ivory ferrules

[fast larry]

ccb, the mother of all trash boards

ccb, the mother of all trash boards

About once a month I venture into CCB only to read one thread generally alerted by a friend that somebody is saying something about me I should be aware of. Other than that, I could give a rat’s ass what they are saying there. Why would I want to waste my time into going into bozo heaven?
They have their thing, I have mine. Alerted by AZ I did go into the ccb thread under: Ask the cue maker, it’s almost off of their front page and now at the bottom. I never saw so much bull she yit in my life, I mean stepped in friggen what, up to my ears, and my friggen eye balls are brown. All this non stop sanctimonious bull sheyet, they were ecstatic we had finally fallen down into the sewer where they have been all along. AZ has always been the premium board, the upscale board, and now we proved to the mother of all trash boards, we are now no better than them and they rejoice over that news. They are jumping up and down in the streets over there like a bunch of roos. These heathens and outer barbarians are now pontificating upon us, its enough to make a maggot puke his lunch up me boy. In one week I get out smarted by a friggen newfie which is impossible to occur and now this, I tell you, it’s all too much. I may run my get away car off the rim of the Grand Canyon like Thelma and Louise did, Geronimo. Oh, the agony of defeat.

I frankly upon reading this and understand the moron bozo mentality over there am now shocked. They are friggen right and popping 1955 Champagne Dom Perignon corks in celebration. They invaded this board and dragged it deep into the sewer where they are. They won; I can clearly see that now, there fore the celebration. It is the devils front line troops, wanting to drag every one down deep into the fire. It is so clear to me. I attack his imperial guard and he launches all of his forces against me. It is just me, against him and his army. The battle is very one sided. I am losing the battle. A little help here please.

CCB, the mother of all trash boards is now laughing their asses off at us, and Blud finally locking horns with me. When is Blud going to learn to leave me the f alone and just go sell his friggen cues? Every time he does that, he exposes himself and we both go down a notch.

Do you hear the laughter, I hope that is a wake up call to all of you to now, clean up this board and police your own board. They did post one thing that I thought was brilliant. It was the most brilliant thing ever suggested on a board to date. This person should be given a Gold medal. Somebody send him a custom cue with an Ivory ferrule on it. Blud should send his top end cue.

What to do with the bad boy who causes problems. They had the same solution that the Catholic Church has. Not to ban him out of heaven, just to ban him for a month in purgatory, where he must reside and everyone has full unlimited tee off privileges on him. After 30 days of being being beat she yeit less he may return to the main forum and then be afforded full respect. I went, bingo, that's it, that is the friggen answer, even if I'll spend most of me bloomin time in the pit, that is the answer. Other opinions on this I would solicit please. That would also means apa 7 goes in the pit first of course. It would shorten some tongues a tad I would say. Like in the pilgrim days, lock the bloody blighter in the blocks until he screams for forgiveness. It's a little Spanish or Roman but it could work.
We could call this temporary banishment being thrown into the snake pit. Take all the board aggression now trashing the board and funnel it into the snake pit. Oh she yit, this is so pure it rivals new fallen Kansas snow. Why did I not think of this, because I am a genius and I don’t want to spend 11 months of the year sitting in the snake pit getting the dog she yit kicked out of me? Oh yeah, that’s got to be it.

I am banned off the mother of all trash boards for life for speaking up and defending my family name and my records and reputation. I am not allowed on the mother of all trash boards. Ruth Welt says I am too much trouble, she does not have the time to defend me from daily attacks, and there fore they eliminate the attacked and not the attackers.
Where is the justice in this I must ask?
There is no justice in pool I am soon told. They are happy on CCB, I can’t get at them there, but they can come over to AZ and torment me with impunity. They have the best of both worlds, they come over here to read my good she yit, then kick me in the balls and run off to ccb land where I can’t pursue them. Well I can, but I made Welt a promise I would come in there no more and I have kept that promise. One should not bust a party one is not invited to. To do so is very impolite.
Somebody do me a favor and cut and paste this on the bottom of that thread. Put the entire damn thing on there, do not leave anything out.

Tateus, please send your postal address to fastlarry@bellsouth.net, for the best board idea I have ever seen you deserve an award, I shall send you 2 video tapes, plus a door poster, a $50 value to say wonderful ideal.

Tell them I said once last thing on this subject. You are all exactly right, you did tell it like it is, maybe this is catching. Yes you did drag us into the sewer with you, yes you did win. Pass me a glass of Dom, let’s drink up. If you cannot beat the bastards, then you might as well get drunk with the bastard.
Best Wishes,
May God bless and peace be with you. May the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall. VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. Latin for “I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don’t believe it, C’est La Vie. A prophet is not recognized in his own land. Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. In time, it’s all dust in the wind anyway.


Quote tateuts:
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Quote Barbara:
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Oooooooo...

And just think, BOTH of them are going to be at Valley Forge...

I can't wait.

