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Neil said:
Well, this post of yours proves one thing- either you are out of ammo and just want to troll anyways, or, you are dumber than a box of rocks. All the pros that use aiming systems should rethink whether pool is for them or not??? It's amazing that you even went there!
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It's really remarkably simple. Find me someone who can't play - John Barton, for instance - then get him to use an aiming system (or any other cock and bull BS you lot seem to love to make an easy game more difficult than it should be) for a few months and plot his progress towards becoming a pro.

If there's no improvement - or none that can't be explained through additional practice time or effort - they don't work. Just do it and end the discussion.

Again, all this advice, yet so few pros. Again, again, this place is a support group for the permanently deluded.
 
Folks, YOU be the judge! The reason why the person in the following video thinks aim is so important is simply because HE DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE! If you watch the whole video, you will notice his stroke is horrible. NO pre-shot routine whatsoever. Out of the 10 easy cut shots he trys to make, he misses 3 times! Of course, he doesn't show any difficult cuts where CIT (cut induced throw) would come into play...because he can't make the simplist cuts! Actions speak louder than words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Pwgas5xpgCA

Now if you would like to learn the truth about the CET aiming system, you might want to read this: http://www.azbilliards.com/rogerlong/roger6.php
 
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TheThaiger said:
It's really remarkably simple. Find me someone who can't play - John Barton, for instance - then get him to use an aiming system (or any other cock and bull BS you lot seem to love to make an easy game more difficult than it should be) for a few months and plot his progress towards becoming a pro.

If there's no improvement - or none that can't be explained through additional practice time or effort - they don't work. Just do it and end the discussion.

Again, all this advice, yet so few pros. Again, again, this place is a support group for the permanently deluded.
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If you think, or even are trying to equate aiming to be a pro, you are the one that is deluded. There is much more to pool than just aiming. ESPECIALLY at the pro level. If aiming systems make the game harder for you, then maybe you shouldn't use them. For the vast majority that use them, they make the game easier by far.

I have been working with one person for a while now that I taught several aiming systems to. This person has a bad back and bad legs and hips, and really doesn't practice at all. This person went from an APA 5 to an APA 7 in one month just KNOWING how to use an aiming system. And, this person had been playing for many years already, but wasn't getting any better. So, the "proof" is out there, they do help people. You saying they don't only shows how much you don't know.
 
cfrandy said:
Folks, YOU be the judge! The reason why the person in the following video thinks aim is so important is simply because HE DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE! If you watch the whole video, you will notice his stroke is horrible. NO pre-shot routine whatsoever. Out of the 10 easy cut shots he trys to make, he misses 3 times! Of course, he doesn't show any difficult cuts where CIT (cut induced throw) would come into play...because he can't make the simplist cuts! Actions speak louder than words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Pwgas5xpgCA

Now if you would like to learn the truth about the CET aiming system, you might want to read this: http://www.azbilliards.com/rogerlong/roger6.php
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Just a couple things to note about this video: he shoots at a 3" pocket with a PVC pipe... the shots he "missed" would have dropped in a standard 4-4.5" pocket. He is also talking the entire time he shoots, so I don't think the intent of this video is to demonstrate preshot routine or perfect shot making, but to demonstrate CTE and what it is about.

Anyways regarding CTE and if it works, go ask randyg and scott lee why they teach SAME AIM in their master classes. Randy admitted to me directly that SAME AIM is CTE, same thing. Do you think they would teach it if it didn't work?
 
mohrt said:
Just a couple things to note about this video: he shoots at a 3" pocket with a PVC pipe... the shots he "missed" would have dropped in a standard 4-4.5" pocket. He is also talking the entire time he shoots, so I don't think the intent of this video is to demonstrate preshot routine or perfect shot making, but to demonstrate CTE and what it is about.

