 4 points that is joined to the handle area, you can see the line where they are joined? I wonder why people say they are sneaky petes when they IMO are not even close? thanks everyone, Nate.
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The cue in the middle is closest to a Sneaky Pete.

The adjacent cues are conversions if they came from house cues,IMO. It's not that fine of a line, but it was crossed years ago.

If they're fully made from non-house cues, the end cues are wrapless four-pointers. Not Sneakys. Not Conversions.

Fred
 
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WesleyW said:
Just call it a wrapless sneaky pete.
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Sneaky petes don't have wraps...

That being said, I have a Schmelke cocobolo sneaky pete that I added a stack leather wrap to, stained it with cordovan shoe polish, applied ProShine to it, and unless you're paying attention, the wrap isn't very noticeable. Is my original Schmelke sneaky still sneaky, or what? :D I can tell you it sure isn't very visible in a bar. Actually, I had a fellow offer to let me play with his McDermott recently, as he obviously thought I was using a house cue. Freakin' whupped him at the table...:eek: :D

Flex
 
NateSchoepf said:
I don't know if you can tell in the pictures, but the two cues I am talking about are not full spliced cues or converted house cues, they have the forearm with the 4 points that is joined to the handle area, you can see the line where they are joined? I wonder why people say they are sneaky petes when they IMO are not even close? thanks everyone, Nate.
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You want to know why? It's not that difficult. Let's start from the beginning. What is exactly a sneaky pete? A sneaky pete is a cue, looks like a barcue, to trick someone. A sneaky pete is a high quality cue, but the quality can't visible been seen, that's a true sneaky pete. The second question is, how does a sneaky pete look like? Have you ever seen a sneaky pete these days? I haven't. Do you know why? All the sneaky petes these days don't look like sneaky petes. For examble, would you buy a Tim Scruggs and pay like thousand buck if it looks exactly the same as the housecues of your local bar, with exactly the same design and colour? I don't think you would. So every cue that suppose to look like a house cue, isn't looking like a house cue, because it looks too cheap to sell it. Cue makers changed the cue a little, other collar, expensive wood, rings, etc. Every advanced player looking at the cue, will know that the cue is a good cue. A true sneaky pete don't exist anymore. Only novice players would not be able to see it. Give your cue to a novice player, and ask them to tell you if it is a expensive cue or not. If they tell you it's not, then you have a sneaky pete. The cues on the pictures looks like a cheap cue to a novice player. So if we consider that a sneaky pete still exist, than those cues would been a sneaky pete. If you still don't think those cues are sneaky petes, than there is no sneaky petes in this world anymore. Perhaps a few.
 
Is a cab a sportscar? Is a beretta a pistol? Wrapless explains the handle, sneaky explains the look.
 
NateSchoepf said:
I have 2 cues in the picture, the Kevin Varney, and the Mike Johnson/Jensen cue(purple heart) I consider both of them a wrapless cue, not a sneaky pete, they both have four points with a wrapless handle area. I guess what I am asking is if these are considered wrapless or sneaky pete/hustler cues? the cues are the first cue on the right and the last cue, (the two outside cues)

http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/...urrent=wrapless-sneaky-hustlerpoolcueco-6.jpg
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Fancy Sneaky's
 
NateSchoepf said:
I have 2 cues in the picture, the Kevin Varney, and the Mike Johnson/Jensen cue(purple heart) I consider both of them a wrapless cue, not a sneaky pete, they both have four points with a wrapless handle area. I guess what I am asking is if these are considered wrapless or sneaky pete/hustler cues? the cues are the first cue on the right and the last cue, (the two outside cues)

http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/...urrent=wrapless-sneaky-hustlerpoolcueco-6.jpg
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Hello Nate, the cues pictured are certainly Sneaky Pete's, but they are also of course wrapless. To me a Sneaky is nothing more than a finished blank that was purchased assembled with no embellishments other than a butt cap and a joint added. To me for a cue to be a conversion cue the blank must be cut to re-balance the blank at the a-joint, and to add a decorative ring or other embellishment. When a cue is turned to size from a purchased blank, and a butt cap and joint are added essentially this is a Sneaky Peter by definition, however, it is also a wrap-less cue as all basic house cue blanks are that are not wrapped.

