Is this Sharking?

The guys are right. It is not sharking. What it is, is not having your shit together. (Damn, there I go using that word again.)
Sharking is stuff like: "Nice shot Alice." (when you come up short.) Or, "Say that's a good looking pair of loafers you have there. Speaking of loafers, how's you Dad?" Or, "You play pretty well, for a blind guy." Or, "Do you allways play this bad, or is this a special occasion?"
Stuff like that. :)

P.S. Here's a freebie from Tramp. If some guy is leaning on you like that just holler out as loud as you can. "So, how did your parents come out in their lawsuit against the condom company?"
 
Quitting winner seems to be something of a double-edged sword. If, at the end of the pre-established time, you're up and the other guy wants to keep playing, that's too bad. you can either reneg for more time, or just get paid and go. However, when no time limit is reached and you're just playing sets; if after 5 or 6 sets someone is up 1 or 2 sets, why do you have play them again "so they have a chance to get even"? At least in the places around here, most people (more the younger ones - as in less than 40) always ***** and complain if you don't give them a chance to get even.

What I've gone to doing now is saying "we'll play for 3 hours or until someone is up 2 sets; whichever comes first." that seems to go over pretty well in my experience. but i don't gamble that often, so... it's probably not worth it to most people since i also don't like playing for a lot of cash. don't have that much to lose, so i try and stretch it out. lol
 
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PhilosopherKing said:
I have a few different scenarios. All involve money and an evenly-matched opponent that you know and interact with on a regular basis:

1.) Your opponent says he has to leave at a certain time, goes on a roll, and continues playing well past the stated time without saying a word about it.

2.) Your opponent is down, says this is his last set, catches a gear, wins the set, gets even, and goes to flip the coin like nothing was ever said.

3.) You're up several sets, your opponent keeps making the bet double-or-nothing, loses several more sets, eventually wins one, gets even, and quits.

Do you consider these moves sharking? How do you deal with them?

Thanks
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Never let anyone double up more than once. Gambling 101!! You spend hours getting ahead and then let him catch up quick. Bad gambling. Just like horse racing, you must learn to cash out and walk away a winner.
 
PhilosopherKing said:
I have a few different scenarios. All involve money and an evenly-matched opponent that you know and interact with on a regular basis:

1.) Your opponent says he has to leave at a certain time, goes on a roll, and continues playing well past the stated time without saying a word about it.

2.) Your opponent is down, says this is his last set, catches a gear, wins the set, gets even, and goes to flip the coin like nothing was ever said.

3.) You're up several sets, your opponent keeps making the bet double-or-nothing, loses several more sets, eventually wins one, gets even, and quits.

Do you consider these moves sharking? How do you deal with them?

Thanks
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Not sharking in my opinion.

1. If you don't want to quit at a certain time with a player don't start playing. If they make that stipulation quit at the time and it is even for both players. If you feel you have the best of the game and they don't quit at that time keep playing. Advantage you!

2. If they say they are going to quit after the next set you can choose to play that set or not it is your choice. If you play that set and they want to play more if you lose you have the option to keep playing if you like the game or quit. Advantage you!

3. If you don't want to double the bet don't do it, if the game is so good that you can keep doubling and win every set do it. Advantage you!

Just the way I see it, you have an option with every choice.
 
DoubleD said:
Stop playing semantics. What do you want me to say? Concerned? Wondering about? In the back of your mind?

The long and short of it is that if you are...whatever...about how someone thinks of you, you are probably right about what they think of you and they have valid reason to think that about you.

All I am saying is that you can be a nice guy, gamble, have limitations, win money and have friends.

You sound like you think you are going to fleece the herd and want to know how to keep them coming back. Is that it?

dld
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I started this thread because I was frustrated by moves that were being used against me.
I wanted to know how other members felt about them, and hoped to find civil ways of dealing with them and defending myself against them. That's all there is to it.

Have a nice day.
 
