Is Touch Of Inside "the teacher"

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j_zippel

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Any one use CJ's TOI system and actually find it works for them? It seems like there's a pile of variables to it you'd have to iron out...so if your already a B player, is it really going to make you an A player? or Is this whole system just a bit of a pyramid scheme??
 
I have two sets of his CD's and I'll sell anyone a brand new set (4 CDs) for $25.00 + shipping.

You asked if there's anything to this "inside" mania...... yes and no; you have to view the videos to find out why.
It makes you pay more attention to certain things and it's helped my game because of me.......my focus......not
because of any special knowledge his CDs offer.

I already was using "inside" for shape position but he makes it a point to use it all the time which is totally up to
the shooter. Anyway, the only knock on the videos is that CJ talks way too much and his delivery style is well...
monotone and "boring" but bear through it anyway because there's information there that will help your game.
 
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TOI is the best side because that's where your contact point is

If you want to experience the aiming part of TOI try this:

Set up a slightly off angled shot (straight in to a spot a half diamond to the left of the corner pocket). This means you need to cut it slightly to the right, so look at the center of your tip, then get down as if it's straight in, aim at center (for your reference point and to "dial in your eyes"), then more your whole stick parallel to the shot line slightly to the right.

Hit it at the center, just like it's straight in and see what happens. It will cut slightly and go in, if it over cuts, set it up again and use LESS TOI. If it doesn't cut at all you're not using any TOI, cue it slightly more inside, to the right. After you make this and really FEEL the connection to the shot, more the angle where it's straight in to the first diamond repeat this drill.

This is how to calibrate the angles of TOI. There's no short cut to learning how much TOI to use to create the angles, I"ll just tell you it's LESS than you probably think it is.

After you do this you will start to "Real Eyes" what I've been saying about unintentionally deflecting shots OUT of the pocket in the past. If you just cue it a HAIR outside of center it will deflect a half diamond on a 4'-5' shot. Imagine how many balls you've missed by unintentionally doing this and having NO IDEA why.

This is why I strongly recommend NOT using center ball because{a slight stoking error} will happen and you won't be able to tell which side of center you "might" have hit. Maybe you didn't, maybe you did, who knows? How can you make the correct adjustment if you can't identify what he root issue of the miss is? You simply won't be able to, however, players like myself can and will beat you because of this knowledge.

I know one thing, you will not know for sure unless you start favoring one side of the cue ball and TOI is the best side because that's where your contact point is. Think about this, and it will make more and more sense. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
It works, just try it and you will see.

It´s like a puzzle, try the pieces and see what will work. Look at the result not the goal, have the goal in mind though. You have to walk the road to get there.

The way of learning is a by seeing it, not ignoring it. If it´s black, it´s blocked, if it´s white it´s open.

There is many different ways to play pool but bear in mind that you have trained it all your life, angles, seeing, doing it, ..... you are the creator and if you take full responsibility you will grow. Measure it in knowledge and not in "wins". Win, loose = just a result, equally as important to grow.

Open up for new ways, not closing down.

Take care and may the force be with you:)

Chrippa
 
Chrippa said:
It works, just try it and you will see.

It´s like a puzzle, try the pieces and see what will work. Look at the result not the goal, have the goal in mind though. You have to walk the road to get there.

The way of learning is a by seeing it, not ignoring it. If it´s black, it´s blocked, if it´s white it´s open.

There is many different ways to play pool but bear in mind that you have trained it all your life, angles, seeing, doing it, ..... you are the creator and if you take full responsibility you will grow. Measure it in knowledge and not in "wins". Win, loose = just a result, equally as important to grow.

Open up for new ways, not closing down.

Take care and may the force be with you:)

Chrippa
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Are you a motivational speaker? Felt them vibes
 
TOI doesn't work for 100% of the people that haven't tried it.

Chrippa said:
It works, just try it and you will see.

It´s like a puzzle, try the pieces and see what will work. Look at the result not the goal, have the goal in mind though. You have to walk the road to get there.

The way of learning is a by seeing it, not ignoring it. If it´s black, it´s blocked, if it´s white it´s open.

There is many different ways to play pool but bear in mind that you have trained it all your life, angles, seeing, doing it, ..... you are the creator and if you take full responsibility you will grow. Measure it in knowledge and not in "wins". Win, loose = just a result, equally as important to grow.