Anyways regarding CTE and if it works, go ask randyg and scott lee why they teach SAME AIM in their master classes. Randy admitted to me directly that SAME AIM is CTE, same thing. Do you think they would teach it if it didn't work?
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Is it the same as Hal's only 3 shots in pool ?
 
mohrt said:
Just a couple things to note about this video: he shoots at a 3" pocket with a PVC pipe... the shots he "missed" would have dropped in a standard 4-4.5" pocket. He is also talking the entire time he shoots, so I don't think the intent of this video is to demonstrate preshot routine or perfect shot making, but to demonstrate CTE and what it is about.

Anyways regarding CTE and if it works, go ask randyg and scott lee why they teach SAME AIM in their master classes. Randy admitted to me directly that SAME AIM is CTE, same thing. Do you think they would teach it if it didn't work?
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Money, obviously. It's not necessarily that it doesn't work for some, but that's it's unnecessary for most.
 
cfrandy said:
Folks, YOU be the judge! The reason why the person in the following video thinks aim is so important is simply because HE DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE! If you watch the whole video, you will notice his stroke is horrible. NO pre-shot routine whatsoever. Out of the 10 easy cut shots he trys to make, he misses 3 times! Of course, he doesn't show any difficult cuts where CIT (cut induced throw) would come into play...because he can't make the simplist cuts! Actions speak louder than words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Pwgas5xpgCA

Now if you would like to learn the truth about the CET aiming system, you might want to read this: http://www.azbilliards.com/rogerlong/roger6.php
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you are so very ignorant and the dinosaur that wrote that article should be embarrassed to call himself an instructor also. You guys no nothing about cte/pro1 and that is the only system i will talk about also,im starting to think im the only person on this board that was able to understand it and use it? The cte/pro1 disc only showed you 3/4 of the system, it goes beyond the pro1 part and keeps evolving!!!
 
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Neil said:
If you think, or even are trying to equate aiming to be a pro, you are the one that is deluded. There is much more to pool than just aiming. ESPECIALLY at the pro level. If aiming systems make the game harder for you, then maybe you shouldn't use them. For the vast majority that use them, they make the game easier by far.

I have been working with one person for a while now that I taught several aiming systems to. This person has a bad back and bad legs and hips, and really doesn't practice at all. This person went from an APA 5 to an APA 7 in one month just KNOWING how to use an aiming system. And, this person had been playing for many years already, but wasn't getting any better. So, the "proof" is out there, they do help people. You saying they don't only shows how much you don't know.
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So, to recap, he was a poor player, who's become marginally better through a bit of coaching. Is that what you're saying?

Wow. Who do I make the cheque payable to?

:rolleyes:
 
JoeyInCali said:
Is it the same as Hal's only 3 shots in pool ?
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That whole posting from Hal Houle and only three angles in pool, that is not CTE. If you take note, there is no pivot involved in that system. I do know that that system has limitations, but would probably be on par with many of the other fractional aiming systems out there, it's just a reference to get you close. Of course Hal worded it as holy gospel, that is just the way Hal was. Hal posted several aiming systems to the net, but never posted any version of CTE. He taught that in person.

Here is another he posted:
http://www.poolchat.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=7471
 
mohrt said:
That whole posting from Hal Houle and only three angles in pool, that is not CTE. If you take note, there is no pivot involved in that system. I do know that that system has limitations, but would probably be on par with many of the other fractional aiming systems out there, it's just a reference to get you close. Of course Hal worded it as holy gospel, that is just the way Hal was. Hal posted several aiming systems to the net, but never posted any version of CTE. He taught that in person.

Here is another he posted:
http://www.poolchat.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=7471
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Thanks.
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mohrt said:
Just a couple things to note about this video: he shoots at a 3" pocket with a PVC pipe... the shots he "missed" would have dropped in a standard 4-4.5" pocket. He is also talking the entire time he shoots, so I don't think the intent of this video is to demonstrate preshot routine or perfect shot making, but to demonstrate CTE and what it is about.