But do not be confused wrap-less or wrapped has nothing to do with a conversion cue, Sneaky Pete, or a Wrap-less cue. The difference lies in the additional construction and design changes put into a purchased blank.
 
Let me set the record straight...at least on the Varney. Its NOT a sneaky made from a bought fullsplice blank. Its indeed a short splice 4pt non veneered forearm with a wood handle made to look similar to a fullsplice sneaky blank. All its missing is a buttsleeve then you'd see the cue differently. Imagine the cue if I had put a curly handle on it instead of the boco then added a boco buttsleeve. Then it'd be a 4pt no veneer boco into BEM with a curly handle & boco buttsleeve. A full blown 4pt cue with nothing hustler or sneaky about it. I built it the way that I did so it doesn't draw as much attention as if you pulled out a fancy custom. Kind of along the thought lines of....it looks like $200 but plays like $2000.;) Cues built in this manner are more expensive than a typical fancy sneaky since a fullsplice blank was not used. Many cuemakers charge their base 4pt no veneer price for these fancier short splice cues. Building the cue the way I did just allows for a few more race tricks to be applied...for example now the forearm can be cored and the balance can be made however I'd prefer....instead of the traditionally butt heavy fullsplice. Hope I've made this a bit clearer for everyone.
Happy Easter!!!!:)
 
Randy9Ball said:
IMO, a "sneaky pete" or "hustler" cue is a simple 4 point 2 piece cue with no joint collars, wrap, or decorative inlays. The idea is for it to look like a bar cue. However, there a lots of cues being made that are called "sneaky petes" that have joint collars, wraps, and inlay work. Makes no sense to me but to each their own,
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I totally agree. The only other possibility is that it looks sneaky enough that a mark asks for a game then recognizes to late that it's not a bar cue because of the joint or butt cap.

Black Cat :cool:
 
Varney Cues said:
Let me set the record straight...at least on the Varney. Its NOT a sneaky made from a bought fullsplice blank. Its indeed a short splice 4pt non veneered forearm with a wood handle made to look similar to a fullsplice sneaky blank. All its missing is a buttsleeve then you'd see the cue differently. Imagine the cue if I had put a curly handle on it instead of the boco then added a boco buttsleeve. Then it'd be a 4pt no veneer boco into BEM with a curly handle & boco buttsleeve. A full blown 4pt cue with nothing hustler or sneaky about it. I built it the way that I did so it doesn't draw as much attention as if you pulled out a fancy custom. Kind of along the thought lines of....it looks like $200 but plays like $2000.;) Cues built in this manner are more expensive than a typical fancy sneaky since a fullsplice blank was not used. Many cuemakers charge their base 4pt no veneer price for these fancier short splice cues. Building the cue the way I did just allows for a few more race tricks to be applied...for example now the forearm can be cored and the balance can be made however I'd prefer....instead of the traditionally butt heavy fullsplice. Hope I've made this a bit clearer for everyone.
Happy Easter!!!!:)
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Hello Kevin, you said the following:
Let me set the record straight...at least on the Varney. Its NOT a sneaky made from a bought fullsplice blank. Its indeed a short splice 4pt non veneered forearm with a wood handle made to look similar to a fullsplice sneaky blank

If the Varney is not made from a purchased Blank, this must mean that you make your own Short Spliced Blanks? Is this True?:) Or do you use old House cues that have been cut and then cored?

Kevin, You said the following:
I built it the way that I did so it doesn't draw as much attention as if you pulled out a fancy custom. Kind of along the thought lines of....it looks like $200 but plays like $2000.;) Cues built in this manner are more expensive than a typical fancy sneaky since a fullsplice blank was not used

Kevin what do mean that the typical Sneaky with points is not made from a Full Spliced Blank, please explain this? :confused:

Kevin, you said:
Many cuemakers charge their base 4pt no veneer price for these fancier short splice cues. Building the cue the way I did just allows for a few more race tricks to be applied...for example now the forearm can be cored and the balance can be made however I'd prefer....instead of the traditionally butt heavy fullsplice. Hope I've made this a bit clearer for everyone.

Kevin if the forearm is not cut below the points how can you core it, and please explain what a race trick is, and how it effects the cues performance?:confused:
 
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