Open up for new ways, not closing down.

Take care and may the force be with you:)

Chrippa
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That's right, TOI doesn't work for 100% of the people that haven't tried it. Without the 3 hours of TOI training the door will not open and the "TOI Keys" will be ineffective.

Through the process of my TOI training I learned things about pool that I could have learned no other way. It unlocked a new dimension in the game that is "locked" when a player uses spin to create angles. The game aligned to the players mind only when the natural angles are understood so they can be recognized "we can only recognize what we're familiar with".......and such is life.

I didn't "invent" TOI, it was used by Luther Lassiter and many old time champion players. Efren told me his secret was "NO SPIN" and Mike Lebron described it as "a touch of inside".....whatever you call it, don't let the messenger get in the way of the message"......the truth is I gave away all the "secrets" of the "Touch of Inside" long before I made the DVD.....the video was made because I had hundreds of requests and I simply gave them what they requested.....very simple, very easy.

'The Game is my Teacher'
 
CJ Wiley said:
If you want to experience the aiming part of TOI try this:

Set up a slightly off angled shot (straight in to a spot a half diamond to the left of the corner pocket). This means you need to cut it slightly to the right, so look at the center of your tip, then get down as if it's straight in, aim at center (for your reference point and to "dial in your eyes"), then more your whole stick parallel to the shot line slightly to the right.

Hit it at the center, just like it's straight in and see what happens. It will cut slightly and go in, if it over cuts, set it up again and use LESS TOI. If it doesn't cut at all you're not using any TOI, cue it slightly more inside, to the right. After you make this and really FEEL the connection to the shot, more the angle where it's straight in to the first diamond repeat this drill.

This is how to calibrate the angles of TOI. There's no short cut to learning how much TOI to use to create the angles, I"ll just tell you it's LESS than you probably think it is.

After you do this you will start to "Real Eyes" what I've been saying about unintentionally deflecting shots OUT of the pocket in the past. If you just cue it a HAIR outside of center it will deflect a half diamond on a 4'-5' shot. Imagine how many balls you've missed by unintentionally doing this and having NO IDEA why.

This is why I strongly recommend NOT using center ball because{a slight stoking error} will happen and you won't be able to tell which side of center you "might" have hit. Maybe you didn't, maybe you did, who knows? How can you make the correct adjustment if you can't identify what he root issue of the miss is? You simply won't be able to, however, players like myself can and will beat you because of this knowledge.

I know one thing, you will not know for sure unless you start favoring one side of the cue ball and TOI is the best side because that's where your contact point is. Think about this, and it will make more and more sense. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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When using just center ball, it's not hard at all to be able to tell if you hit off center, and on which side. All it takes is a little knowledge of how to do so. Something any instructor should have.

What I don't understand, is why you are so often so willing to make statements like you did, which show a total lack of knowledge, just to make a point to sell another DVD? You might actually sell more if you didn't come across as not knowing the basics to start with. Marketing is about making yourself look good, not look like you don't know what you are doing just to make a point.
 
Practice

Sorry to all those that dont like CJ's "peddling" but I am confused. I set up the practice shot that he described and I dont get it. I am not being a jackass but I typically use a "touch" of outside to throw the balls at the pocket. To me, pocket speed has always been "the key". Additionally, doesnt the leave dictate the spin you should use?

Ironically, after I tried the practice shot, I watched a video of McCready and Siegel from 1993 and paid close attention to the angles they left themselves and they played outside spin to get to the cue to the rail for control more times than not :confused:
 
the only knock on the videos is that CJ talks way too much

Bavafongoul said:
[B Anyway, the only knock on the videos is that CJ talks way too much and his delivery style is well...
monotone and "boring" but bear through it anyway because there's information there that will help your game.
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Thanks, if I'm going to get criticized for my instructional videos I want it to be because I "talk to much" (music to a teacher's ears) ;) .....communicating these advanced techniques require me to describe them in numerous ways so everyone has a chance to understand. This is much easier said than done.

When I studied Linguistics they made it clear that we must be responsible for what other's understand.....and we all think in different ways, some visual, some auditory, and others are kinesthetic. I have to keep this in mind and it also determines the speed and tonality of the delivery. Auditory people will get a totally different experience than visuals, or kinesthetics when hearing the exact same language patterns and tonality.