Barbara
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Just speak softly and only when spoken to. Whatever you do, for goodness sakes don't make eye contact!
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Heh, some of you guys miss Fast Larry and you know it. You just don't want him here all the time, or in such a great excess.

So why don't we get CCB to start a trash board to complement the non-pool forum. No holds barred, except cussing maybe etc. Insults allowed to the max.

That way we could all jump over to the trash board to get a laugh and watch the others trash each other or even jump into the mud bath ourselves.

Maybe as punishment, we can ban members for a certain time period to the trash board
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"Fast Larry" Guninger The Power Source Traveling pool School. www.fastlarrypool.com

 

[billfishhead]

i thought you said goodbye f l,,,,,,,,,,,,,if ya wanna bitch about some other ppl start a thread,,,,,,,,,,this one is about ivory

 

[tom haney]

Blud, I enjoy a lot of your posts. I can't help myself
and once in a while I take a shot at you. I think
the devil makes me do it. I will try to do better.
God bless you and your family. Hondo.

Hi Hondo,
For the record, fl, said you don't need clean balls for playing pool. [ this was not an opinion, his statement was a fact according to him].I said, i begg to differ, sir....... So to me that's not attacting him, or an opinion.

[ this topic, became nasty, as most arguments do. It was history until now].
fl and i have settled this long ago. I see no need in bringing this old news up. Nothing to gain from it.

I have seen Mike Massey and several others doing trick shots with "clean balls' not dirty ones as fast uses.

I state facts, sir. This is also a fact, read when and where you like for I have no axe to grind with you or anyone, sir. I do my very best to help one and all here and in every day life.
all the best to you, hondo.
blud

 

[blud]

thanks

Blud, I enjoy a lot of your posts. I can't help myself
and once in a while I take a shot at you. I think
the devil makes me do it. I will try to do better.
God bless you and your family. Hondo.

Thank Hondo, thanks very much.
I have opened myself up for attacts for just stating my humble opinions from time to time. I do try my best to help one and all.

When I stat a fact and someone comes back with crap, I have and will speak the truth.
thanks again,sir.
blud

 

[Jon]

Thanks Jon for all that great information. Sir, I did say you have a right to mark up your product any ratio you wish. Anything up to 50 to 100% I would consider more that acceptable. If you are in this range, then you are being fair in price, sorry, I failed to take into account your labor of installation, my mistake sir.

Like I said, all I want to do now is withdraw from this debate if I may, have other fish to fry. oooohhhhhhhhhh, maybe I'll start a save the catfish campaign next. Maybe Hanoi Jane who lives close to me will kick in some cash after cleaning out Teddy. She's flush now. How about, save the snail darter. People are running over walking catfish in Florida, we can have that. We should build million dollar bridges over the turnpike so the catfish can walk over them and not be smashed by the trucks.

Jon about the cheap ass fiber ferrules I am using, yes sir they are cheap in price, but they work, so their performance is high and I sir care nothing about pretty. Ivory is pretty and shiny, lovely, performance, total crap. Ferrule, dull, performance, out standing, see red dot and 314 sales on shafts to prove that point sir. More shafts were bought from those two last year than any other, so where is your point here Jon? That alone sir kicks your argument out the door. Jon, tell me how many old farts over the hill over 50 are still playing with your ivory ferrules, give me a number.

Now tell me how many are playing with your ivory ferrules on the modern tour today, on the men’s and ladies side. Give me that number and when you get it, Jon, check mate, your ass it out the door son.

Thank you Jon for you intelligent and polite debate, that sir I appreciate from you. You have an opinion here, so do I. Each should respect the others views, even if we disagree with them. We should always, agree, to disagree, this is what my mouthpiece is always telling me.

Jon cocaine has a retail markup up of 2700 percent, which is why they bought off presidents and entire governments. Yes the CIA is dirty as she yet here, I know, it's called side funding of black ops. It's a wonder they did not burn Ronnie like the set up and burned tricky dickey. Because Ronnie gave them a green light they burned a poor colonel instead to take the fall.

I once played with Ivory ferrules like every one of my era did. Jon, we had no choice. When I went into my pool hall they handed me an ivory cue ball to play with. I had no choice then. There were no red circles back then. Yes Jon there will be people today of note who will play with things of the past. Look at Efren; he plays with an Elk Master tip, Hugh mistake. He made that mistake 25 years ago, has adjusted to it and sees no reason to change now. A talisman pig skin would play circles around that elk master but some will not move forward in time and adopt changing technology. It’s the same thing with the pros using ivory today. Some are stuck in the past and using them as examples is sort of reaching badly Jon. It’s almost embarrassing them, so I would not do that any more.

Do acquire my two video tapes, 3-2000 vol I and vol II, sir, you will see hundreds of shots all make with what you call cheap ass fiber ferrules, 20 world records were set and 50 of these shots cannot be duplicated by any man on Earth in the last 10 years. Like I said Jon, I don't care what the cost is, how ugly it is, in a woman or in a ferrule, all I seek is total performance. Give me that and I will ride it hard and long all night long, you can always put a pillow cover over its head you know. Any body wants to see those shots made with a crappie cheap ferrule go into www.fastlarrypool.com and order the two tapes, two I will sell you for $25 instead of the normal $40 just to show you guys what I have here, just drop your payment into pay pal. Jon when you see what I can do with a cue, your argument is she yit sir. The eyes don't lie. That’s two tapes for $12 bucks each, not the normal $35 ea now charged. If you won’t pay that to examine my work, then stop slamming my work.

