Ivory - Ban Fake Ivory

Type79 said:
As if the current ban were not silly enough, National Geographic is seeking to ban fake ivory.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...e-trafficking-pembient-poaching-conservation/
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For the sake of ripping people off thinking that it is real ivory, I can understand it.

For the sake of using synthetic or ivory like materials for a similar purpose (ie ferrules) I think it is absurd.

Without reading the article and looking at the picture alone, I think this has more to do with the ripping off people who are under the assumption that it is a real ivory horn.
 
Icon of Sin said:
For the sake of ripping people off thinking that it is real ivory, I can understand it.

For the sake of using synthetic or ivory like materials for a similar purpose (ie ferrules) I think it is absurd.

Without reading the article and looking at the picture alone, I think this has more to do with the ripping off people who are under the assumption that it is a real ivory horn.
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Rhino horn is not ivory....it is keratin...essentially hair.....



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fake ivory

The US fish and game and the custom agents will no longer be able to use the hot pin test to see if its real or fake ivory.

They would have to be trained to use a black light, and it might be that this new fake horn or ivory might also look so close to the real thing they cant tell the difference.

In short the US fish and Game don't know how to tell the difference with something legal but looks and smells like something that is illegal.

The US fish and Game and US Customs train their agents to use the hot pin test which is burning hair and bone have a smell different from plastics.

So they heat up a pin and stick it in what ever they think is Ivory and smell the burning fumes :eek: ....

So far I haven't seen any synthetic material that really buffs out like ivory or antler and yellows like the real stuff .

But it sounds like they have now come up with some and I would like to try some depending on its safety hazards .
 
As technology advances I really believe it will be possible to replicate any natural material. If done to perfection it would indeed be impossible to tell it from the natural material.

In other words, eventually it would be possible to replicate ivory. Not a substitute, not an alternative, but actual ivory.

Eventually....


In the mean time.....


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It's a pandora's box. Allow this and you'll have biotech labs growing tenderloin without the cow and crab legs minus the crab. Don't forget most of this stuff is meant to be ingested by imbeciles... besides the whole contributing to the slaughter and extinction of majestic species.
 
Chopdoc said:
As technology advances I really believe it will be possible to replicate any natural material. If done to perfection it would indeed be impossible to tell it from the natural material.

In other words, eventually it would be possible to replicate ivory. Not a substitute, not an alternative, but actual ivory.

Eventually....


In the mean time.....


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+1

They have been doing it with diamonds and gemstones for years.

If the demand, and the price tag, is high enough, they will find a way to replicate it.
 
Mikey Town said:
+1

They have been doing it with diamonds and gemstones for years.

If the demand, and the price tag, is high enough, they will find a way to replicate it.
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Well, Viagra and Cialis has been around for years ( or is it decades already ? ) and them loonies down somewhere still like their ivory shake.
Gotta be the stupidest reason for killing elephants.
 
oldschool1478 said:
Fake ivory is like fake child porn.
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How to lose friends and alienate people.

See when I think of fake ivory vs real ivory, I would think something like the fake ivory isnt as good as the real stuff...

I hope you see how messed up your comment is.
 
Mikey Town said:
+1

They have been doing it with diamonds and gemstones for years.

If the demand, and the price tag, is high enough, they will find a way to replicate it.
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Yes they have. But that is geological/minerological. Biological is more difficult.... :wink:


But it will come.

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mortuarymike-nv said:
The US fish and game and the custom agents will no longer be able to use the hot pin test to see if its real or fake ivory.
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I am perplexed about this hot pin test. Ivory does not burn very easily at all so I do not understand how the hot pin would induce smoke. Ivory requires incredibly high temperatures (1800+ degrees) for an very long period of time and even then, the burn is usually too slow to destroy the ivory. Some level of burn from the pin would be necessary to create smoke. Of course, in the case of a pool cue, the hot pin would surely melt the finish although I don't think that smoke would produce this supposed smell of burning ivory (which does not burn).

Reminds me of the hoax burning stockpiles of ivory...

http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2013/08/02/destroying-elephant-ivory-stockpiles-no-easy-matter/
 
CJH said:
I am perplexed about this hot pin test. Ivory does not burn very easily at all so I do not understand how the hot pin would induce smoke. Ivory requires incredibly high temperatures (1800+ degrees) for an very long period of time and even then, the burn is usually too slow to destroy the ivory. Some level of burn from the pin would be necessary to create smoke. Of course, in the case of a pool cue, the hot pin would surely melt the finish although I don't think that smoke would produce this supposed smell of burning ivory (which does not burn).

Reminds me of the hoax burning stockpiles of ivory...

http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2013/08/02/destroying-elephant-ivory-stockpiles-no-easy-matter/
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If it's plastic it will melt very easily and smell like plastic.

If it is ivory it smells like burning hair. It need not ignite to get the smell..


Yes, it damages the cue either way.


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