I'm glad you enjoyed the DVDS and learned what you needed......I would recommend watching them at least 5 times to absorb what you may have missed due to your personal "channel" of listening. 'The Game is the Teacher'


BILLIARDS INSIDE SECRETS DVD
Cj Explains and Demonstrates:
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Hand Connection & Alignment
Pre Shot Routine
The Connection System
Developing an Athletic Grip
Establishing Hand Alignment
Planes of the Stroke
Feet Placement - Your Body's Foundation
Connecting Fitness to the Game
Three Part Pocket System
Feeling Finesse in Your Fingers
Precision Practice Strokes
Pro Alignment - Connecting to the Shot
Mastering the "Three Cs"
Specialty Shots
Self Hypnosis
Anapana Breathing
Inner Game Techniques
Developing Touch and Cue Ball Feedback
Hand Strengthening and Dexterity
Pocket Zones & The "Touch" of Inside
Practice Drills For Primary Target
Establishing Right/Left Body Position
Concentrating On and Off the Table
"Escape Shots"

To book Private Lessons with CJ email for more information, prices and scheduling at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com
 
I was taking a couple of extra classes at one time also. Part of that included the teaching, learning roles of
seeing, hearing and kinesthetically. It made me realize what areas that I was best suited for in order to learn.

I guess that this is attributed to Ben Franklin. One shop that I worked in had this on the wall.

Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.
 
.amateur players only know the outside english shot and therefore, never learn TOI

RFranklin said:
Sorry to all those that dont like CJ's "peddling" but I am confused. I set up the practice shot that he described and I dont get it. I am not being a jackass but I typically use a "touch" of outside to throw the balls at the pocket. To me, pocket speed has always been "the key". Additionally, doesnt the leave dictate the spin you should use?

Ironically, after I tried the practice shot, I watched a video of McCready and Siegel from 1993 and paid close attention to the angles they left themselves and they played outside spin to get to the cue to the rail for control more times than not :confused:
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Yes, on new cloth many players use outside english because of the "slick" conditions. TOI is more effective on worn cloth and regular "pool room" conditions.

The TOI is like "Drawing" the golf ball from right to left as opposed to "Fading" it from left to right. The Draw gets you more distance and the ball rolls farther, the Fade gives you less distance with more control (because the ball rolls less).

Professional players can do both, and it's beneficial to use both at times....amateur players only know the outside english shot and therefore, never learn the "other dimension" of pocket billiards.....the TOI teaches the other dimension and does it well IF someone's willing to put in the 3 hours to experience it and the 3 weeks to "make it theirs". 'The Game is Our Teacher'

I was lucky enough to have been revealed the "touch of inside" aiming system 3 or 4 years ago. CJ was just beginning to get back into pool, and I ran into him at a weekend tournament. After some conversation he was nice enough to explain to me many the TOI benefits and how he used it for years against the top players in the world with success that is undeniable. I began to fool around with it and had some immediate success. He guided me through it by explaining to me exactly how to "tweak" it a bit in order to accommodate my particular style of play.

CJ also helped me immensely on the mental attitude of pool. His experiences in the martial arts helped him to understand exactly how we think in pressure situations and how we can deal with these feelings and channel them into positive results.

He communicates the ideas in a brilliant way. He is a great instructor and is always there to answer a quick question for me regarding any of his practices. His success and knowledge of the game is undeniable. A lesson with CJ opened me up to a whole new "pool galaxy" and allowed me to improve at an exceptional rate.

I plan on heading to CJ's pool headquarters to do a follow up and soak up some more information. It's really fun when you learn how to make the game easier and see improvements. Some people talk about it and some do their talking with their cue stick! CJ's pool resume is phenomenal.

Bob D.
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CJ Wiley said:
After you do this you will start to "Real Eyes" what I've been saying about unintentionally deflecting shots OUT of the pocket in the past. If you just cue it a HAIR outside of center it will deflect a half diamond on a 4'-5' shot. Imagine how many balls you've missed by unintentionally doing this and having NO IDEA why.
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Given the above, any particular reason to always use inside versus outside english, or both (depending on shape considerations)?
 