Ray Schuler and I spent a great deal of time together. We were very close for a long time. I must always have a cue maker expert around me. Rays now gone so it’s now Bob. I need special things made for me; I can’t use every thing right off of the shelf. I do with his cue, the power piston, but when it comes to the jumps and masses, I want made what I order and what I know works.

We did a lot of experimenting on many different things and into many areas. We went through almost every wood on earth. He made custome cues in Palatine, Ill and was a cue making genius. I played with his cue from 1985 to his passing. Ray has a little respect in the European billiard community Jon. Most of my records were with his cue, not all, but many. They were done with his maple shafts, short billiard ferrule and the Bangkok birch wood I discovered and the fast shaft which is a revolutionary taper. My record shots were done with Rambo’s, Falcons F-23, Schuler’s and Meucci's power pistons red dots. I did not hang up my Rambo until 93.

I am not owned and controlled by any cue guy; I can do or say what I please. Bob right now is asking me to play with the black dot as is all his other pros and I refuse. I say, I gave up the 314 to go to the red dot, why return to a copy of the 314. You see Bob has no control over me, none. We are just very good friends and he makes me special stuff now that Ray used to do for me.

Rays teachings to me were telling me what you want and I will build it for you. Do you want comfort, pleasant hit, then that is like a car, let’s get in your town car and drive off for a soft ride. If you want total performance, should we then not get in my corvette? You can scream the tires but the ride will be rough. Cues made today are built in the middle, so they don't do any thing really well. They are a sell out. That is the main mistake you have all made.

Selling comfort and hit sells cues. I ignore this, I seek only performance. Give me totally performance; I will ride it long and hard, all night long. God pity the old people trying to sleep on the other wall of my Days Inn room. If the room is rockin, don’t come knockin in the morning. There is always a do not disturb sign on my door knob.

May God bless and peace be with you. May the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall. VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. Latin for “I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don’t believe it, C’est La Vie. A prophet is not recognized in his own land. Rack em sausage, Go play fast and loose. In time, it’s all dust in the wind anyway

Ok, tell me something Larry, why would bob meucci, who spent all this time to create the "perfect playing cue" (doesn't exsist) and then change the ferrule to a fiber ferrule just for you... or anybody, the best analogy for the Meucci ferrule i can come up with is this... it's like the Pinto, light, cheap and explodes on impact... I like an ivory ferrule, they hit/feel/play great IMHO, but i happed to like the aegis, ivorine, LBM just as much or more because you have a little more freedom... I might re-reply later, i can't think at the moment, didn't get much sleep last night, and i'm on my lunch break, so i'll be back at it later

Thanks

Jon

 

[billfishhead]

lets hear from some cue makers about ivory ferrules, after all they are the ppl putting them on and should know the different hit provided by it

 

[billfishhead]

anyone ever try deer antler for ferrules ?

 

[Joseph Cues]

anyone ever try deer antler for ferrules ?

Yes. They are ok. Not quite as hard as melamine or aegis but they work.

 

[TATE]

Larry...

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ccb, the mother of all trash boards

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"Fast Larry" Guninger The Power Source Traveling pool School. www.fastlarrypool.com

Larry,

I will say this. That last post of yours about CCB and me was about the funniest dang thing I've ever read on any board. Honest - no kidding, I laughed my asterisk off. I had no idea you could be so funny. I wish your
wonderful sense of humor instead of your temper came through more often.

Some of the people didn't think it was very nice posting this thread on CCB.

But really, why let these things get to this point? Sometimes a few clever remarks are more effective.

Chris

 

[BazookaJoe]

My friend and former teammate had an ivory ferrule on his Schon. He HATED it. He recently had it replaced with a fiber ferrule and is completely satisfied. I've heard from players around here, who use their cues every day to stay away from ivory. I've hit with ivory and personally did not like it. In my judgement, I'd rather listen to my mechanic than Edelbrock on which intake manifold to put on my car. It's expensive, you have to baby it, and many people wont even put a tip on an ivory ferrule.

This is also the first time I agree with FL. First time I've seen him innocent of wrong doing. Someone asked a question. He posted an answer and was attacked for no good reason.

$0.02

 

[fast larry]

tHANKS FOR THE SUPPORT

My friend and former teammate had an ivory ferrule on his Schon. He HATED it. He recently had it replaced with a fiber ferrule and is completely satisfied. I've heard from players around here, who use their cues every day to stay away from ivory. I've hit with ivory and personally did not like it. In my judgement, I'd rather listen to my mechanic than Edelbrock on which intake manifold to put on my car. It's expensive, you have to baby it, and many people wont even put a tip on an ivory ferrule.