Anyways regarding CTE and if it works, go ask randyg and scott lee why they teach SAME AIM in their master classes. Randy admitted to me directly that SAME AIM is CTE, same thing. Do you think they would teach it if it didn't work?
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Ok...no PVC here and he STILL misses 30% of the time! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhla1mQd9LU&feature=player_detailpage

ALL pivot aiming systems have their limitations, as pointed out by Dr Dave: http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/aiming.html#CTE. However, it would be best if you learn to aim from a certified instructor and not from someone who has yet to master the fundamentals and can only pocket the ball 60% of the time! Randy G. is a Master instructor! His "refined" version of CTE will work for most students! However, you can be sure he will teach you the fundamentals of stance and stroke before he teaches you how to aim! I also bet he doesn't miss his shots 30% of the time!
 
cfrandy said:
Ok...no PVC here and he STILL misses 30% of the time! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhla1mQd9LU&feature=player_detailpage

ALL pivot aiming systems have their limitations, as pointed out by Dr Dave: http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/aiming.html#CTE. However, it would be best if you learn to aim from a certified instructor and not from someone who has yet to master the fundamentals and can only pocket the ball 60% of the time! Randy G. is a Master instructor! His "refined" version of CTE will work for most students! However, you can be sure he will teach you the fundamentals of stance and stroke before he teaches you how to aim! I also bet he doesn't miss his shots 30% of the time!
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tell randy to make a video of cte and i match it on a snooker table using stan shufetts with 3.5 pockets :) im self taught and never had a lesson from any one and learned off a dvd. why dont you tell me the limitations and let me prove you wrong? <<< this offer goes out to anyone also :)
 
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TheThaiger said:
The man likes to talk, but I like reading the comments more than listening or watching what's going on. Likes this one:



This chap's nailed him straight away! :grin:
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i just found a snooker table close to my house why dont you make a video and i will make one also playing snooker and i will use a system. Im telling you this before hand because more than likely you wont have an idea im using a cte system :) i haven't played on a snooker table in maybe 20 years also, since i was a kid :)
 
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dr. dave is certainly no authority on CTE, nor is JB. But they don't claim to be either. You set up a shot where CTE has limitations, I'm sure anyone proficient in CTE will demonstrate the shots for you.
 
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mohrt said:
dr. dave is certainly no authority on CTE, nor is JB. But they don't claim to be either. You set up a shot where CTE has limitations, I'm sure anyone proficient in CTE will demonstrate the shots for you.
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i will take this challenge on, anyone show me 5 attempts at a shot or shots and i will match it on video
 
champ2107 said:
i just found a snooker table close to my house why dont you make a video and i will make one also playing snooker and i will use a system. Im telling you this before hand because more than likely you wont have an idea im using a cte system :) i haven't played on a snooker table in maybe 20 years also, since i was a kid :)
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I don't play snooker. Nor do I need an aiming system to put a ball in a huge hole on a small pool table.

Anyway, quit changing your avatar!
 
TheThaiger said:
I don't play snooker. Nor do I need an aiming system to put a ball in a huge hole on a small pool table.
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i said i would do it on a snooker table? you tell me what game and i will play it on a snooker table and you can play it on a 9,8,7 foot table? had a lil trouble with a loud mouth on here last night, short story not worth repeating and it had to do a lil bit with my avtar also lol
 
champ2107 said:
i said i would do it on a snooker table? you tell me what game and i will play it on a snooker table and you can play it on a 9,8,7 foot table? had a lil trouble with a loud mouth on here last night, short story not worth repeating and it had to do a lil bit with my avtar also lol
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Let me get this right.
How about spot shots on the snooker table versus spot shots on a 9-footer?
 
JoeyInCali said:
Let me get this right.
How about spot shots on the snooker table versus spot shots on a 9-footer?
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i found this snooker table the other day near my house and played for 5 minutes, cte works just the same on a full sized snooker table as it does on a 9 footer as it does on a 7 footer. I have tried all sizes tables.
 
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