After your three scenarios you posed two questions; (1) "Do you consider these moves sharking?" And; (2) "How do you deal with them?"
The answer to the first question, according to most of those responding was no it is not sharking, and I agree with that assessment.
As to the second question, you can obviously deal with your scenarios in many different ways, but the most logical approach to me would be to quit playing the guy. The other responders would, I'm sure, feel the same way.
 
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not sharking

1. you still have the choice to quit
2. you still have the choice to quit
3. evidently if he wants to go dbl or nothing, you haven't been paid yet. and in my experience, you're probably not going to be. if it's a fair game i'd make him earn it the hard way keeping the bet where it is, if he isn't you're speed and you're the one sharking him...........well you could dbl away, but that's up to you (mind you he could be slow playing you).
 
Their called NITS

It used to be you never quit on a guy when he's behind. You play him every game there is until they give up. Now it is someone gets up and says I've got to go if their ahead, and play to day break if their behind. I played some guy a few months ago. He went in with three or four of his nit friends and played for forty a game, which for this nit is a huge bankroll. He wins the first nine and then I start winning, winning the next four. After I win the fourth game, he says he's tired and wants to quit. A few days earlier when it was his money and he was losing, we closed the place up, him trying to get his money back. These types of guys are not gamblers, their nits with no heart. I can understand setting a time limit, or setting sets or posting. But NITS? Just no heart, bad action, lockup artist. If they don't have the nuts, they run like little girls. No offense to the girls that can play, either.
 
that's why you set limits before you play. #of games, sets, weight, how much etc.

i've played guys that just won't quit no matter how much they lose, call me a softie, but after a while and it's 4am i wanna go the f**k home. of course i can set another date but sometimes it's like the end of the world.

I personally don't believe in the "never quit on a guy when he's down" or "always give them a chance to win their money back" bullsh*t. if they're so worried about losing while gambling, they never should have gambled in the first place. or played better. take your lumps, go home and battle another day (or find someone else easier)

just like in the movie The Hustler - "this isn't football......nobody pays you for yardage....":thumbup:
 
I love playing and would play twenty four hours a day. When I started playing, I worked racking balls and when that placed closed, I went to the twenty four hour pool room and slept in the chairs. A few years ago I played in San francisco at a pool room full of gamblers that was open twenty four hours a day. It was heaven.
To quit on a player because it's late and the joint is staying open for you to play is different from getting ahead and making excuses to quit. Because I choose to try to bring a little of my own personal integrity to my gambling does not mean it is bull ship. I play guys all the time with limits because I know we will be playing again. It's the heartless nits who only want to play while they are winning and quit while the're ahead, but if they are losing, it's closing time for the end of the game.
I am not a hustler, and the Hustler was a movie, not real life. The only thing real about the Hustler was him being a compulsive, degenerate gambler, and an alcoholic. Glamorizing pool playing for a living is a pipe dream very few realize. I have seen many champions broke at the end of their life or broke and living in their cars while on the road.
 
Shark moves

PhilosopherKing said:
I have a few different scenarios. All involve money and an evenly-matched opponent that you know and interact with on a regular basis:

1.) Your opponent says he has to leave at a certain time, goes on a roll, and continues playing well past the stated time without saying a word about it.

2.) Your opponent is down, says this is his last set, catches a gear, wins the set, gets even, and goes to flip the coin like nothing was ever said.

3.) You're up several sets, your opponent keeps making the bet double-or-nothing, loses several more sets, eventually wins one, gets even, and quits.

Do you consider these moves sharking? How do you deal with them?

Thanks
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#1.) I would say that is most definitely a shark move, the best one I ever ran across!, rattles 9 out of 10 players everytime.

When I was much younger and just starting to gamble, I had this guy that would get up three or four games and then tell me I have to go in ten minutes, well I would dawg several balls and he he would continue to get farther ahead, and every 30 minutes or so he would say I got to go in ten more minutes, so that is a move to get into someones head, and it works, the best thing to do is just quit and tell them you'll play again when they have more time.