This is also the first time I agree with FL. First time I've seen him innocent of wrong doing. Someone asked a question. He posted an answer and was attacked for no good reason.

$0.02

Thanks Joe, I needed that. Thank God we now have two people on this forum who have the guts to: "TELL IT LIKE IT IS'

Maybe it's catching, maybe two will become three, anybody else, batter up.

Joe look at the attackers, all were cue builders or repair cue people who were selling the inferior product for a 100 to 200% profit markup. The one that kills me the most is the one they keep saying oh the ivory in the country has been here for a long time so it's Ok no elephans were killed for it. Any ivory here, a elephant died for it to be here.

I gave good solid advice, went into this same thread twice before as was badly and visciouly attacked by Blud dealers. This is the 3rd such thread and the only way they know how to deal with me is to try and make you think I am nuts then you will not listen to me.

Thanks for your support, if I only got through to one person out of the 2000 on this board on this topic and it was you, then I did succeed and it was worth the pain of seeing these sensless attacks on me, my name, my reputation and my records.

SAVE THE ELEPHANTS, REFUSE TO USE OR BUY IVORY.

 

[fast larry]

Thanks Tate

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Larry,

I will say this. That last post of yours about CCB and me was about the funniest dang thing I've ever read on any board. Honest - no kidding, I laughed my asterisk off. I had no idea you could be so funny. I wish your
wonderful sense of humor instead of your temper came through more often.

Some of the people didn't think it was very nice posting this thread on CCB.

But really, why let these things get to this point? Sometimes a few clever remarks are more effective.

Chris

FL RESPONDS: tHANKS FOR the intelligent comments and thanks for posting this on CCB. Note you did this, I did not do this: Quote Hondo:hondo
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Re: The Golden One Responds - worth reading [re: tateuts]
03/04/04 08:10 AM (168.216.255.83) Edit Reply Quote

Alright! Fast Larry's back on CCB! Welcome back, Larry.

FL RESPONDS: No Hondo, I did not make this post. No sir, I am not back. Ruth Welt has declared me to be banned for life. She says if she let's me come back several people on the board will just keep attacking me and there will be ongoing cahos she does not have the time to deal with. Rather than clean up her board, it is easier to get rid of me. That mentality is to walk into a pool room where a fight is going on and just shoot in the head the first guy you see throw a punch. Yes that does stop the fight.

She comes to me and says you will no longer tell any ethic joke, you will now no longer tell any joke, if attacked you will no longer respond or fight back with any one or you are banned. I said, Ok, lets see, no freedom of speech, duct tape my mouth and tie my hands and I can stay. I said if somebody tells a lie about me, calls me a liar and a fraud, I will defend my family name and my reputation, I shall never remain silent under such an attack. I said, I am a half Irishman and a drunk, I will continue to publish jokes on drunk Irish people. Irish people do find them funny because they are all drunks. I said I am also half Kraut, I will publish a joke about krauts if I can ever find a funny Kraut joke.

She say's thats the rules and clunk goes the phone in my ear. I immediately posted the following, why did God invent Whiskey, answer, so the Irish could not rule the world. Bang, in 5 minutes I was banned. I sent her an email with 3 attachement, they were all non stop farts. Bingo, I am now banned for life, over a little fart. These were excellent farts too, some bugles, some trombone farts, a couple of wet ones as well. Send me an email, I'll send the farts to you for your fart review, you will agree, my fart collection is indeed 2nd to none. Who has ever been in a pool hall and has not tried to sneek out a real greasy fart and get by with it and then see everone around you begin to look for the guilty culprit. You know one of those drank a 12 pack, ate a bunch of boiled eggs and beef jerky at the bar, then had a can of bushes best baked beans for dinner fart. It just lays out there and will not go away. Did you know when one of those is coming out, if somebody lights a match behind you that your jeans will catch fire, no kidding. What a way to go.

I was now banned but I was going in and out of CCB at will. They were banning me 10 times a day and I was coming back in 10 times a day. In frustration Welt calls me saying we can't keep you out, no matter what we do, how can you keep doing this. I say because I am un bannable, you can't, trust me on this. My cpu skills are obviously far beyond what ever you got working for you. She says then please stop posting on my board, you are not welcome. I said you said the magic word, please, and I gave her my word I would no longer post there under any name or pretense.

That went down 6 months ago and I have kept my word to her. Please trust me on this, any thing or any one you suspect to be me on CCB is not. I will honor my promise the the lady of Billiards Digest and I will continue to keep it as I have to date. Sure I would like to come back on there but if the lady says not, she's the assistant editor and her word rules so I accept her decision.

Banned for life, all I did was send her a series of fart jokes after the first ban, apparently she does not have much of a sense of humor. Banned for life, the only way I should pull that sentence would be to walk into the Chicago office and strangle Panozzo at his desk. Anything less than that, 6 months is a sufficient sentence for any one. This is one tough ass broad. 6 months, I have served my time, did not bitch, did not rat, I should now be let out of the dog house.