TOI is not for everyone, some people prefer to use other methods

shinobi said:
Given the above, any particular reason to always use inside versus outside english, or both (depending on shape considerations)?
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I like using the inside because it consistently over cuts the object ball. If you notice, when amateur's miss they usually under cut the shots...the "Pro side" is always on the "over cut side".....the TOI makes sure you always hit the "Pro Side" and enables the player to favor the INSIDE of the pocket and create a zone.....I call this the 3 Part Pocket System.

TOI is certainly effective when it's learned correctly - I used it to win over a million dollars gambling at pool.....but TOI is not for everyone, some people prefer to use other methods (although I still think they would benefit from learning how TOI works).....I'm simply offering the one that I have had a great deal of success with.
 
use the 3 Part Pocket System and look at the pocket as a Zone

RFranklin said:
Sorry to all those that dont like CJ's "peddling" but I am confused. I set up the practice shot that he described and I dont get it. I am not being a jackass but I typically use a "touch" of outside to throw the balls at the pocket. To me, pocket speed has always been "the key". Additionally, doesnt the leave dictate the spin you should use?

Ironically, after I tried the practice shot, I watched a video of McCready and Siegel from 1993 and paid close attention to the angles they left themselves and they played outside spin to get to the cue to the rail for control more times than not :confused:
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In all fairness, when discussing things that are "outside the norm" it usually takes a variety or combination of explanations before it's truly understood.

I take it for granted since, in person I have a mental list of 3 themes of explanations, and a few variations of specific details that are proven (in my experience) to get someone in the "understanding mode" quickly.

The TOUCH of Inside technique I have explained in many ways. First off, I DO NOT spin the cue ball, I just "cue it" to the inside. This creates a situation that slightly overcuts the object ball. When combined with this "Wrist/Finger Stroke" it is DEADLY ACCURATE and expands the Pocket Zone by an impressive margin.

When you learn to use the 3 Part Pocket System and look at the pocket as a Zone (and learn to pre set your hand so you hit the cue ball straight every time), the Game changes and becomes possible to play without error for hours at a time.

I'm not claiming to be "better" than the players {on this Forum} that don't utilize my techniques, I'm simply playing a different Game than they are. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
That is called "A Touch of Whatever is Needed."

The Layout is the Teacher



RFranklin said:
Ironically, after I tried the practice shot, I watched a video of McCready and Siegel from 1993 and paid close attention to the angles they left themselves and they played outside spin to get to the cue to the rail for control more times than not :confused:
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Toi

My question is when using Toi all the time and needing more inside or outside english for position. Example is a a slight cut to the left needing outside english for shape. Do I shift over slightly to the inside for toi and then swivel back to the right for the outside? Basically Im hitting closer to center or just to the right of center but it puts outside spin because Ive shifted over to the left for toi. Does this make sense?
 
I switched over to TOI back in July of 2013. I use it 100%, my game has definitely improved, my confidence has risen, and the game is once again fun.

Once you are lined up with a TOI cut, you can pivot the cue back to the outside if outside English is needed.
 
CJ Wiley said:
Yes, on new cloth many players use outside english because of the "slick" conditions. TOI is more effective on worn cloth and regular "pool room" conditions.

CJ, if you had any idea what you just made me "real eyes"! I'll try to make this quick:) I started playing late in life, 28 yrs old. I'm 36 now, but for the first yr, I played on a 9ft Brunswick with old nap cloth! I practiced real hard and took lessons from Joe tucker, ginky, and a few others and got myself up to a B+, sometimes A- player! Not bad for someone who works 7 days a week and gone through bone cancer! Anyway, like I said, I started playing on the old cloth for about a yr and then moved up to simonis! I was building my stroke up at the beginning and when I got to the simonis,man, could I move the ball!
Ok, so I always return to my first table, I made a few friends who play at the bowling alley, and I always tell them, guys, you need to get on better tables, faster cloth! You will play much better:)
Well, I've finally "real eyes" why I play so good on those old tables!!!!!!! TOI, I didn't even think about it until you mentioned it here! I find myself putting inside on 80% of the shots on the old nap cloth!
I have to admit, I wasn't too big on your TOI system on the fast cloth for myself, but, I actually use it the old nap cloth!

I know a lot of people don't like it when CJ comes on here promoting his stuff, but you know something, I really don't care!!!! CJ, from the bottom of my heart, thank you very much, you have no clue what you solved for me! It's been about 2 yrs trying to figure it out! Thanks:)
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