#2.) is a move also, it will get into your head if you let it, if your a good player you should be able to overcome that move , but it is up to you to keep playing, you just have to weight the odds of your play at that point.


#3.) is and is not a move, it is mostly a guy wanting to win back his $ without having to beat you many games to get it back, I used to double or nothing the bet when I was young and dumb, but now I'll only raise the bet by 1/3 or maybe 1/2 the original bet,

in other words you lost it, you got to play to get it back, or you can quit!


David Harcrow
 
maha said:
winning or losing you should be able to quit when ever you want.
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Your right and wrong, if you often quit players winner after an unreasonable amount of time, you will soon be playing all your matches by yourself, just sayin'!


David Harcrow
 
Gambling ettiquette?

It's tough out there for matching up. If your lucky you will find a handful of players that won't quit winner all the time and act like gentlemen.

I know you can't win if you are the only one willing to play 5 sets, lose them all and keep going. When your stroke comes back and the rolls start to go your way they just quit you. I like gambling with the rare individuals that, like me, will just play until the room closes.

I had a player I really enjoyed playing, I thought he was better than he was in the ettiquete department. When I look back on our sessions I see how it is really. Play a close set he wins, then I beat him 7-1 and he quits after 90 minutes. When we had agreed to at least 4 hours. He "had a headache", maybe. The minute he felt he didn't have an advantage he quit me, just nitty behavior really.

There's a room full of them locally who combined have about 1/2 a human heart amongst them. Like a union of locksmiths. 2 sets and quit, wheter up or down. I think they cheat themselves. How can they empty my bankroll with just 2 sets?

If you have $300-500 to lose and the other guy has $80, how can you come out ahead? You need to understand your opponents limitations financially and in the heart department. If you are the only one willing to grind it out and go off for 100's, you'll lose all the time.

Locking up games is great, play ahead sets ect..., but guys with no heart won't even go there.

Lately I am left playing weaker players, spotting the nuts and trying to outrun it. When I do they inevitably ask for more weight. There's not alot of reward for improving your game. Look how little action the best players in an area get sometimes.
 
always felt like I ought to leave them laughing

catpool9 said:
#1.) I would say that is most definitely a shark move, the best one I ever ran across!, rattles 9 out of 10 players everytime.

When I was much younger and just starting to gamble, I had this guy that would get up three or four games and then tell me I have to go in ten minutes, well I would dawg several balls and he he would continue to get farther ahead, and every 30 minutes or so he would say I got to go in ten more minutes, so that is a move to get into someones head, and it works, the best thing to do is just quit and tell them you'll play again when they have more time.


#2.) is a move also, it will get into your head if you let it, if your a good player you should be able to overcome that move , but it is up to you to keep playing, you just have to weight the odds of your play at that point.


#3.) is and is not a move, it is mostly a guy wanting to win back his $ without having to beat you many games to get it back, I used to double or nothing the bet when I was young and dumb, but now I'll only raise the bet by 1/3 or maybe 1/2 the original bet,

in other words you lost it, you got to play to get it back, or you can quit!


David Harcrow
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No surprise, we did things much the same. If it took me three hours to win the money I wasn't fixing to give it back in thirty minutes. I'd up the bet in small increments or one big "last bet" for half or less what they had lost. When they wanted to play again after the last bet I had already put the cue back on the wall or unscrewed.

That is exactly how I dealt with the folks that said "last bet" when they were losing and wanted to keep playing afterwards if they won. "Sorry dude, I'm done. You said you were quitting so I didn't say anything myself." Do that to a regular two or three times and they learn not to play that last game or last set crap with you.

I often lost the last bet or two in close battles anyway. Made it a lot easier to get out of a place and made me a lot more welcome coming back. I lost early and cheap and then the last bet or two if I had enough winnings to justify it. If not I won with a lucky roll or two, if I could.

Hu
 
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