Tate, I am a very funny guy, I love to joke around and kid, punch fun, cut up, what the hell, the world is going down the she yitter all around us, better to laugh than cry about it. Every time I try to be me, 2 or 3 people come in and turn, spin and twist it to make me look bad. That is why I have backed off the board posting and will come in now and then when asked and none of my personality will come through again. You want me to be a robot, I'll post like a robot in the future, just like Jack Webb used to say, just the facts mam, just the facts. You are not going to believe how boring I am about to become. Then I will be safe, trying to be me only gets me beat up here daily.

I am glad I was able to give you a smile and a laugh, this board is much too serious and we all need to lighten up IMHO. We are all taking this much too serious. We have forgotten how to laught at each other and with each other.
I have a standing invitation to come out and perform with Max the Wonder Dog on the Steve Harvey big time show. I may do that, thinking about it, moneys good and if I do, you will see my humor come out because he won't tee off on me, I will tee off on him. Like I said, I come out to Burbank a lot to star in prime time TV shows and when I am in town, people there should take advantage of that and book me into a lesson so I can teach them some things they can get from nobody else or in any book. My pitch on the PM to just this one guy was running down my teachings every day means you are learning nothing from me. Instead grab me when I am close by and try to learn something, that is more postive and will benefit you more than just ragging my ass off.
It was one pitch on one PM, not to everyone, but it was posted like I was doing some non stop sales pitch to everyone on the board, which I was not. I knew the guy would never book a lesson, I was not trying to sell him a lesson, just make a point with the guy. 7 gets you 11 he was a Scott Lee student and that was probably most of that attack any way.

Go into the chat board www.billiards-pool.net Open the religious section, they have a forum on Christian humor, some of the posts are very funny, so if you want a daily chuckle, check it out.

Best Wishes,
Fast Larry Guninger

 

[Jon]

Thanks Joe, I needed that. Thank God we now have two people on this forum who have the guts to: "TELL IT LIKE IT IS'

Maybe it's catching, maybe two will become three, anybody else, batter up.

Joe look at the attackers, all were cue builders or repair cue people who were selling the inferior product for a 100 to 200% profit markup. The one that kills me the most is the one they keep saying oh the ivory in the country has been here for a long time so it's Ok no elephans were killed for it. Any ivory here, a elephant died for it to be here.

I gave good solid advice, went into this same thread twice before as was badly and visciouly attacked by Blud dealers. This is the 3rd such thread and the only way they know how to deal with me is to try and make you think I am nuts then you will not listen to me.

Thanks for your support, if I only got through to one person out of the 2000 on this board on this topic and it was you, then I did succeed and it was worth the pain of seeing these sensless attacks on me, my name, my reputation and my records.

SAVE THE ELEPHANTS, REFUSE TO USE OR BUY IVORY.

I wonder, has anybody even thought about breeding elephants for the ivory, like cows for leather and beef... and oh come on... save the elephant... name one thing the elephants have done for us

Thanks

Jon

And I do not like being the "one that kills you the most" if you would open your mind, and think about it, elephants were becoming endangered, so a law was passed banning the importation of ivory, so the world couldn't blame the US for the poaching of elephants. Yes, elephants died for the ivory that is in/on cues now, but what we use now, has no effect on the elephant population as of now, if you have all of this proof that elephant ivory is being sold here from recently poached elephants, why do you waste your time here, go to the feds, and really make a difference. So read what is posted, not what you think was posted.

I have nothing against you Larry, but I can see why you are always being attacked, everywhere you go. You don't really like to debate a subject, you want to argue that you are right, because your way works for you, but if somebody is doing it another (their) way, to you, they are wrong, and they are a bozo that can't run 3 friggen balls. We are a lot alike, I’m the same way on some things, but only when people could get a better result, if they would just listen and open their mind to what I am trying to tell them. Try this, if someone asks a question, answer it, stating it is your way to do it, try it, if you don't like it, forget you said it. Try that, and you won't get in that many shit-storms...

 

[fast larry]

I wonder, has anybody even thought about breeding elephants for the ivory, like cows for leather and beef... and oh come on... save the elephant... name one thing the elephants have done for us

Thanks

Jon

And I do not like being the "one that kills you the most" if you would open your mind, and think about it, elephants were becoming endangered, so a law was passed banning the importation of ivory, so the world couldn't blame the US for the poaching of elephants. Yes, elephants died for the ivory that is in/on cues now, but what we use now, has no effect on the elephant population as of now, if you have all of this proof that elephant ivory is being sold here from recently poached elephants, why do you waste your time here, go to the feds, and really make a difference. So read what is posted, not what you think was posted.

I have nothing against you Larry, but I can see why you are always being attacked, everywhere you go. You don't really like to debate a subject, you want to argue that you are right, because your way works for you, but if somebody is doing it another (their) way, to you, they are wrong, and they are a bozo that can't run 3 friggen balls. We are a lot alike, I’m the same way on some things, but only when people could get a better result, if they would just listen and open their mind to what I am trying to tell them. Try this, if someone asks a question, answer it, stating it is your way to do it, try it, if you don't like it, forget you said it. Try that, and you won't get in that many shit-storms...

FL REPONDS, SURE, HOW ABOUT THIS ONE, DO NOT BUY IVORY, DO NOT ALLOW IVORY ON YOUR FERRULE AND INLAYS, DO NOT BUY IVORY FROM A MERCANT OF DEATH. ANY MERCHANT SELLING IVORY IS SELLING A PRODUCT THIS ANIMAL HAD TO DIE FOR, THERE FOR THAT MERCHANT IS SELLING DEATH. Any Ivory you buy, an elephant was shot in the head for it to go on your cue. When you display that cue and its ivory, you display death, a dead product, a animal product, its tooth. Why don't you wear a coon skin cap with a tail when you go out to play as well, since you guys care nothing about animals and their right to live. If you all stop buying ivory, there will be no demand, those who have it on hand will throw it away, those killing elephants will stop because there is no profit in it.

Raise elephants to kill them and harvest the ivory, did you really say that, really? That is so stupid. How about we raise some humans, feed them to just go shoot them in the head, hack their teeth out with machettes and make ferrules and inlays from their teeth instead. We are almost out of elephants, The world wide number is now under a half million.


But we have a couple of billion humans on this planet we don't need right now. Let's harvest them instead, how about that idea. You want to donate one of your kids? Maybe yo mama, she's old, why can't we havest her teeth when she kicks off. You see when this comes home, close to you, you feel much different about this. Just trying for a shock point there.

Why do we have to kill anything when there are plastic substitues that look so much like ivory you cant tell them aprart from it in a cue. Fiber ferrules totally out perform an ivory ferrule so there should not be any more ivory used. There no longer is that need. We don't used Ivory cue balls because there are better plastic Phenolic products we are now using. The same exact thing now exists in the ferrules. Why, why do you guys continue to push Ivory and defend it so strongly, why, because you guys make money on this, your own profit, your own greed, your own lack of concern for innocent animals, but that is how any merchant of death is, they only want the money, f the elephants. You boys just will not leave me alone on this, will you. Go push and sell your product of death, fight with somebody else over your moral and ethics. You some day have to answer to St Peter when you try and get the gate to heaven to open. You have the problem, I do not have this problem, I have a $700 custom Schuler cue I play with, I told Ray, no ivory ferrule, no inlays, just make me a cue that plays and makes balls. Ivory does not pot balls.

Try raising a couple of elephants in your back yard or on a farm, they go where they want to go, through any fence, into fields the through your crops, if the people of Africa who live around them had there way every single one of them would be dead now. Elephants and humans do not live well side by side. Why do you not make ferrules out of cow bone, or your inlays out of them, since we are going to shoot millions of cows in the head every year any way so you can get fat eating your big macs.

 

[Jon]

FL REPONDS, SURE, HOW ABOUT THIS ONE, DO NOT BUY IVORY, DO NOT ALLOW IVORY ON YOUR FERRULE AND INLAYS, DO NOT BUY IVORY FROM A MERCANT OF DEATH. ANY MERCHANT SELLING IVORY IS SELLING A PRODUCT THIS ANIMAL HAD TO DIE FOR, THERE FOR THAT MERCHANT IS SELLING DEATH. If you all stop buying ivory, there will be no demand, those who have it on hand will throw it away, those killing elephants will stop because there is no profit in it.

Raise elephants to kill them and harvest the ivory, did you really say that, really? That is so stupid. How about we raise some humans, feed them to just go shoot them in the head, hack their teeth out with machettes and make ferrules and inlays from their teeth instead. We are almost out of elephants, be we have a couple of billion humans on this planet we don't need right now. Why do we have to kill anything when there are plastic substitues that look so much like ivory you cant tell them aprart from it in a cue. Fiber ferrules totally out perform an ivory ferrule so there should not be any more used. Why, because you guys make money on this, your own profit, your own greed, your own lack of concern for innocent animals, but that is how any merchant of death is, they only want the money, f the elephants.

Maybe you didn't hear me the first time... go back and re-read the bottom of my post, or have somebody read it to you... and the first part of the post... It was a joke (breeding elephants), why is it that you have this problem with people having a personal preference? And I don't know if you really know what you are talking about, when you say fiber ferrules. Fiber ferrules are what comes on a house cue, they expand and contract way too much, they hold more chalk than an Elk Master, and are overall junk. Maybe you mean Implex or whatever Meucci uses.

And another thing, it doesn't matter if it LOOKS like ivory, it's just not the same thing, I could have bought a Volkswagen that had a Kit on it to make it look like a RR silver Ghost, yeah, it may have looked like one, but it just wasn't right. I don't have an ivory ferrule on any of my cues at the moment, but I will as soon as I finish the butt I’m working on, I’ll have one shaft with ivory, and another with Micarta (laminate paper, with an ivory color) and see which one I like best, seeing as I haven't played with an ivory ferrule in quite a while.

And really... what has an elephant ever done for you??? Did one give you a bath??? Offer you a peanut??? Like I said, if you want something done about it, quite bitching to people who don't want to hear about it, and tell it to the feds, if you have all this proof that elephant ivory being harvested now, is being sold in the US... And mail me a Transcript of the Report... I'd like to see it...

And yes... I Apologized for calling you a bad name, i am truly sorry for my horrid actions.

Thanks

Jon

 

[blud]

ivory

FL REPONDS, SURE, HOW ABOUT THIS ONE, DO NOT BUY IVORY, DO NOT ALLOW IVORY ON YOUR FERRULE AND INLAYS, DO NOT BUY IVORY FROM A MERCANT OF DEATH. ANY MERCHANT SELLING IVORY IS SELLING A PRODUCT THIS ANIMAL HAD TO DIE FOR, THERE FOR THAT MERCHANT IS SELLING DEATH. If you all stop buying ivory, there will be no demand, those who have it on hand will throw it away, those killing elephants will stop because there is no profit in it.

Raise elephants to kill them and harvest the ivory, did you really say that, really? That is so stupid. How about we raise some humans, feed them to just go shoot them in the head, hack their teeth out with machettes and make ferrules and inlays from their teeth instead. We are almost out of elephants, be we have a couple of billion humans on this planet we don't need right now. Why do we have to kill anything when there are plastic substitues that look so much like ivory you cant tell them aprart from it in a cue. Fiber ferrules totally out perform an ivory ferrule so there should not be any more used. Why, because you guys make money on this, your own profit, your own greed, your own lack of concern for innocent animals, but that is how any merchant of death is, they only want the money, f the elephants.

Hi Fast,

FOR THE RECORD,

Let us make one thing clear about this ivory topic and others that you have post on.

You have a real bad habit of calling me and others,bozoo, stupid, and or dumb.

Larry my friend, you can disagree all you want. That's fine.
However when anyone disagrees with you, this does not give you the right to call any of us names.

Just treat those who post with respect, if you can.

I made the statement that you were not a cue maker. "Your not". I should of worded my statement differantly. Sorry, about that.

Larry,[Cuemakers have there own opinions about the products they use, me included], and you have no right to tell us what we should or should not use.........


You do have the right to stae how you feel about products.
You can use whatever you want as a ferrule, but if I or anyone else likes ivory for whatever reason, this gives you no right to call any of us names.

You may not like the preformance of ivory, so be it. That does not mean everyone else should do what "fast" does.....You have your opinion, and the rest of the world has there's. You should state your opinion, and leave it at that. Just state your case, and leave the name calling out, I think by doing that, your opinion will have more meaning.

The ivory i use, is legal tender according to our goverment.
Next, let us stop cutting down maple trees, use no more leather tips from cows or what ever and make no more linen, and or what ever. Another words, go to the extreme. For your next trip to Asia or where ever, swim.........or walk.... All that requires to fly or drive or whatever, has cauced the death of a living thing...

god bless all
blud
PS, not wanting to start a fuss, but someone had to ask you to post as a gentelman.....

 

[Jon]

ok, you edited your post while i was replying, so here is another for you.

first off, ship me some elephants, and they will stay in my back yard, all you have to do is dig a "moat" (if you will) approx. 1 yard wide, and about 2 yards deep, if their trunk will not touch the bottom, they will not try to cross... and just drop a plank across to get them in there... it's not that hard...

And now you have went and hurt my feelings with the "since we are going to shoot millions of cows in the head every year any way so you can get fat eating your big macs." first off, i don't eat "Big Macs", or anything else from McDonalds, that shit will kill ya, my diet consists of mainly chicken, with rice, some cheeses, and diet Pepsi (or diet Dr. Pepper, and every now and then, some coffee, with half/half cream and sugar.) I don't eat much beef, used to, but not now. And as to why that hurt my feelings, i'm still a big guy, but i used to weigh close to 300 lbs, and now i'm down to 225 lbs, just by switching to diet drinks and chicken, and eating less and shrinking my stomach (not surgery... just don't eat much for a week or two, then you can't hold much ) so before you make comments like that... think, and know what you are talking about...
Thanks

Jon

 

[Troy]

This is NOT an attack !!!!!

By your logic Larry, you must be a vegetarian and do NOT wear any leather clothing items -- shoes, coats/jackets, hats, belts, etc. Those animals also all died for human use. You also must never use any medicinal products derived from animal products or animal research.

Stopping the use of pre-banned ivory will NOT bring one elephant back to life. That piece of sadness is history. If there's any doubt about the origin of the piece of ivory in question, don't buy it..... simple.

I am not a big advocate of ivory personally, but if a customer wants an ivory ferrule I know where to obtain it at a reasonable price. I must factor in my labor and cost of material when I quote a price. If I split a ferrule during installation, I must bear the extra cost. That's the cost of doing business and must also be factored into the price. That holds true be it an ivory ferrule or a 50¢ fiber ferrule.

By the way, human teeth are not suitable for ferrules, way too small..... Also, cow bone is way too soft for ferrules.

Troy

 

[fast larry]

This is NOT an attack !!!!!

By your logic Larry, you must be a vegetarian and do NOT wear any leather clothing items -- shoes, coats/jackets, hats, belts, etc. Those animals also all died for human use. You also must never use any medicinal products derived from animal products or animal research.

Stopping the use of pre-banned ivory will NOT bring one elephant back to life. That piece of sadness is history. If there's any doubt about the origin of the piece of ivory in question, don't buy it..... simple.

I am not a big advocate of ivory personally, but if a customer wants an ivory ferrule I know where to obtain it at a reasonable price. I must factor in my labor and cost of material when I quote a price. If I split a ferrule during installation, I must bear the extra cost. That's the cost of doing business and must also be factored into the price. That holds true be it an ivory ferrule or a 50¢ fiber ferrule.

By the way, human teeth are not suitable for ferrules, way too small..... Also, cow bone is way too soft for ferrules.

Troy

FL RESPONDS, I HAVE SAID TWO OF MY 3 MEALS ARE VEGETARIAN, but I like a good T bone just like most real men do. We can do this, go out to Jackson hole during the winter season, ride up on pick up trucks with ak47's and slaughter the entire elk herd, then we can have plenty of Ivory to use. We can pay the canadians to slaughter all of the artic bull walruses for their ivory as well. When we run out of elk, we can kill off every last mule deer out west, you see there are other sources of ivory if you must kill for ivory. There were once millions of buffalo, one herd crossed a rairoad tracks and held the train up for 24 hrs. We killed off all of them but 224 in the 1880's. The herd is back up to a million. We killed them off once, so lets go do it again, slaughter the buffalo instead, they have nice white horns, would make great ferrules, nice and hard. Since they are now in fenced in ranches, we could kill them all with ak47's in a couple of days. My point you ignored, is why, why kill for ivory?

Look I am off this thread because Jon just took it into the sewer, this is no longer a debate, but an attack on me. Thank you Troy for your civilized response to me. Troy my point is don't use ivory because it causes elephants to be killed. People do not eat elephant, have you ever saw it on a menue. When the natives run up and shoot an elephant in the head and hack out his tooth, that is what a tusk is technically called, his tooth, which is what it is, the entire carcuss is allowed to rot, nobody wants the meat but the vultures who descent upon it. The smell in the tripical heat will gross you out a mile away. Usually the pochers run up into a herd and kill the herd. Then it's even worse. The bull tries in vane to protect his wife and children but sees them killed in front of him. All so you can have a piece of his dead tooth on your cue. I find that macaab and uncivilized Troy. There is no defense to this, why do you people even try to mount one, just go run and hide in shame and this topic will go away and it will be back to business as usual for you all.

 

[fast larry]

ok, you edited your post while i was replying, so here is another for you.

first off, ship me some elephants, and they will stay in my back yard, all you have to do is dig a "moat" (if you will) approx. 1 yard wide, and about 2 yards deep, if their trunk will not touch the bottom, they will not try to cross... and just drop a plank across to get them in there... it's not that hard...

And now you have went and hurt my feelings with the "since we are going to shoot millions of cows in the head every year any way so you can get fat eating your big macs." first off, i don't eat "Big Macs", or anything else from McDonalds, that shit will kill ya, my diet consists of mainly chicken, with rice, some cheeses, and diet Pepsi (or diet Dr. Pepper, and every now and then, some coffee, with half/half cream and sugar.) I don't eat much beef, used to, but not now. And as to why that hurt my feelings, i'm still a big guy, but i used to weigh close to 300 lbs, and now i'm down to 225 lbs, just by switching to diet drinks and chicken, and eating less and shrinking my stomach (not surgery... just don't eat much for a week or two, then you can't hold much ) so before you make comments like that... think, and know what you are talking about...
Thanks

Jon

FL RESPONDS, JON, IF EVERY TIME you hear something you dont like and you respond with a violent response cursing and in anger, you ain't gonna make 50, your brain is going to blow up on your son. You know the movie, I just saw it, anger management, I feel like adam sandler who just got tossed into that anger management class, that class now being the 6 or 8 who rag me on this board and I am going, what am I doing here, I don't belong here. This is a very funny movie, do rent it and enjoy it.

Glad to hear you found the secret to weight loss, eat the right stuff, eat half what you were eating, exercise, weight comes off. Congratulations. What did an elephant ever do for me. What did an elk or a walrus ever do for you Jon, or a racoon, or a field mouse. They all have a right to live Jon. The elephant is the largest animal left on earth. It should be protected just for that reason alone.

To answer you question what did an elephant ever do for you, Jon, do not lie to me, you never went to a circus when you were a kid? Jon, as a kid, you never went to a zoo, saw your first elephant and gazen upon this magnificent beast in total wonder and amazement. That is what he did for you Jon, that sir is your answer.

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